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Subject: Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5
From: Ali Ok <aliok () aliok ! com ! tr>
Date: 2011-10-31 23:03:54
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Hi,
So do you think myfaces/incubator/html5 is a good place?
Greetings,
Ali
On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 1:37 PM, Ali Ok <aliok@aliok.com.tr> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> In my opinion as long this lib is html5 only it should not be part of
>
> the tomahawk project
>
> I agree, no relation with Tomahawk.
>
> a different idea would be a small myfaces-incubator for new project-ideas
>> (esp. for gsoc projects).
>
> Makes more sense to me than Tomahawk.
>
> I think (almost) everyone is in favor of moving the project to somewhere
> else, I am also ok with it.
> Important thing for the project is having the ability for releases and the
> jars are deployed to maven repo.
>
> Cheers,
> Ali
>
> On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 11:05 AM, Mark Struberg <struberg@yahoo.de> wrote:
>
>> including our very own little 'attic' :)
>>
>> Actually the big difference between the incubator and a mf subproject
>> would be the IP clearance. We really need to do this upfront before
>> importing.
>> But actually I like this much more than having projects developed outside
>> and only later brought into our SVN - because this causes lots of paperwork
>> (gas grants and a IP clearance review is mandatory).
>>
>> Thus a +1
>>
>> LieGrue,
>> strub
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >________________________________
>> >From: Gerhard Petracek <gerhard.petracek@gmail.com>
>> >To: MyFaces Development <dev@myfaces.apache.org>
>> >Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 10:58 AM
>> >Subject: Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5
>> >
>> >
>> >a different idea would be a small myfaces-incubator for new
>> project-ideas (esp. for gsoc projects).
>> >we can release parts easily and drop them if we see that something
>> doesn't work for our community. if an idea works for the community, we can
>> discuss the correct place for it.
>> >
>> >
>> >we might see new gsoc projects (related to myfaces) every year. imo it's
>> the wrong approach to just add them as new sub-project and we don't have
>> the resources/community to maintain them.
>> >
>> >
>> >regards,
>> >gerhard
>> >
>> >http://www.irian.at
>> >
>> >Your JSF powerhouse -
>> >JSF Consulting, Development and
>> >Courses in English and German
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>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >2011/10/22 Bernd Bohmann <bernd.bohmann@atanion.com>
>> >
>> >Ha, I don't think we should wait for the jsf-eg.
>> >>
>> >>Hey guys they are asking for a alpha release.
>> >>In my opinion as long this lib is html5 only it should not be part of
>> >>the tomahawk project.
>> >>
>> >>I don't see any problems in releasing an alpha release. But before a
>> >>beta we should decide own extension or tomahawk.
>> >>
>> >>Regards
>> >>
>> >>Bernd
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 9:31 AM, Gerhard Petracek
>> >><gerhard.petracek@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>> it's planned that jsf2.2 will get some sort of html5 support.
>> >>> imo we should work together with the jsf-eg to ensure that we won't
>> promote
>> >>> incompatible components.
>> >>> regards,
>> >>> gerhard
>> >>>
>> >>> http://www.irian.at
>> >>>
>> >>> Your JSF powerhouse -
>> >>> JSF Consulting, Development and
>> >>> Courses in English and German
>> >>>
>> >>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> 2011/10/22 Mark Struberg <struberg@yahoo.de>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> +1 for moving it to tomahawk.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> One big open question for me is our html5 strategy at all.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Will the html5 components provide legacy html support themselfs?
>> >>>> Thus a calendar component will use jQuery (or whatever) calendar
>> when a
>> >>>> non-html5 browser is detected,
>> >>>> or is this in the responsibility of the developer?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> if (html5){
>> >>>> aaaa
>> >>>>
>> >>>> } else{
>> >>>> bbbb //fallback
>> >>>>
>> >>>> }
>> >>>>
>> >>>> ?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Afaik our current html5 components 'only' support pure html5
>> rendering,
>> >>>> isn't?
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> LieGrue,
>> >>>> strub
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> >________________________________
>> >>>> >From: Gerhard Petracek <gerhard.petracek@gmail.com>
>> >>>> >To: MyFaces Development <dev@myfaces.apache.org>
>> >>>> >Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 10:22 PM
>> >>>> >Subject: Re: [html5] alpha release for myfaces html5
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >@grant: +1
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >regards,
>> >>>> >gerhard
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >http://www.irian.at
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >Your JSF powerhouse -
>> >>>> >JSF Consulting, Development and
>> >>>> >Courses in English and German
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >2011/10/21 Grant Smith <work.grant@gmail.com>
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >I must agree with Gerhard. The whole point of the sandbox is for
>> this
>> >>>> > very purpose. However, perhaps we should look at the sandbox more
>> often and
>> >>>> > vote on components that are ready to "graduate".
