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Topics in this special issue:
1. =?ISO-8859-8?B?4fLw6envOiBSZTogQUQgdnMuIGVEaXIg? \
=?ISO-8859-8?B?LSBQYXJ0IDI=? 2. DNSDHCP console and XP (3) 3. DHCP Console - some \
solutions 4. Auto logout feature? (2)
5. CIFS and printers
6. Mapping in Win2K (2)
7. iFolder client on NT does not insert files
8. Question on W2k Workstations & Novell Acct Mgt. (3)
9. NetWare 6 MLA/CLA licensing
10. Client for Microsoft Networks - do you need it? (4)
11. Another DHCP question (2)
12. ADDING A NEW DRIVE
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Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 07:26:43 +0300
From: Nanu Calmanovitz <Nanu@KALMANOVITZ.CO.IL>
Subject: =?ISO-8859-8?B?4fLw6envOiBSZTogQUQgdnMuIGVEaXIg? \
=?ISO-8859-8?B?LSBQYXJ0IDI=? On W2K:
1. the "security isn't part of the AD, in eDIR it is.
2. you can't manage almost all using only the interface to AD.
3. Less objects
4. is only 1-2 years on the market....eDIR is 7-8 years.
Nanu
> > > james.taylor@EASTCOBBGROUP.COM 28/08/02 07:42PM >>>
Unless the decision is whether to rip & replace the current environment
to support eDirectory vs. AD, there shouldn't be an argument. Let them
continue using AD to manage their platform.
eDirectory can still be the default enterprise directory in your
environment without causing the AD/W2K folks to change anything, other
than adding the connectors.
You can't go system-wide with AD without replacing every non-w2k or
later pc and server with an AD aware OS.
You can implement eDirectory without having to do much more than update
NDS directories and add connectors or NAM.
If they want to continue to manage their protion of the network with AD
and lose access to the additional capability of eDirectory, their users
will eventually fall behind in capability as compared to the parts of
the network that are fully utilizing eDirectory.
If the argument is to replace all of the NOS with W2K to support AD all
over, then somebody's fudging numbers, even if you include CAL included
with the w2k ws's.
But as was prviously stated, you need to look at your needs and see how
they are met with the different models. I suspect the best result will
be a heterogeneous environment, which AD doesn't support.
-jt
James Taylor
The East Cobb Group, Inc.
Voice - 678-560-9702
Fax - 678-697-9421
james.taylor@eastcobbgroup.com
http://www.eastcobbgroup.com
> > > rmoletti@OPS.ORG 08/28/02 05:32AM >>>
I need more info on this point. As you may recall, out district has
embarked on a 'standards' movement. One item that may been standardized
is directory services. The two candidates are, as the SUBJECT suggests,
AD and eDir.
Both Microsoft & Novell have made presentations. Overall, the Novell
presentation was better received. One attendee noticed the use of
acronyms by both parties and that Novell's list, while longer, listed
industry standards.
After both presentations, the group, of which I am a member and, in
fact, the most vocal proponent that we need a directory service, met to
discuss both products. The group, the majority of which are not
technical, basically boiled down to an "disagreement" between the AD and
eDir proponents. At the end of the discussion, I offered the suggestion
that went something like this...Looking around this table (the techies
vs. the non-techies) and if this was a hospital with the few techies
being doctors, I wouldn't be comfortable if this group made a medical
decision that was to impact me. No way. That prompted the chair to
establish a sub-group of techies from the larger group and outside to
investigate directory services.
Here is where I need assistance. As I don't know AD, the Microsoft
group doesn't know eDir. However, it appears as if most, if not all, of
what is sold by Novell as addt. products, is included in AD/Server 2000.
As one of the Microsoft school reps said, "What do I gain (he has been
running Server 2000 in a 95% Windows school for just over a semester) by
going to eDir?
1. So, of the following products (and free feel to add/delete), which
have comparable features that are already included with Server 2000?
ZENWorks
BorderManager
iFolder
Web-based administration
Web-based access to resources
NetWare = Server 2000
please add to the list
2. What does a MS school running Server 2000 gain by putting eDir over
the top?
3. Does any one have examples of organizations that have moved from AD
to eDir, especially in education? Even more so, in K-12.
4. BTW, discussions of TCO, ROI etc don't hold value here. The AD site
would say that it has already achieved TCO, ROI and the like by moving
from an NT4 to AD structure.
