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Subject: Re: [Nepomuk] First time Hello / Conquirere research tool / BibTeX
From: Andreas Cord-Landwehr <phoenixx () uni-paderborn ! de>
Date: 2011-09-25 13:36:08
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On Sunday 25 September 2011 14:14:58 Jörg Ehrichs wrote:
> > * Conferences: One of my key search terms in my personal paper database
> > are specific conferences. So it would be nice to have an additional
> > entity discribing a conference with its date/month, organization, and
> > place. AFAIK those values are also described by the BibTeX
> > meta-reference "conference".
>
> The "Conference" selection is missing, because I couldn't spot any
> difference between the BibTeX "conference" and "proceeding". Thus I've used
> proceeding currently.
>
> For the import everything will be transformed to proceeding and for the
> bibtex export you could choose if you want to use conference or proceeding
>
> If you need both and can explain what's the real difference between those
> two are. I will add them also.
Hi, I agree that for pure biblography programs the difference between
proceedings and conferences is negligible. You have usually a 1:1 mapping and
those confrences without proceedings won't appear in a literature database
anyways :)
However, I see the "conference" entity as a possible connection hub for other
applications. For example, you have contacts to pepole that you met at a
conference, the conference schedules, several todos, mails about flights an
hotels and much more. All that is obviously not stored in a literature
database and an entity like "proceedings" is not adequate to express the
meaning of a conference at all.
So, in my opinion a conference entity would simplify the connection between
the present literature and everything else that is connected to a conference
(which actually is to most parts already contained in Nepomuk, like by the
Akonadi feeders of KMail and KOrganizer...)
Greetings,
Andreas
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margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; \
-qt-user-state:0;">> The "Conference" selection is missing, because I \
couldn't spot any</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; \
margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> \
difference between the BibTeX "conference" and "proceeding". Thus \
I've used</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; \
margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> \
proceeding currently.</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; \
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-qt-user-state:0;">> </p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; \
margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; \
-qt-user-state:0;">> For the import everything will be transformed to proceeding \
and for the</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; \
margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> bibtex \
export you could choose if you want to use conference or proceeding</p> <p style=" \
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-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> </p> <p style=" \
margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> If you need both and can \
explain what's the real difference between those</p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; \
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text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">> two are. I will add them also.</p> <p \
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<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Hi, I agree that for pure \
biblography programs the difference between proceedings and conferences is \
negligible. You have usually a 1:1 mapping and those confrences without proceedings \
won't appear in a literature database anyways :)</p> <p \
style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; \
margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p> \
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">However, I see the \
"conference" entity as a possible connection hub for other applications. \
For example, you have contacts to pepole that you met at a conference, the conference \
schedules, several todos, mails about flights an hotels and much more. All that is \
obviously not stored in a literature database and an entity like \
"proceedings" is not adequate to express the meaning of a conference at \
all.</p> <p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; \
margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; \
-qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p> <p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; \
margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; \
-qt-user-state:0;">So, in my opinion a conference entity would simplify the \
connection between the present literature and everything else that is connected to a \
conference (which actually is to most parts already contained in Nepomuk, like by the \
Akonadi feeders of KMail and KOrganizer...)</p> <p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; \
margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p> <p \
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margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p> \
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Greetings,</p> <p \
style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; \
margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p> \
<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; \
-qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"> Andreas</p></body></html>
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