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >>On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 1:12 PM, Gerhard Petracek
>> >>>> >> <gerhard.petracek@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >>hi leo,
>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>> >>>imo such an argument doesn't justify an own sub-project. i
>> >don't< say
>> >>>> >>> -1. my point is that we should discuss it (esp. because the
>> situation
>> >>>> >>> changed).
>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>> >>>regards,
>> >>>> >>>gerhard
>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>> >>>http://www.irian.at
>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>> >>>Your JSF powerhouse -
>> >>>> >>>JSF Consulting, Development and
>> >>>> >>>Courses in English and German
>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>> >>>Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>> >>>2011/10/21 Leonardo Uribe <lu4242@gmail.com>
>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>> >>>Hi
>> >>>> >>>>
>> >>>> >>>>The problem with move to tomahawk sandbox is those artifact can't
>> >>>> >>>>never be released. Do an alpha release give us the chance to
>> know if
>> >>>> >>>>the bits are good enough, get more feedback, and later decide
>> what to
>> >>>> >>>>do. The truth is some people only test some artifacts "after" a
>> >>>> >>>>release. Do it as an alpha release means "... software that has
>> just
>> >>>> >>>>been compiled and ready for its initial test inhouse. ...". I
>> think
>> >>>> >>>>that is enough clear.
>> >>>> >>>>
>> >>>> >>>>
>> >>>> >>>>regards,
>> >>>> >>>>
>> >>>> >>>>Leonardo Uribe
>> >>>> >>>>
>> >>>> >>>>2011/10/21 Gerhard Petracek <gerhard.petracek@gmail.com>:
>> >>>> >>>>> hi ali,
>> >>>> >>>>> most commits happened "directly" after the initial import. that
>> >>>> >>>>> didn't look
>> >>>> >>>>> very promising.
>> >>>> >>>>> it's great to hear that you plan to continue.
>> >>>> >>>>> however, since we haven't seen a lot of activity, we should
>> re-visit
>> >>>> >>>>> the
>> >>>> >>>>> option to move the components to tomahawk
>> (btw. tomahawk-sandbox).
>> >>>> >>>>> regards,
>> >>>> >>>>> gerhard
>> >>>> >>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>> http://www.irian.at
>> >>>> >>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>> Your JSF powerhouse -
>> >>>> >>>>> JSF Consulting, Development and
>> >>>> >>>>> Courses in English and German
>> >>>> >>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>> >>>> >>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>> 2011/10/21 Ali Ok <aliok@aliok.com.tr>
>> >>>> >>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>> Hi,
>> >>>> >>>>>> Thank you Leonardo for volunteering in the release.
>> >>>> >>>>>> Yes, it would be good discussing the future.
>> >>>> >>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>> I am still working on the project. Leonardo and I am the only
>> ones
>> >>>> >>>>>> at the
>> >>>> >>>>>> moment.
>> >>>> >>>>>> I am trying to work on the project 1 night a week, so the
>> progress
>> >>>> >>>>>> is
>> >>>> >>>>>> slow. I think it will be like this for a while.
>> >>>> >>>>>> We have a few issues to fix / features to implement already
>> in the
>> >>>> >>>>>> issue
>> >>>> >>>>>> tracker, and I am going to add more. There isn't enough
>> feedback,
>> >>>> >>>>>> since I
>> >>>> >>>>>> guess Html5 stuff is still not supported by every browser and
>> not
>> >>>> >>>>>> everyone
>> >>>> >>>>>> can use them. So the user profile is more like enthusiasts
>> who are
>> >>>> >>>>>> experimenting with Html5.
>> >>>> >>>>>> What we could do is providing fallback for old browsers out
>> of the
>> >>>> >>>>>> box,
>> >>>> >>>>>> but it is really hard to implement.
>> >>>> >>>>>> About the future: there is a lot to do in this area and I am
>> >>>> >>>>>> willing to
>> >>>> >>>>>> work, but I can say I can spare limited time.
>> >>>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>> That's the intention of this mail. I think we should do an
>> alpha
>> >>>> >>>>>>> release. I don't see reasons to block a release.