As you can imagine, tempers ran a little warm during our discussions.
As I would like to say, looking at the possibility of standardizing on
the "other guy's" directory service is much like being told you will be
getting a new spouse because s/he is the wrong "service." If you were
happy with your spouse, this is not a good thing.
Sorry for the long post but I felt background info was necessary.
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Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 02:58:45 -0400
From: Mark Smith <MarkSmith@DATAIP.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: DNSDHCP console and XP
Michael,
Yes, I too suffered from this problem. It has happened on both Win98 and
Win2000 machines I have been using to admin the DHCP server. I never got to
the cause, but sometimes I needed to try to run the app about 10 times
before I would get a successful launch.
I have seen it on more than one NW5.1 network.
This problem now appears to have been cured. I have had a couple of changes
on the system (NW51SP4 and Win2000SP3) and don't know if any or none
actually made a difference.
Just one thing... I guess you ARE logged in as admin otherwise you do see
that behaviour.
On Fri, 30 Aug 2002 13:37:18 +1000, Michael Mollard <molm@CVXMCK.EDU.AU>
wrote:
> I'm running XP Pro, Novell's c483sp1.exe client, on my NW5.1sp2a
> lan, trying to use dnsdhcp.exe to manage DHCP addresses.
> When I start the app, it asks me which tree (we only have the one)
> and then it just disappears. Doesn't matter how many times I try.
> Has anyone else seen this?
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Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 17:15:05 +1000
From: Michael Mollard <molm@CVXMCK.EDU.AU>
Subject: DHCP Console - some solutions
Well, it appears that I'm not alone in this little issue.
I now have things working.
Here are some points to what made it run much better.
I installed the latest Java Runtime Environment (www.sun.com). not sure if this
contributed or not, but I thought I'd better mention it.
I'm running NW51sp2a, so I grabbed the SYS\PUBLIC\DNSDHCP\* from
NW51SP5 and overwrote the existing SYS:\PUBLIC\DNSDHCP\, then ran
setup.exe from this directory, using these newer files.
Also, I had a look at TID 10060988 (thanks, Gordon).
Here is the meat of it ...
---------------
The JAVA runtime environment bundled with the DNS/DHCP Management causes
poor performance. The name of the JRE changed from JRE.EXE / JREW.EXE to
JAVA.EXE / JAVAW.EXE.
fix :
Replace the JRE with a newer version from ConsoleOne 1.2d.1 or higher.
1. Install the DNSDHCP management console from PUBLIC\DNSDHCP. If it is
already installed, it will typically reside in "C:\PROGRAM
FILES\NOVELL\DNSDHCP" (the drive letter may vary)
2. Rename the directory JRE to JRE.OLD
3. Copy the complete JRE directory from ConsoleOne ( for example
PUBLIC\MGMT\CONSOLEONE\1.2\JRE\ ) to JRE in "C:\PROGRAM
FILES\NOVELL\DNSDHCP\"
4. In the newly created JRE\BIN directory, rename JAVA.EXE to JRE.EXE and
JAVAW.EXE to JREW.EXE
5. Run the DNS/DHCP management utility and experience the new look and the
improved speed and reliability.
---------------
Now DNSDHCP loads quickly on XP Pro, and has a cleaner look as well.
Hope this assists someone else as it did me.
Michael Mollard - Network Administrator
Clairvaux MacKillop College, Brisbane Qld Australia
(Direct) +61 7 3347 4607
(Ph ) +61 7 3349 8977
(Fax) +61 7 3349 5677
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Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 10:07:51 +0200
From: Hans Nellissen <dbphilos@RZ.UNI-DUESSELDORF.DE>
Subject: Re: Auto logout feature?
At 14:38 29.08.2002 -0400, you wrote:
Shawn,
> I am looking for a Netware program that will, after a set period of
> desktop inactivity, automatically close any open databases and log the
> workstation off the network. Does such a product exist?
It's possible a way to do this. What about using logout.exe as screensaver?
> My main problem is with a number of employees that leave databases open
> all night causing occasional database corruption.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Shawn
Hans Nellissen
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Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 11:20:37 +0300
From: Toomas Aas <toomas.aas@RAAD.TARTU.EE>
Subject: Re: Auto logout feature?
