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Subject: Re: [ngw] GroupWise on Linux (NOT OES) File System
From: Joseph Marton <jmmarton () gmail ! com>
Date: 2009-07-31 10:08:11
Message-ID: 859ece290907310308n73a87132k1db541ec7378b864 () mail ! gmail ! com
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Nope.
Joe
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 11:49 PM, Paul Allen <pallenr32@gmail.com> wrote:
> for us sles newbies
> when you use ext3 is Htree on by default ?
>
>
>
> 2009/7/31 Joseph Marton <jmmarton@gmail.com>
>
> I haven't run reiser much, just with OES1 on my home server, and I saw it
>> completely trash the drive more than once.
>>
>> The issue with ext3 wanting to automatically run fsck on a reboot is
>> easily remedied with tune2fs. I turn that off everywhere.
>>
>> Joe
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 12:38 PM, James Taylor <
>> James.Taylor@eastcobbgroup.com> wrote:
>>
>>> You must be extremely "lucky" Danita.
>>> I have run almost exclusively Reiser on desktops, notebooks and servers;
>>> both GW and other applications, and I have had zero failures.
>>> I have run EXT3 on a few occasions, and I have have been less than
>>> impressed with speed and the wonderful tendency of it wanting to run and
>>> full fsck when I reboot. Any I time I need to reboot a server, it has
>>> usually been up longer than the fsck trigger interval for EXT3.
>>> -jt
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> James Taylor
>>> The East Cobb Group, Inc.
>>> 678-697-9420
>>> james.taylor@eastcobbgroup.com
>>> http://www.eastcobbgroup.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> >>> Danita Zanre <dzanre.ngwlist@gmail.com> 7/30/2009 01:14 PM >>>
>>> Reiser is indeed supported. With OES2 Novell changed their
>>> recommendations
>>> and defaults on the server for a simple reason really - the whole
>>> "uncertainty" surrounding Reiser and Mr. Reiser.
>>> I'm more cautious simply because I've never blown up an EXT3 partition,
>>> but
>>> I've lost count on how many Reiser partitions have self-destructed in my
>>> short Linux life :)
>>>
>>> That said, Reiser is much faster overall that EXT3 for GW, but I'm not
>>> sure
>>> in the real world how noticeable it is.
>>>
>>> Stay away from H-Tree, as has been indicated. There is some doubt about
>>> XFS
>>> as well, but sites have used it and says it's okay - then again sites
>>> have
>>> used H-Tree too, but the underlying theory behind why H-tree is so
>>> dangerous
>>> applies to XFS as well, and I don't want to be the one to recommend it to
>>> a
>>> customer and later be bitten by that whole issue!
>>>
>>> Danita
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 10:51 AM, Joseph Marton <jmmarton@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> > That's not entirely accurate. Reiser is still supported. If you run a
>>> > SLES server with reiser and encounter a filesystem issue you can still
>>> get
>>> > support from Novell. If you run GW on reiser and experience an issue
>>> you
>>> > can still get support. However, there is no further *development* for
>>> > reiser so don't expect any new features. There might still be
>>> bugfixes, but
>>> > that's going to be about it.
>>> >
>>> > Joe
>>> >
>>> > On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 11:45 AM, joe Acquisto <joe.acquisto@gmail.com
>>> >wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> IMHO, the issue is
>>> >>
>>> >> Reiser is unsupported. Last I heard, anyway. Talk is, while it runs,
>>> >> it's fine, but recovering from corruption is problematic. I would no
>>> longer
>>> >> use Reiser for any reason.
>>> >>
>>> >> Ext3 is currently supported and recovery is said to be more reliable.
>>> It
>>> >> is my own preferrence.
>>> >>
>>> >> NSS, IIRC is an OES only thing. I use it on smaller systems. Works
>>> >> fine.
>>> >>
>>> >> joe a.
>>> >>
>>> >> On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 12:09 PM, Bradley Christ <christ@augsburg.edu
>>> >wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>> > We run on Reiser ... SLES10 default.
>>> >>> > I'd love to see an actual benchmark comparison, rather than nothing
>>> but
>>> >>> > hear-say.
>>> >>> > I doubt you're going to run into problems in ANY direction you go.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> There are plenty of synthetic benchmarks (and easy ways to test, like
>>> >>> bonnie), but very little real-word comparisons. There are so many
>>> variables
>>> >>> involved (number of users on PO, caching vs online mode, blah, blah).