>> >>>> >>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>> I agree.
>> >>>> >>>>>> I am pretty sure a release is good for the project, more
>> people
>> >>>> >>>>>> will hear
>> >>>> >>>>>> about it; and hopefully we can get some feedback.
>> >>>> >>>>>> Cheers,
>> >>>> >>>>>> Ali
>> >>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 8:50 PM, Werner Punz
>> >>>> >>>>>> <werner.punz@gmail.com>
>> >>>> >>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>> +1
>> >>>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>> Am 10/21/11 7:56 PM, schrieb Leonardo Uribe:
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>> Hi
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>> That's the intention of this mail. I think we should do an
>> alpha
>> >>>> >>>>>>>> release. I don't see reasons to block a release.
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>> regards,
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>> Leonardo Uribe
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>> 2011/10/21 Gerhard Petracek<gerhard.petracek@gmail.com>:
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> before we release it, we should (imo) discuss the future
>> of this
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> module.
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> regards,
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> gerhard
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> http://www.irian.at
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Your JSF powerhouse -
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> JSF Consulting, Development and
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Courses in English and German
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> 2011/10/21 Leonardo Uribe<lu4242@gmail.com>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> It could be good to do an alpha release of myfaces html5
>> next
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> week.
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> The site for this project is:
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> http://myfaces.apache.org/html5/
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> If no objections I'll do the necessary steps.
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> regards,
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> Leonardo Uribe
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>> --
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>> >>>> >>>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>>
>> >>>> >>>>
>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >>--
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>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>
>
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Hi,<div><br></div><div>So do you think
myfaces/incubator/html5 is a good \
place?</div><div><br></div><div>Greetings,</div><div>Ali<br><br><div \
class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 1:37 PM, Ali Ok <span dir="ltr"><<a \
href="mailto:aliok@aliok.com.tr">aliok@aliok.com.tr</a>></span> wrote:<br> \
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc \
solid;padding-left:1ex;">Hi,<div class="im"><div><br></div><div><blockquote \
class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204, \
204, 204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
<span style="font-family:arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255, \
255, 255)">In my opinion as long this lib is html5 only it should not be part \
of</span></blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" \
style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204, \
204, 204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
<span style="font-family:arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255, \
255, 255)">the tomahawk project</span></blockquote></div></div><div><span \
style="background-color:transparent">I agree, no relation with Tomahawk. \
</span></div>
<div><br></div><div><div class="im"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" \
style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204, \
204, 204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
<span style="font-family:arial, sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255, \