> From: Hans Nellissen <dbphilos@RZ.UNI-DUESSELDORF.DE>
> At 14:38 29.08.2002 -0400, you wrote:
> Shawn,
>
>
> > I am looking for a Netware program that will, after a set period of
> > desktop inactivity, automatically close any open databases and log the
> > workstation off the network. Does such a product exist?
>
> It's possible a way to do this. What about using logout.exe as screensaver?
Good thinking, but I think it lacks the 'close open databases' part. I
doubt if any third-party program is able to gracefully close databases
that are held open by some *other* program.
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Toomas Aas | toomas.aas@raad.tartu.ee | http://www.raad.tartu.ee/~toomas/
* I went to a general store, but they wouldn't let me buy anything specific.
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Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 06:07:59 -0500
From: Bob Hartung <bhartung@WISCOIND.COM>
Subject: Re: DNSDHCP console and XP
I had a similar problem. Win2K PC (sp2) running Novell Client v4.83 on
Netware 5.1 (sp3). Same symptoms as yours. I had to use a Win98 laptop
to work on DNSDHCP.
Since then I have installed Novell SP4 on all our servers. After
re-installing DNSDHCP Console on my Win2K system, it will load but only
one of three DHCP servers will display as active. Again, if I fire up my
Win98 laptop, everything works fine there.
At present I've let it go since I have the Win98 work-around.
Michael Mollard wrote:
> Hi all,
> I'm running XP Pro, Novell's c483sp1.exe client, on my NW5.1sp2a
> lan, trying to use dnsdhcp.exe to manage DHCP addresses.
> When I start the app, it asks me which tree (we only have the one)
> and then it just disappears. Doesn't matter how many times I try.
> I've just rebuilt my XP system from scratch, so there's nothing
> much else weird. All my NW functionality is still there (Mapped
> drives, ZFD3.2).
> Has anyone else seen this?
> Thanks.
>
> Michael Mollard - Network Administrator
> Clairvaux MacKillop College, Brisbane Qld Australia
> (Direct) +61 7 3347 4607
> (Ph ) +61 7 3349 8977
> (Fax) +61 7 3349 5677
>
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Phone: (608) 835-3106 x215
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email: bhartung@wiscoind.com
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Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 13:44:02 +0200
From: Poul Lausen <PLA@EKJ.DK>
Subject: Re: DNSDHCP console and XP
I have just updated to MW5.1SP5, and then it works!!!
/poul
> > > bhartung@WISCOIND.COM 30-08-2002 13:07:59 >>>
I had a similar problem. Win2K PC (sp2) running Novell Client v4.83 on
Netware 5.1 (sp3). Same symptoms as yours. I had to use a Win98 laptop
to work on DNSDHCP.
Since then I have installed Novell SP4 on all our servers. After
re-installing DNSDHCP Console on my Win2K system, it will load but only
one of three DHCP servers will display as active. Again, if I fire up my
Win98 laptop, everything works fine there.
At present I've let it go since I have the Win98 work-around.
Michael Mollard wrote:
> Hi all,
> I'm running XP Pro, Novell's c483sp1.exe client, on my NW5.1sp2a
> lan, trying to use dnsdhcp.exe to manage DHCP addresses.
> When I start the app, it asks me which tree (we only have the one)
> and then it just disappears. Doesn't matter how many times I try.
> I've just rebuilt my XP system from scratch, so there's nothing
> much else weird. All my NW functionality is still there (Mapped
> drives, ZFD3.2).
> Has anyone else seen this?
> Thanks.
>
> Michael Mollard - Network Administrator
> Clairvaux MacKillop College, Brisbane Qld Australia
> (Direct) +61 7 3347 4607
> (Ph ) +61 7 3349 8977
> (Fax) +61 7 3349 5677
>
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>
>
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Bob Hartung, Dir of I.T.
c\o Wisco Industries, Inc.
P. O. Box 10
736 Janesville St.
Oregon, WI 53575
Phone: (608) 835-3106 x215
Fax: (608) 835-9644
email: bhartung@wiscoind.com
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Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 07:20:00 -0500
From: David Seuferer <SEUFERER@ALAN.AMESLAB.GOV>
Subject: Re: CIFS and printers
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 15:07:41 -0400
> From: Bill Swisher <Bill.Swisher@THOMASMORE.EDU>
> Subject: Re: CIFS and printers
>
> If you want to print to an NDS printer, you must authenticate. That
is
> why you are getting the login screen. With the right software and
> printer you can print directly to an IP based printer and not go
through
> Novell. Is that what you really want to do?