>>> >>>
>>> >>> In terms of performance, we noticed a significant improvement after
>>> >>> upgrading to v8 (on the same hardware). PO performance is much
>>> improved.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> --
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>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>
>
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Nope.<br><br>Joe<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 11:49 PM, \
Paul Allen <span dir="ltr"><<a \
href="mailto:pallenr32@gmail.com">pallenr32@gmail.com</a>></span> \
wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, \
204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
for us sles newbies<div><br></div><div>when you use ext3 is Htree on by default \
?</div><div><br></div><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2009/7/31 Joseph Marton \
<span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jmmarton@gmail.com" \
target="_blank">jmmarton@gmail.com</a>></span><div>
<div></div><div class="h5"><br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); \
margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">I haven't run reiser much, just \
with OES1 on my home server, and I saw it completely trash the drive more than \
once.<br>
<br>The issue with ext3 wanting to automatically run fsck on a reboot is easily \
remedied with tune2fs. I turn that off everywhere.<br>
<br>Joe<div><div></div><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at \
12:38 PM, James Taylor <span dir="ltr"><<a \
href="mailto:James.Taylor@eastcobbgroup.com" \
target="_blank">James.Taylor@eastcobbgroup.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); \
margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
You must be extremely "lucky" Danita.<br>
I have run almost exclusively Reiser on desktops, notebooks and servers; both GW and \
other applications, and I have had zero failures.<br> I have run EXT3 on a few \
occasions, and I have have been less than impressed with speed and the wonderful \
tendency of it wanting to run and full fsck when I reboot. Any I time I need to \
reboot a server, it has usually been up longer than the fsck trigger interval for \
EXT3.<br>
-jt<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
James Taylor<br>
The East Cobb Group, Inc.<br>
678-697-9420<br>
<a href="mailto:james.taylor@eastcobbgroup.com" \
target="_blank">james.taylor@eastcobbgroup.com</a><br> <a \
href="http://www.eastcobbgroup.com" \
target="_blank">http://www.eastcobbgroup.com</a><br> <br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
>>> Danita Zanre <<a href="mailto:dzanre.ngwlist@gmail.com" \
target="_blank">dzanre.ngwlist@gmail.com</a>> 7/30/2009 01:14 PM \
>>><br> <div><div></div><div>Reiser is indeed supported. With OES2 Novell \
changed their recommendations<br> and defaults on the server for a simple reason \
really - the whole<br> "uncertainty" surrounding Reiser and Mr. Reiser.<br>
I'm more cautious simply because I've never blown up an EXT3 partition, \
but<br> I've lost count on how many Reiser partitions have self-destructed in \
my<br> short Linux life :)<br>
<br>
That said, Reiser is much faster overall that EXT3 for GW, but I'm not sure<br>
in the real world how noticeable it is.<br>
<br>
Stay away from H-Tree, as has been indicated. There is some doubt about XFS<br>
as well, but sites have used it and says it's okay - then again sites have<br>
used H-Tree too, but the underlying theory behind why H-tree is so dangerous<br>
applies to XFS as well, and I don't want to be the one to recommend it to a<br>
customer and later be bitten by that whole issue!<br>
<br>
Danita<br>
<br>
<br>
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 10:51 AM, Joseph Marton <<a \
href="mailto:jmmarton@gmail.com" target="_blank">jmmarton@gmail.com</a>> \
wrote:<br> <br>
> That's not entirely accurate. Reiser is still supported. If you run \
a<br> > SLES server with reiser and encounter a filesystem issue you can still \
get<br> > support from Novell. If you run GW on reiser and experience an issue \
you<br> > can still get support. However, there is no further *development* \
for<br> > reiser so don't expect any new features. There might still be \
bugfixes, but<br> > that's going to be about it.<br>
><br>
> Joe<br>
><br>
> On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 11:45 AM, joe Acquisto <<a \
href="mailto:joe.acquisto@gmail.com" \
target="_blank">joe.acquisto@gmail.com</a>>wrote:<br> ><br>
>> IMHO, the issue is<br>
>><br>
>> Reiser is unsupported. Last I heard, anyway. Talk is, while it runs,<br>
>> it's fine, but recovering from corruption is problematic. I would no \
longer<br> >> use Reiser for any reason.<br>
>><br>
>> Ext3 is currently supported and recovery is said to be more reliable. \
It<br> >> is my own preferrence.<br>
>><br>
>> NSS, IIRC is an OES only thing. I use it on smaller systems. Works<br>
>> fine.<br>
>><br>
>> joe a.<br>
>><br>
>> On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 12:09 PM, Bradley Christ <<a \
href="mailto:christ@augsburg.edu" \
target="_blank">christ@augsburg.edu</a>>wrote:<br> >><br>
>>> > We run on Reiser ... SLES10 default.<br>
>>> > I'd love to see an actual benchmark comparison, rather than \
nothing but<br> >>> > hear-say.<br>
>>> > I doubt you're going to run into problems in ANY direction you \
go.<br> >>><br>
>>> There are plenty of synthetic benchmarks (and easy ways to test, \
like<br> >>> bonnie), but very little real-word comparisons. There are so \
many variables<br> >>> involved (number of users on PO, caching vs online \
mode, blah, blah).<br> >>><br>
>>> In terms of performance, we noticed a significant improvement after<br>
>>> upgrading to v8 (on the same hardware). PO performance is much \
improved.<br> >>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> --<br>
>>> Visit <a href="http://www.ngwlist.com" \
target="_blank">http://www.ngwlist.com</a> for help unsubscribing<br> \
>>><br> >>><br>
>><br>
><br>
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