255, 255)">a different idea would be a small myfaces-incubator for new project-ideas \
(esp. for gsoc projects).</span> </blockquote> </div><div>Makes more sense to me than \
Tomahawk.</div><div><br></div><div>I think (almost) everyone is in favor of moving \
the project to somewhere else, I am also ok with it.</div><div>Important thing for \
the project is having the ability for releases and the jars are deployed to maven \
repo.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div><div>Ali</div><div><div></div><div \
class="h5"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 11:05 AM, Mark \
Struberg <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:struberg@yahoo.de" \
target="_blank">struberg@yahoo.de</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc \
solid;padding-left:1ex">including our very own little 'attic' :)<br> <br>
Actually the big difference between the incubator and a mf subproject would be the IP \
clearance. We really need to do this upfront before importing.<br> But actually I \
like this much more than having projects developed outside and only later brought \
into our SVN - because this causes lots of paperwork (gas grants and a IP clearance \
review is mandatory).<br> <br>
Thus a +1<br>
<div><br>
LieGrue,<br>
strub<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
>________________________________<br>
>From: Gerhard Petracek <<a href="mailto:gerhard.petracek@gmail.com" \
target="_blank">gerhard.petracek@gmail.com</a>><br> >To: MyFaces Development \
<<a href="mailto:dev@myfaces.apache.org" \
target="_blank">dev@myfaces.apache.org</a>><br> </div>>Sent: Saturday, October \
22, 2011 10:58 AM<br> <div><div></div><div>>Subject: Re: [html5] alpha release for \
myfaces html5<br> ><br>
><br>
>a different idea would be a small myfaces-incubator for new project-ideas (esp. \
for gsoc projects).<br> >we can release parts easily and drop them if we see that \
something doesn't work for our community. if an idea works for the community, we \
can discuss the correct place for it.<br> ><br>
><br>
>we might see new gsoc projects (related to myfaces) every year. imo it's the \
wrong approach to just add them as new sub-project and we don't have the \
resources/community to maintain them.<br> ><br>
><br>
>regards,<br>
>gerhard<br>
><br>
><a href="http://www.irian.at" target="_blank">http://www.irian.at</a><br>
><br>
>Your JSF powerhouse -<br>
>JSF Consulting, Development and<br>
>Courses in English and German<br>
><br>
>Professional Support for Apache MyFaces<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
>2011/10/22 Bernd Bohmann <<a href="mailto:bernd.bohmann@atanion.com" \
target="_blank">bernd.bohmann@atanion.com</a>><br> ><br>
>Ha, I don't think we should wait for the jsf-eg.<br>
>><br>
>>Hey guys they are asking for a alpha release.<br>
>>In my opinion as long this lib is html5 only it should not be part of<br>
>>the tomahawk project.<br>
>><br>
>>I don't see any problems in releasing an alpha release. But before a<br>
>>beta we should decide own extension or tomahawk.<br>
>><br>
>>Regards<br>
>><br>
>>Bernd<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>>On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 9:31 AM, Gerhard Petracek<br>
>><<a href="mailto:gerhard.petracek@gmail.com" \
target="_blank">gerhard.petracek@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br> >>> it's \
planned that jsf2.2 will get some sort of html5 support.<br> >>> imo we \
should work together with the jsf-eg to ensure that we won't promote<br> \
>>> incompatible components.<br> >>> regards,<br>
>>> gerhard<br>
>>><br>
>>> <a href="http://www.irian.at" \
target="_blank">http://www.irian.at</a><br> >>><br>
>>> Your JSF powerhouse -<br>
>>> JSF Consulting, Development and<br>
>>> Courses in English and German<br>
>>><br>
>>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> 2011/10/22 Mark Struberg <<a href="mailto:struberg@yahoo.de" \
target="_blank">struberg@yahoo.de</a>><br> >>>><br>
>>>> +1 for moving it to tomahawk.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> One big open question for me is our html5 strategy at all.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Will the html5 components provide legacy html support themselfs?<br>
>>>> Thus a calendar component will use jQuery (or whatever) calendar \
when a<br> >>>> non-html5 browser is detected,<br>