>
> ------------------------------
No. The said user is already logged into the system using a novell
client. But when she tries to print when CIFS is running she gets
asked for a password and her Novell password doesn't work. This
doesn't happen if CIFS is turned off. That is why I asked if the
simple
password needs to be set for this user for some reason.
David Seuferer, CNE
Ames Laboratory
Information Systems
seuferer@ameslab.gov
fax: (515) 294-5638
phone: (515) 294-6053
"It comes in pints!?" Pippin
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Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 08:36:10 -0400
From: Mike Kanfer <KANFERM@WSDVT.ORG>
Subject: Mapping in Win2K
I read this somewhere recently but can't find it now! How do you map to a volume \
instead of the user's home directory when logging in from a Win2K machine?
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Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 08:23:42 -0500
From: Peter Van Lone <Peter.VanLone@MBTMADISON.COM>
Subject: Re: Mapping in Win2K
I don't understand.
What you map to has little to do with the OS of your workstation and
more to do with the format of map commands in the login script.
To map to a volume map t:=vol: (and variants)
To map to a home dir map t:=home_directory or vol:sub/%login_name
etc
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Kanfer [mailto:KANFERM@WSDVT.ORG]
> Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 7:36 AM
> To: NOVELL@LSV.SYR.EDU
> Subject: Mapping in Win2K
>
> I read this somewhere recently but can't find it now! How do you map
to a
> volume instead of the user's home directory when logging in from a
Win2K
> machine?
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Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 16:30:34 +0300
From: Alar Pandis <Alar@MTK.UT.EE>
Subject: iFolder client on NT does not insert files
Hi!
iFolder client 1.03 on NT 4 workstation does download (shows), but does
not inserting files. Vice versa is OK, I mean, when I put some files
into home-dir on WS then those files will be uploaded. Also, when I
delete something on other WS then this will be deleted also on NT WS,
but ... no inserting. On W2K WS-s no problem.
Any experiences? Ideas?
More thanks,
Alar.
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Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 09:34:10 -0400
From: Bud Durland <bud@MOLDRITEPLASTICS.COM>
Subject: Re: Question on W2k Workstations & Novell Acct Mgt.
Peter Van Lone wrote:
> You need Account Management for Windows 3.0 -- recently released. It has
> support for domains (win2k AD or nt4) or workgroups.
>
Interesting. I guess I'll have to learn more about it; it seems eDir by
itself on NT/Win2K isn't good for very much.
--
-------------------------------------------------------------------
Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to
build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe
trying to produce bigger and better idiots.
So far, the Universe is winning.
-------------------------------------------------------------------
Bud Durland, CNE Mold-Rite Plastics
Network Administrator http://www.mrpcap.com
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Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 14:34:52 +0100
From: Paul Howlett <Paul.Howlett@PATENT.GOV.UK>
Subject: Re: NetWare 6 MLA/CLA licensing
Thanks for the replies on this. It looks like we do have the right licensing objects \
then, thankfully.
Regards,
Paul.
======
Dear all,
We have migrated our lab NetWare 4.11 servers to NetWare 6. We have a CLA license, \
which I believe is the same as an MLA in NetWare licensing object terms. In each \
container that has a server object, we now have a license container called \
"Novell+Netware 6 Server+600" with a license certificate object in it (all the same \
serial number). We installed the licenses at OS upgrade time; we weren't provided \
with any user licenses by the License Fulilment web site people, which I have read is \
correct for MLA/CLA.
My question is - how can I tell for certain that the licenses we have in the tree are \
the unlimited CLA ones, and we aren't going to run out of licenses when we go live? \
What should the objects look like in the tree - does the +600 actually mean 600 user \
licences (should be more like +1200 for our license agreement)? I've had conflicting \
ideas from support forums - anyone out there with a CLA know what I should be looking \
for? NW6 MLA/CLA licensing doesn't seem to be very well explained in any \
documentation I've found so far.
Thanks,
Paul.
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Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 09:26:02 -0500
From: TOM SIEMERS <network@KASB.ORG>
Subject: Client for Microsoft Networks - do you need it?
