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Subject:    Re: [Ocfs2-users] DMesg error on startup ...
From:       "Alexei_Roudnev" <Alexei_Roudnev () exigengroup ! com>
Date:       2006-12-08 7:59:15
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It dont work - even when interface reports that port is up, switch still keeps it \
blocked (if it is not in fast mode). The only _redundant_ method is to ping default \
router, OR to use fast-stp mode (which is right method) OR to set up 40 seconds \
delay.

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Eckenfels. Bernd
  To: ocfs2-users@oss.oracle.com
  Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 3:14 PM
  Subject: RE: [Ocfs2-users] DMesg error on startup ...


  maybe you could do a while loop with checking "mii-diag -s" which will return exit \
code 2 if link level heartbeat is not yet established. I would raise an ubuntu bug on \
that.

  And, ocfs2 could have a sencond initial heartbeat/retry timeout, since it has not \
joined the cluster yet, no need to panic early.

  Gruss
  Bernd



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[mailto:ocfs2-users-bounces@oss.oracle.com] On Behalf Of Alexei_Roudnev  Sent: \
Thursday, December 07, 2006 11:00 PM  To: Yuval Baruch
  Cc: Sunil Mushran; ocfs2-users@oss.oracle.com; nir.grava@yahoo.co.uk
  Subject: Re: [Ocfs2-users] DMesg error on startup ...


  Ok, it is not about 'ended'.

  What happen, more likely:

  - Linux runs network service. It enables interfaces (btw, some interfaces comes by \
Hot PlugIn daemon after in, asyncronously)
  - ifconfig reports interface UP. In reality, ethernet is in spanning-tree \
negotiation mode (so it cant send/receive packets next 30 seconds)
  - network service exists with 0 return code (because it did everything). So system \
                proceed with next service(s)
  - it starts o2cb in 2 - 5 seconds after it.
  - so, next 20 - 30 seconds o2cb cant communicate (because switch did not finish \
spanning tree negotiation yet - it have 30 or 40 second shold time)
  and so  it fail.
  - when you run it in the very end, it can work.

  So,
  (1) fix switch config
  OR
  (2) add 'wait when ping will work' into the network script (or better add one more \
service which do it)  OR
  (3) add sleep 40 into the o2cb

  No one oif these methods is not bypass.

  For 'order', see skeleton file in /etc/init.d . But order is corerct out of the box \
(at leat, relating to the network - it is not correct if you use iSCSI for example).



  ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Yuval Baruch
    To: Alexei_Roudnev
    Cc: Sunil Mushran ; ocfs2-users@oss.oracle.com ; nir.grava@yahoo.co.uk
    Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 1:05 PM
    Subject: Re: [Ocfs2-users] DMesg error on startup ...


    thanks for you offer, but this like the addition of "mount -a" in the rc.local \
are ways to bypass the problem.  Is there a way to prevent a init service with lower \
preference to start before the init service with higher prefernce ended? like \
s25ocfs2 will start only after s24o2cb will end ...


    On 12/7/06, Alexei_Roudnev <Alexei_Roudnev@exigengroup.com> wrote:
      Add 'sleep 20' into the beginning of ocfs2 start sequence?

      Btw, check that your network ports are in fast-spanning-tree mode (don't wait \
30 seconds when connected). On the Ethernet switch.



        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: Yuval Baruch
        To: Sunil Mushran
        Cc: ocfs2-users@oss.oracle.com ; nir.grava@yahoo.co.uk
        Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 7:43 AM
        Subject: Re: [Ocfs2-users] DMesg error on startup ...


        I wasn't exact about the previous mail.
        The real problem is that o2cb does not complete his startup before the ocfs2 \
start his.  the order is as you mentioned s24o2cb -> s25ocfs2.
        The problem is as I wrote before: some of te FS are mounted and other \
doesn't, it depends on how fast the o2cb starts.
        So is there any way fixing this problem ( other than adding " mount -a" to \
the rc.local ) ?


        On 12/7/06, Yuval Baruch <yuval.baruch@gmail.com > wrote:
          Hi,
          I am encountring with the same problem, I double checked and the startup \
order is as u mentioned, i.e. S10network -> S24o2cb, but still some ocfs2 FS tries \
                (and failes) to mount before the network comes up.
          Other FS which tries to mount after the network comes up succeed, the FS \
which succeed to mount change from boot to boot ( depends on how long it takes to the \
                network to comes up ).
          Is there any way to resolve this problem other then adding "mount -a" to \
the rc.local ?