>>>> or is this in the responsibility of the developer?<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> if (html5){<br>
>>>> aaaa<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> } else{<br>
>>>> bbbb //fallback<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> }<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> ?<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Afaik our current html5 components 'only' support pure html5 \
rendering,<br> >>>> isn't?<br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> LieGrue,<br>
>>>> strub<br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> >________________________________<br>
>>>> >From: Gerhard Petracek <<a \
href="mailto:gerhard.petracek@gmail.com" \
target="_blank">gerhard.petracek@gmail.com</a>><br> >>>> >To: \
MyFaces Development <<a href="mailto:dev@myfaces.apache.org" \
target="_blank">dev@myfaces.apache.org</a>><br> >>>> >Sent: Friday, \
October 21, 2011 10:22 PM<br> >>>> >Subject: Re: [html5] alpha release \
for myfaces html5<br> >>>> ><br>
>>>> ><br>
>>>> >@grant: +1<br>
>>>> ><br>
>>>> ><br>
>>>> >regards,<br>
>>>> >gerhard<br>
>>>> ><br>
>>>> ><br>
>>>> ><a href="http://www.irian.at" \
target="_blank">http://www.irian.at</a><br> >>>> ><br>
>>>> >Your JSF powerhouse -<br>
>>>> >JSF Consulting, Development and<br>
>>>> >Courses in English and German<br>
>>>> ><br>
>>>> >Professional Support for Apache MyFaces<br>
>>>> ><br>
>>>> ><br>
>>>> ><br>
>>>> ><br>
>>>> >2011/10/21 Grant Smith <<a href="mailto:work.grant@gmail.com" \
target="_blank">work.grant@gmail.com</a>><br> >>>> ><br>
>>>> >I must agree with Gerhard. The whole point of the sandbox is for \
this<br> >>>> > very purpose. However, perhaps we should look at the \
sandbox more often and<br> >>>> > vote on components that are ready to \
"graduate".<br> >>>> >><br>
>>>> >><br>
>>>> >><br>
>>>> >>On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 1:12 PM, Gerhard Petracek<br>
>>>> >> <<a href="mailto:gerhard.petracek@gmail.com" \
target="_blank">gerhard.petracek@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br> >>>> \
>><br> >>>> >>hi leo,<br>
>>>> >>><br>
>>>> >>><br>
>>>> >>>imo such an argument doesn't justify an own \
sub-project. i >don't< say<br> >>>> >>> -1. my point \
is that we should discuss it (esp. because the situation<br> >>>> \
>>> changed).<br> >>>> >>><br>
>>>> >>><br>
>>>> >>>regards,<br>
>>>> >>>gerhard<br>
>>>> >>><br>
>>>> >>><a href="http://www.irian.at" \
target="_blank">http://www.irian.at</a><br> >>>> >>><br>
>>>> >>>Your JSF powerhouse -<br>
>>>> >>>JSF Consulting, Development and<br>
>>>> >>>Courses in English and German<br>
>>>> >>><br>
>>>> >>>Professional Support for Apache MyFaces<br>
>>>> >>><br>
>>>> >>><br>
>>>> >>><br>
>>>> >>>2011/10/21 Leonardo Uribe <<a \
href="mailto:lu4242@gmail.com" target="_blank">lu4242@gmail.com</a>><br> \
>>>> >>><br> >>>> >>>Hi<br>
>>>> >>>><br>
>>>> >>>>The problem with move to tomahawk sandbox is those \
artifact can't<br> >>>> >>>>never be released. Do an \
alpha release give us the chance to know if<br> >>>> >>>>the \
bits are good enough, get more feedback, and later decide what to<br> \
>>>> >>>>do. The truth is some people only test some \
artifacts "after" a<br> >>>> >>>>release. Do it as \
an alpha release means "... software that has just<br> >>>> \
>>>>been compiled and ready for its initial test inhouse. ...". I \
think<br> >>>> >>>>that is enough clear.<br>
>>>> >>>><br>
>>>> >>>><br>
>>>> >>>>regards,<br>
>>>> >>>><br>
>>>> >>>>Leonardo Uribe<br>
>>>> >>>><br>
>>>> >>>>2011/10/21 Gerhard Petracek <<a \
href="mailto:gerhard.petracek@gmail.com" \
target="_blank">gerhard.petracek@gmail.com</a>>:<br> >>>> \
>>>>> hi ali,<br> >>>> >>>>> most commits \
happened "directly" after the initial import. that<br> >>>> \
>>>>> didn't look<br> >>>> >>>>> very \
promising.<br> >>>> >>>>> it's great to hear that you \
plan to continue.<br> >>>> >>>>> however, since we \
haven't seen a lot of activity, we should re-visit<br> >>>> \
>>>>> the<br> >>>> >>>>> option to move the \
components to tomahawk (btw. tomahawk-sandbox).<br> >>>> \
>>>>> regards,<br> >>>> >>>>> gerhard<br>
>>>> >>>>><br>
>>>> >>>>> <a href="http://www.irian.at" \
target="_blank">http://www.irian.at</a><br> >>>> >>>>><br>
>>>> >>>>> Your JSF powerhouse -<br>
>>>> >>>>> JSF Consulting, Development and<br>
>>>> >>>>> Courses in English and German<br>