I'm building a new clone to roll out this weekend. While tweaking the Client32 \
settings I got to wondering (always a danger for me): do you _have_ to load the \
Client for Microsoft Networks? We're not using any NT servers or sharing anything \
printer or filewise with our Win98 workstations. As a test I removed it from my \
workstation and I don't see any difference at all.
Has anybody else tried this? Have I discovered something amazing? Or has everybody \
else known this all along and I've just been exposed as the village idiot?
Tom
.............................................................
Tom Siemers
Technology Specialist
Kansas Association of School Boards
network@kasb.org
.............................................................
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Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 09:29:33 -0500
From: Peter Van Lone <Peter.VanLone@MBTMADISON.COM>
Subject: Re: Client for Microsoft Networks - do you need it?
Um ....
Exposed?
(:
> -----Original Message-----
> From: TOM SIEMERS [mailto:network@KASB.ORG]
> Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 9:26 AM
> To: NOVELL@LSV.SYR.EDU
> Subject: Client for Microsoft Networks - do you need it?
>
> I'm building a new clone to roll out this weekend. While tweaking the
> Client32 settings I got to wondering (always a danger for me): do you
> _have_ to load the Client for Microsoft Networks? We're not using any
NT
> servers or sharing anything printer or filewise with our Win98
> workstations. As a test I removed it from my workstation and I don't
see
> any difference at all.
>
> Has anybody else tried this? Have I discovered something amazing? Or
has
> everybody else known this all along and I've just been exposed as the
> village idiot?
>
>
> Tom
>
>
>
> .............................................................
> Tom Siemers
> Technology Specialist
> Kansas Association of School Boards
> network@kasb.org
> .............................................................
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Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 09:32:05 -0500
From: Peter Van Lone <Peter.VanLone@MBTMADISON.COM>
Subject: Re: Question on W2k Workstations & Novell Acct Mgt.
Edir on Win2k can be used for lots of things --- but just having it
there does not mean that suddenly windows machines will authenticate to
it (they won't) or that it will sync account info between domain/ad and
itself (it won't).
Edir can be used as the repository of account info to be queried by ldap
clients, as the account base for any custom apps you create, etc .....
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bud Durland [mailto:bud@MOLDRITEPLASTICS.COM]
> Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 8:34 AM
> To: NOVELL@LSV.SYR.EDU
> Subject: Re: Question on W2k Workstations & Novell Acct Mgt.
>
> Peter Van Lone wrote:
>
> > You need Account Management for Windows 3.0 -- recently released. It
has
> > support for domains (win2k AD or nt4) or workgroups.
> >
>
> Interesting. I guess I'll have to learn more about it; it seems eDir
by
> itself on NT/Win2K isn't good for very much.
>
> --
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to
> build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe
> trying to produce bigger and better idiots.
> So far, the Universe is winning.
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> Bud Durland, CNE Mold-Rite Plastics
> Network Administrator http://www.mrpcap.com
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 10:38:27 -0400
From: John Hanna <John@COASTAL.EDU>
Subject: Re: Another DHCP question
Jeff,
Would be very interested in what you find out her. This is been one concern
of mine for a long time and never found a satisfactory solution.
Keep me in mind with what you find.
Thanks,
John
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Novell LAN Interest Group [mailto:NOVELL@LSV.SYR.EDU]On Behalf Of
> Jeff Groetsema
> Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 3:06 PM
> To: NOVELL@LSV.SYR.EDU
> Subject: Another DHCP question
>
>
> All,
>
> I like Novell's DHCP. I think it provides features that some
> leave out (ping before assigning, etc.). But as far as reporting,
> it sucks! Are there any tools out there that I'm not aware of to
> provide reports on current address utilization etc.?
>
> Thanks,
> Jeff
>
>
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Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 09:41:31 -0500
From: Peter Van Lone <Peter.VanLone@MBTMADISON.COM>
Subject: Re: Another DHCP question
Ditto -
If you figure it out, post to the list!
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeff Groetsema [mailto:jgroetsema@UOP.EDU]
> Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 2:06 PM
> To: NOVELL@LSV.SYR.EDU
> Subject: Another DHCP question
>
> All,
>
> I like Novell's DHCP. I think it provides features that some leave
out
> (ping before assigning, etc.). But as far as reporting, it sucks!
