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Subject: Re: bufferbloat-beating customer shaping via LibreQoS
From: Jeremy Austin <jhaustin () gmail ! com>
Date: 2022-09-19 0:36:19
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Thanks for the shoutout, Norman. Preseem isn't at 50Gbps in 1U yet, but we
will get there.
I hope more folks listen to Dave, open vs. closed source solutions aside —
AQM makes a shocking amount of difference to quality of experience.
Jeremy
On Sun, Sep 18, 2022 at 2:14 PM Norman Jester <nj@ancientalien.com> wrote:
>
> > On Sep 18, 2022, at 12:25 PM, Dave Taht <dave.taht@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > There's been a huge uptake in interest lately in doing better per
> > device and per customer shaping, especially for
> > ISPs, in the libreQoS.io project, which is leveraging the best ideas
> > bufferbloat project members have had over the
> > past decade (cake, bpf, xdp) to push an x86 middlebox well past the
> > 10Gbit barrier, on sub-2k boxes, with really
> > good stats on backlogs, drops, and ecn marks. I've long primarily
> > tried to get fq_codel and cake running on the CPE (most recently
> > mikrotik), and that's been taking too long.
> >
> > I have no idea to what extent members of this list have interest in
> > this, but if you know of a smaller ISP with bad bufferbloat,
> > please pass that link along? It's got ridiculously easier to set up as
> > a vm of late.
> >
> > There is presently a design discussion going on over here:
> >
> > https://github.com/rchac/LibreQoS/issues/57
> >
> > And by mentioning it here, today, I'm mostly asking what other real
> > life use cases we should try to tackle? What backend tools should we
> > try to integrate with?
> >
> > --
> > FQ World Domination pending:
> https://blog.cerowrt.org/post/state_of_fq_codel/
> > Dave Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC
>
> Take a look at Preseem as the features it has and graphs are great. WISPs
> need this type of system and would show added interest if it has those
> charts and metrics. The integrations are good also. HubSpot integration is
> a plus so we can pull user data out of it and add it to their HubSpot
> profiles.
>
> --
Jeremy Austin
jhaustin@gmail.com
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<div dir="auto">Thanks for the shoutout, Norman. Preseem isn't at 50Gbps in 1U yet, \
but we will get there.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I hope more \
folks listen to Dave, open vs. closed source solutions aside — AQM makes a shocking \
amount of difference to quality of experience. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div \
dir="auto">Jeremy</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div \
dir="auto"><br></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" \
class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Sep 18, 2022 at 2:14 PM Norman Jester <<a \
href="mailto:nj@ancientalien.com">nj@ancientalien.com</a>> \
wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 \
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><br> > On Sep 18, 2022, at 12:25 \
PM, Dave Taht <<a href="mailto:dave.taht@gmail.com" \
target="_blank">dave.taht@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br> > <br>
> There's been a huge uptake in interest lately in doing better per<br>
> device and per customer shaping, especially for<br>
> ISPs, in the libreQoS.io project, which is leveraging the best ideas<br>
> bufferbloat project members have had over the<br>
> past decade (cake, bpf, xdp) to push an x86 middlebox well past the<br>
> 10Gbit barrier, on sub-2k boxes, with really<br>
> good stats on backlogs, drops, and ecn marks. I've long primarily<br>
> tried to get fq_codel and cake running on the CPE (most recently<br>
> mikrotik), and that's been taking too long.<br>
> <br>
> I have no idea to what extent members of this list have interest in<br>
> this, but if you know of a smaller ISP with bad bufferbloat,<br>
> please pass that link along? It's got ridiculously easier to set up as<br>
> a vm of late.<br>
> <br>
> There is presently a design discussion going on over here:<br>
> <br>
> <a href="https://github.com/rchac/LibreQoS/issues/57" rel="noreferrer" \
target="_blank">https://github.com/rchac/LibreQoS/issues/57</a><br> > <br>
> And by mentioning it here, today, I'm mostly asking what other real<br>
> life use cases we should try to tackle? What backend tools should we<br>
> try to integrate with?<br>
> <br>
> -- <br>
> FQ World Domination pending: <a \
href="https://blog.cerowrt.org/post/state_of_fq_codel/" rel="noreferrer" \
target="_blank">https://blog.cerowrt.org/post/state_of_fq_codel/</a><br> > Dave \
Täht CEO, TekLibre, LLC<br> <br>
Take a look at Preseem as the features it has and graphs are great. WISPs need this \
type of system and would show added interest if it has those charts and metrics. The \
integrations are good also. HubSpot integration is a plus so we can pull user data \
out of it and add it to their HubSpot profiles.<br> <br>
</blockquote></div></div>-- <br><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" \
data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div \
dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div \
dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><span \
style="font-size:12.8px">Jeremy Austin</span></div><div><a \
href="mailto:jhaustin@gmail.com" style="font-size:12.8px" \
target="_blank">jhaustin@gmail.com</a></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
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