          10x


          On 11/7/06, Sunil Mushran <Sunil.Mushran@oracle.com > wrote:
            The startup order should be... ==> network, o2cb, ocfs2.

            Sébastien CRAMATTE wrote:
            > Hi
            >
            > When my system boot I've got this error in dmesg :
            >
            > mount.ocfs2: Unable to access cluster service Cannot initialize cluster
            >
            > ----------
            > Mounting local filesystems...
            > kjournald starting.  Commit interval 5 seconds
            > EXT3 FS on hda2, internal journal
            > EXT3-fs: mounted filesystem with ordered data mode.
            > kjournald starting.  Commit interval 5 seconds
            > EXT3 FS on hda3, internal journal
            > EXT3-fs: mounted filesystem with ordered data mode.
            > mount.ocfs2: Unable to access cluster service Cannot initialize cluster
            > /dev/hda2 on /home type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro)
            > /dev/hda3 on /var type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro)
            > Cleaning /tmp /var/run /var/lock.
            > Setting up networking...done.
            > Setting up IP spoofing protection: rp_filter.
            > Configuring network interfaces...Set tx off on eth0 [OK]
            > Set tx off on eth1 [OK]
            > done.
            > --------
            >
            > I've got this line in my /etc/fstab
            >
            > /dev/drbd0      /cluster        ocfs2   _netdev,datavolume,nointr
            > 0   0
            >
            > So it's logical that try to mount it ...  I've tried to put  "noauto"
            > parameter and efectively I haven't got anymore the error  but the FS is
            > not mounted automatically by  ocfs2  rc.d script ...
            > How can I avoid this error  on bootup ?
            >
            > Regards
            >
            >
            >
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<DIV><FONT size=2>It dont work - even when interface reports that port is up, 
switch still keeps it blocked (if it is not in fast mode). The only _redundant_ 
method is to ping default router, OR to use fast-stp mode (which is right 
method) OR to set up 40 seconds delay.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE 
style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 \
2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message \
----- </DIV>  <DIV 
  style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> 
  <A title=B.Eckenfels@seeburger.de 
  href="mailto:B.Eckenfels@seeburger.de">Eckenfels. Bernd</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=ocfs2-users@oss.oracle.com 
  href="mailto:ocfs2-users@oss.oracle.com">ocfs2-users@oss.oracle.com</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, December 07, 2006 3:14 
  PM</DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [Ocfs2-users] DMesg error on 
  startup ...</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=830071223-07122006><FONT face=Arial 
  color=#0000ff size=2>maybe you could do a while loop with checking "mii-diag 
  -s" which will return exit code 2 if link level heartbeat is not yet 
  established. I would raise an ubuntu bug on that.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=830071223-07122006><FONT face=Arial 
  color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=830071223-07122006><FONT face=Arial 
  color=#0000ff size=2>And, ocfs2 could have a sencond initial heartbeat/retry 
  timeout, since it has not joined the cluster yet, no need to panic 
  early.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=830071223-07122006><FONT face=Arial 
  color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=830071223-07122006><FONT face=Arial 
  color=#0000ff size=2>Gruss</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=830071223-07122006><FONT face=Arial 
  color=#0000ff size=2>Bernd</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
  <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader lang=de dir=ltr align=left>
  <HR tabIndex=-1>
  <FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> <A 
  href="mailto:ocfs2-users-bounces@oss.oracle.com">ocfs2-users-bounces@oss.oracle.com</A> \
  [mailto:ocfs2-users-bounces@oss.oracle.com] <B>On Behalf Of 
  </B>Alexei_Roudnev<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, December 07, 2006 11:00 
  PM<BR><B>To:</B> Yuval Baruch<BR><B>Cc:</B> Sunil Mushran; 
  ocfs2-users@oss.oracle.com; nir.grava@yahoo.co.uk<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: 
  [Ocfs2-users] DMesg error on startup ...<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
  <DIV></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Ok, it is not about 'ended'.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>What happen, more likely:</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>- Linux runs network service. It enables 
  interfaces (btw, some interfaces comes by Hot PlugIn daemon after in, 