Are
> there any tools out there that I'm not aware of to provide reports on
> current address utilization etc.?
>
> Thanks,
> Jeff
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Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 11:25:30 -0400
From: "Leone, Michael" <MLeone@CONTRIBUTIONSHIP.COM>
Subject: Re: Client for Microsoft Networks - do you need it?
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From: TOM SIEMERS [mailto:network@kasb.org]
>I'm building a new clone to roll out this weekend. While tweaking the
Client32 settings I got to wondering (always a danger
>for me): do you _have_ to load the Client for Microsoft Networks?
Only if you want to share out/access shared files/printers. (peer-to-peer
sharing)
>Has anybody else tried this? Have I discovered something amazing? Or has
everybody else known this all along and I've just
>been exposed as the village idiot?
Welcome to the village. Whole lot of us here. :-)
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(peer-to-peer sharing)</FONT> </P>
<P><FONT SIZE=2>>Has anybody else tried this? Have I discovered something amazing? \
Or has everybody else known this all along and I've just </FONT></P>
<P><FONT SIZE=2>>been exposed as the village idiot?</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=2>Welcome to the village. Whole lot of us here. :-)</FONT>
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Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 10:58:11 -0500
From: Kevin Wade <kmwade@GENDATASYS.COM>
Subject: Re: Client for Microsoft Networks - do you need it?
Watch out for dcom applications, such as WinFax Pro in Fax Sharing mode. They
generally require MS Client sw on NT/2k (and presumably XP) and work more
reliably on 98 with it as well.
Kevin Wade
-------- Original Message:
> I'm building a new clone to roll out this weekend. While tweaking the Client32
> settings I got to wondering (always a danger for me): do you _have_ to load
> the Client for Microsoft Networks? We're not using any NT servers or sharing
> anything printer or filewise with our Win98 workstations. As a test I removed
> it from my workstation and I don't see any difference at all.
>
> Has anybody else tried this? Have I discovered something amazing? Or has
> everybody else known this all along and I've just been exposed as the village
> idiot?
>
>
> Tom
>
>
>
> .............................................................
> Tom Siemers
> Technology Specialist
> Kansas Association of School Boards
> network@kasb.org
> .............................................................
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Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 11:00:38 -0500
From: Kevin Wade <kmwade@GENDATASYS.COM>
Subject: Re: Question on W2k Workstations & Novell Acct Mgt.
On the contrary. It is good for many things, just not for one:
authenticating to Windows security. If Windows would pass
authentication on to an LDAP3 compliant directory, eDir would work
out of the box. Alas, Novell has to fill in the missing features in MS
software as usual.
Kevin Wade
-------- Original Message:
> Peter Van Lone wrote:
>
> >You need Account Management for Windows 3.0 -- recently released. It has
> >support for domains (win2k AD or nt4) or workgroups.
> >
>
> Interesting. I guess I'll have to learn more about it; it seems eDir by
> itself on NT/Win2K isn't good for very much.
>
> --
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to
> build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe
> trying to produce bigger and better idiots.
> So far, the Universe is winning.
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> Bud Durland, CNE Mold-Rite Plastics
> Network Administrator http://www.mrpcap.com
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 12:45:22 -0500
From: Robert Carroll <rpcarroll@JUNO.COM>
Subject: Re: ADDING A NEW DRIVE
Hi Joe,
Why, we're practically neighbors! I'm in Allen County, Indiana, just
across the state line in Fort Wayne.
I work with a lot of 4.11 networks. There is an inexpensive method to
upgrade to a larger hard drive using Novell's software mirroring. I've
used this method many times, and it works great. I am assuming that you
do not own any third-party products such as ServerMagic or Portlock - if
you do, they provide an easier method than this procedure, but they are
costly for a one-time upgrade.
The upgrade process can be summarized as follows:
1. Physically add the new drive into the server with the old drive.
2. Add DOS partition and manually copy from old to new DOS partition.
3. Create Netware partition on new drive, and mirror it to the old drive.
4. Remove the old drive and expand the Netware partition on the new drive
to fill the remainder of the drive.
The specific steps are:
1. Download the free SnapBack evaluation software from Columbia Data
Products (www.cdp.com). We will want the DOS program RESIZE.EXE that
they include in the download.