  asyncronously)</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>- ifconfig reports interface UP. In reality, 
  ethernet is in spanning-tree negotiation mode (so it cant send/receive packets 
  next 30 seconds)</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>- network service exists with 0 return code 
  (because it did everything). So system proceed with next 
  service(s)</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>- it starts o2cb in 2 - 5 seconds after 
  it.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>- so, next 20 - 30 seconds o2cb cant communicate 
  (because switch did not finish spanning tree negotiation yet - it have 30 or 
  40 second shold time)</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>and so&nbsp; it fail.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>- when you run it in the very end, it can 
  work.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>So, </FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>(1) fix switch config</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>OR</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>(2) add 'wait when ping will work' into the 
  network script (or better add one more service which do it)</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>OR</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>(3) add sleep 40 into the o2cb </FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>No one oif these methods is not 
  bypass.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>For 'order', see skeleton file in /etc/init.d . 
  But order is corerct out of the box (at leat, relating to the network - it is 
  not correct if you use iSCSI for example).</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
  <BLOCKQUOTE 
  style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: \
#000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">  <DIV 
    style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> 
    <A title=yuval.baruch@gmail.com href="mailto:yuval.baruch@gmail.com">Yuval 
    Baruch</A> </DIV>
    <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A 
    title=Alexei_Roudnev@exigengroup.com 
    href="mailto:Alexei_Roudnev@exigengroup.com">Alexei_Roudnev</A> </DIV>
    <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=Sunil.Mushran@oracle.com 
    href="mailto:Sunil.Mushran@oracle.com">Sunil Mushran</A> ; <A 
    title=ocfs2-users@oss.oracle.com 
    href="mailto:ocfs2-users@oss.oracle.com">ocfs2-users@oss.oracle.com</A> ; <A 
    title=nir.grava@yahoo.co.uk 
    href="mailto:nir.grava@yahoo.co.uk">nir.grava@yahoo.co.uk</A> </DIV>
    <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, December 07, 2006 1:05 
    PM</DIV>
    <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Ocfs2-users] DMesg error 
    on startup ...</DIV>
    <DIV><BR></DIV>
    <DIV>thanks for you offer, but this like the addition of "mount -a" in the 
    rc.local are ways to bypass the problem.</DIV>
    <DIV>Is there a way to prevent a init service with lower preference to start 
    before the init service with higher prefernce ended? like s25ocfs2 will 
    start only after s24o2cb will end ...<BR><BR>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><SPAN class=gmail_quote>On 12/7/06, <B 
    class=gmail_sendername>Alexei_Roudnev</B> &lt;<A 
    href="mailto:Alexei_Roudnev@exigengroup.com">Alexei_Roudnev@exigengroup.com</A>&gt; \
  wrote:</SPAN> 
    <BLOCKQUOTE class=gmail_quote 
    style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px \
solid">  <DIV bgcolor="#ffffff">
      <DIV><FONT size=2>Add 'sleep 20'&nbsp;into the beginning of ocfs2 start 
      sequence?</FONT></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV><FONT size=2>Btw, check that your network ports are in 
      fast-spanning-tree mode (don't wait 30 seconds when connected). On the 
      Ethernet switch. </FONT></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <BLOCKQUOTE 
      style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: \
#000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">  <DIV><SPAN class=e id=q_10f5dfd84763bbbd_1>
        <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
        <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial"><B>From:</B> <A 
        title=yuval.baruch@gmail.com 
        onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" 
        href="mailto:yuval.baruch@gmail.com" target=_blank>Yuval Baruch</A> 
        </DIV>
        <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A 
        title=Sunil.Mushran@oracle.com 
        onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" 
        href="mailto:Sunil.Mushran@oracle.com" target=_blank>Sunil Mushran</A> 
        </DIV>
        <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A 
        title=ocfs2-users@oss.oracle.com 
        onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" 
        href="mailto:ocfs2-users@oss.oracle.com" 
        target=_blank>ocfs2-users@oss.oracle.com</A> ; <A 
        title=nir.grava@yahoo.co.uk 
        onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" 
        href="mailto:nir.grava@yahoo.co.uk" 
        target=_blank>nir.grava@yahoo.co.uk</A> </DIV>
        <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, December 07, 2006 
        7:43 AM</DIV>
        <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Ocfs2-users] DMesg 
        error on startup ...</DIV>
        <DIV><BR>&nbsp;</DIV>
        <DIV>I wasn't exact about the previous mail.</DIV>
        <DIV>The real problem is that o2cb does not complete his startup before 
        the ocfs2 start his.</DIV>
        <DIV>the order is as you mentioned s24o2cb -&gt; s25ocfs2.</DIV>
        <DIV>The problem is as I wrote before: some of te FS are mounted and 
        other doesn't, it depends on how fast the o2cb starts.</DIV>
        <DIV>So is there any way fixing this problem ( other than adding " mount 
        -a" to the rc.local ) ?&nbsp;<BR><BR>&nbsp;</DIV>
        <DIV><SPAN class=gmail_quote>On 12/7/06, <B class=gmail_sendername>Yuval 
        Baruch</B> &lt;<A onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" 
        href="mailto:yuval.baruch@gmail.com" 
        target=_blank>yuval.baruch@gmail.com </A>&gt; wrote:</SPAN> 
        <BLOCKQUOTE class=gmail_quote 
        style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px \
solid">  <DIV>Hi,</DIV>
          <DIV>I am encountring with the same problem, I double checked and the 
          startup order is as u mentioned, i.e. S10network -&gt; S24o2cb, but 
          still some ocfs2 FS tries (and failes)&nbsp;to mount before the 
          network comes up.</DIV>
          <DIV>Other FS which tries to mount after the network comes up succeed, 
          the FS which succeed to mount change from boot to boot ( depends on 
          how long it takes to the network to comes up ).</DIV>
          <DIV>Is there any way to resolve this problem other then adding "mount 
          -a" to the rc.local ?</DIV>
          <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
          <DIV>10x<BR><BR>&nbsp;</DIV>
          <DIV><SPAN>
          <DIV><SPAN class=gmail_quote>On 11/7/06, <B 
          class=gmail_sendername>Sunil Mushran</B> &lt;<A 
          onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" 
          href="mailto:Sunil.Mushran@oracle.com" 
          target=_blank>Sunil.Mushran@oracle.com </A>&gt; wrote:</SPAN> 
          <BLOCKQUOTE class=gmail_quote 
          style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px \
solid">The   startup order should be... ==&gt; network, o2cb, 
            ocfs2.<BR><BR>Sébastien CRAMATTE wrote:<BR>&gt; Hi<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; 
            When my system boot I've got this error in dmesg :<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; 
            mount.ocfs2: Unable to access cluster service Cannot initialize 
            cluster<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; ----------<BR>&gt; Mounting local 
            filesystems...<BR>&gt; kjournald starting.&nbsp;&nbsp;Commit 
            interval 5 seconds <BR>&gt; EXT3 FS on hda2, internal 
            journal<BR>&gt; EXT3-fs: mounted filesystem with ordered data 
            mode.<BR>&gt; kjournald starting.&nbsp;&nbsp;Commit interval 5 
            seconds<BR>&gt; EXT3 FS on hda3, internal journal<BR>&gt; EXT3-fs: 
            mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. <BR>&gt; mount.ocfs2: 
            Unable to access cluster service Cannot initialize cluster<BR>&gt; 
            /dev/hda2 on /home type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro)<BR>&gt; 
            /dev/hda3 on /var type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro)<BR>&gt; Cleaning 
            /tmp /var/run /var/lock. <BR>&gt; Setting up 
            networking...done.<BR>&gt; Setting up IP spoofing protection: 
            rp_filter.<BR>&gt; Configuring network interfaces...Set tx off on 
            eth0 [OK]<BR>&gt; Set tx off on eth1 [OK]<BR>&gt; done.<BR>&gt; 
            --------<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; I've got this line in my 
            /etc/fstab<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; 
            /dev/drbd0&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;/cluster&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;ocfs2&nbsp;&nbsp; \
                
            _netdev,datavolume,nointr<BR>&gt; 0&nbsp;&nbsp; 0<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; So 
            it's logical that try to mount it ...&nbsp;&nbsp;I've tried to 
            put&nbsp;&nbsp;"noauto" <BR>&gt; parameter and efectively I haven't 
            got anymore the error&nbsp;&nbsp;but the FS is<BR>&gt; not mounted 
            automatically by&nbsp;&nbsp;ocfs2&nbsp;&nbsp;rc.d script ...<BR>&gt; 
            How can I avoid this error&nbsp;&nbsp;on bootup ?<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; 
            Regards<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; 
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