2. Down the system, install the new drive in the server. If it is an IDE
drive, set it as a "slave" and set the original drive as "master". If it
is a SCSI drive, just attach it to the SCSI cable and assign it a SCSI ID
different than the other SCSI devices. Restart the server.
3. If this is an IDE drive which uses the motherboard's IDE controller,
enter the BIOS and change the CMOS settings for the new IDE drive. Turn
off drive geometry translation (that is, use "Normal", not LBA mode,
etc.). If the server BIOS cannot see the full size of the new drive
using Normal mode, this is okay (but see the next paragraph). Some drive
manufacturers suggest that you can manually configure the drive settings
by entering false #Cylinders, Heads, and Sectors and force the BIOS to
see only 1024 Megs. This has worked well for me, because NW drivers
ignore the BIOS.
However, if the BIOS cannot see the full size of the drive, you will have
a problem using the RESIZE.EXE program to enlarge your Netware partition,
as it only sees what the BIOS provides. You could try to upgrade your
BIOS, if an update is available. Or, you can use ServerMagic later to
enlarge the partition (ServerMagic runs on the server as an NLM, and uses
the Netware drivers). However, if you already have ServerMagic, then you
should skip the steps after step #7, and use that product to easily
perform the image copy and partition expansion.
4. If this is a SCSI drive, enter the SCSI controller's BIOS and turn off
the drive translation. Low-level format the drive using the utility
provided in the BIOS or other software.
5. Boot the server to DOS. If your server is set to start automatically
(because of an autoexec.bat command), you will need to start the server
with a DOS diskette, then edit the autoexec.bat file on the old drive to
prevent this. We need to work with the DOS partition.
6. Use the DOS utilities FDISK and FORMAT to create a Primary DOS
partition on the new drive. 100MB is usually fine. You will have to
reboot at this point. Now format the new drive using the "/S" switch to
copy the system files. The new drive is now visible to DOS and you can
use XCOPY to copy all files and directories from the old drive's DOS
partition to the new (e.g. XCOPY C:*.* D: /S/E/V). If you don't have a
bootable DOS diskette, now is the time to create one. Format the disk
using "Format A: /S", then copy (at least) the FDISK program to it.
Later, after you have removed the old drive, you will need to perform the
first boot with this diskette in order to use the FDISK program to set
the new drive's DOS partition active. After that, you will be able to
perform future boots from the new drive.
7. Start the Novell server. You can do this manually by switching to the
NWSERVER directory (CD\NWSERVER), then typing SERVER.
8. The new drive is now accessible under Netware. Load INSTALL.NLM at
the console, and create a netware partition identical in size to the old
partition. This is important, so use the Install menu to look at your
existing partition first, and write down the cylinders and size. Make
the new partition identical.
9. Again, using the mirroring options in Install, you will see your
existing, unmirrored Netware partition. Press the Insert key and add the
new Netware partition to the mirrored group. Press escape and watch the
remirroring status progress. The process may take some time, depending
on the size and speed of the old drive. With IDE drives, CPU utilization
during this process can be quite high, and may actually prevent users
from logging in, or at least it may slow down their access times. I
sometimes type DISABLE LOGIN at the console to keep them off the server
during this time, but it's not necessary.
10. When the mirroring is complete, DOWN the server, turn off the power,
and remove the old drive. Set the drive jumpers appropriately (IDE
drives, set to "single", assuming only one drive, "master" if there is
another drive or CDROM on that IDE channel; SCSI drives, set the SCSI ID
appropriately, probably to 0).
11. Insert the bootable DOS diskette, and boot the server to the A:
drive. Use FDISK to set the DOS partition active on the new hard drive.
Now use RESIZE.EXE to enlarge the Netware partition to fill the remainder
of the new drive. Remove the diskette.
12. Reboot the server. The upgrade is complete and you still have the
original drive as a backup.
If you have any questions before or during the upgrade, feel free to
contact me.
Best wishes,
Bob Carroll, CPA
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 08:19:52 -0400
From: Joe Covay <jcovay@ALLENCOUNTYOHIO.COM>
Subject: ADDING A NEW DRIVE
I have a novell netware server 4.11. I have a sys vol of 2gb I need to
add
a bigger harddrive
how do a fdisk and format the drive for netware.
how do I get to mount so I can add to login scrip as a drive letter.
Thanks
JOe
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