>>>> >>>>><br>
>>>> >>>>> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces<br>
>>>> >>>>><br>
>>>> >>>>><br>
>>>> >>>>><br>
>>>> >>>>> 2011/10/21 Ali Ok <<a \
href="mailto:aliok@aliok.com.tr" target="_blank">aliok@aliok.com.tr</a>><br> \
>>>> >>>>>><br> >>>> \
>>>>>> Hi,<br> >>>> >>>>>> Thank you \
Leonardo for volunteering in the release.<br> >>>> \
>>>>>> Yes, it would be good discussing the future.<br> \
>>>> >>>>>><br> >>>> \
>>>>>> I am still working on the project. Leonardo and I am the \
only ones<br> >>>> >>>>>> at the<br>
>>>> >>>>>> moment.<br>
>>>> >>>>>> I am trying to work on the project 1 night \
a week, so the progress<br> >>>> >>>>>> is<br>
>>>> >>>>>> slow. I think it will be like this for a \
while.<br> >>>> >>>>>> We have a few issues to fix / \
features to implement already in the<br> >>>> >>>>>> \
issue<br> >>>> >>>>>> tracker, and I am going to add \
more. There isn't enough feedback,<br> >>>> >>>>>> \
since I<br> >>>> >>>>>> guess Html5 stuff is still not \
supported by every browser and not<br> >>>> >>>>>> \
everyone<br> >>>> >>>>>> can use them. So the user \
profile is more like enthusiasts who are<br> >>>> \
>>>>>> experimenting with Html5.<br> >>>> \
>>>>>> What we could do is providing fallback for old browsers out \
of the<br> >>>> >>>>>> box,<br>
>>>> >>>>>> but it is really hard to implement.<br>
>>>> >>>>>> About the future: there is a lot to do in \
this area and I am<br> >>>> >>>>>> willing to<br>
>>>> >>>>>> work, but I can say I can spare limited \
time.<br> >>>> >>>>>>><br>
>>>> >>>>>>> That's the intention of this mail. \
I think we should do an alpha<br> >>>> >>>>>>> \
release. I don't see reasons to block a release.<br> >>>> \
>>>>>><br> >>>> >>>>>> I agree.<br>
>>>> >>>>>> I am pretty sure a release is good for the \
project, more people<br> >>>> >>>>>> will hear<br>
>>>> >>>>>> about it; and hopefully we can get some \
feedback.<br> >>>> >>>>>> Cheers,<br>
>>>> >>>>>> Ali<br>
>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 8:50 PM, Werner \
Punz<br> >>>> >>>>>> <<a \
href="mailto:werner.punz@gmail.com" target="_blank">werner.punz@gmail.com</a>><br> \
>>>> >>>>>> wrote:<br> >>>> \
>>>>>>><br> >>>> >>>>>>> +1<br>
>>>> >>>>>>><br>
>>>> >>>>>>> Am 10/21/11 7:56 PM, schrieb Leonardo \
Uribe:<br> >>>> >>>>>>>><br>
>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi<br>
>>>> >>>>>>>><br>
>>>> >>>>>>>> That's the intention of this \
mail. I think we should do an alpha<br> >>>> \
>>>>>>>> release. I don't see reasons to block a \
release.<br> >>>> >>>>>>>><br>
>>>> >>>>>>>> regards,<br>
>>>> >>>>>>>><br>
>>>> >>>>>>>> Leonardo Uribe<br>
>>>> >>>>>>>><br>
>>>> >>>>>>>> 2011/10/21 Gerhard Petracek<<a \
href="mailto:gerhard.petracek@gmail.com" \
target="_blank">gerhard.petracek@gmail.com</a>>:<br> >>>> \
>>>>>>>>><br> >>>> \
>>>>>>>>> before we release it, we should (imo) discuss \
the future of this<br> >>>> >>>>>>>>> \
module.<br> >>>> >>>>>>>>><br>
>>>> >>>>>>>>> regards,<br>
>>>> >>>>>>>>> gerhard<br>
>>>> >>>>>>>>><br>
>>>> >>>>>>>>> <a href="http://www.irian.at" \
target="_blank">http://www.irian.at</a><br> >>>> \
>>>>>>>>><br> >>>> \
>>>>>>>>> Your JSF powerhouse -<br> >>>> \
>>>>>>>>> JSF Consulting, Development and<br> \
>>>> >>>>>>>>> Courses in English and \
German<br> >>>> >>>>>>>>><br>
>>>> >>>>>>>>> Professional Support for Apache \
MyFaces<br> >>>> >>>>>>>>><br>
>>>> >>>>>>>>><br>
>>>> >>>>>>>>> 2011/10/21 Leonardo Uribe<<a \
href="mailto:lu4242@gmail.com" target="_blank">lu4242@gmail.com</a>><br> \
>>>> >>>>>>>>>><br> >>>> \
>>>>>>>>>> Hi<br> >>>> \
>>>>>>>>>><br> >>>> \
>>>>>>>>>> It could be good to do an alpha release of \
myfaces html5 next<br> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> \
week.<br> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> The site for this \
project is:<br> >>>> >>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>> <a \
href="http://myfaces.apache.org/html5/" \
target="_blank">http://myfaces.apache.org/html5/</a><br> >>>> \
>>>>>>>>>><br> >>>> \
>>>>>>>>>> If no objections I'll do the necessary \
steps.<br> >>>> >>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>> regards,<br>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Leonardo Uribe<br>
>>>> >>>>>>>>><br>
>>>> >>>>>>>>><br>
>>>> >>>>>>>><br>
>>>> >>>>>>><br>
>>>> >>>>>>><br>
>>>> >>>>>><br>
>>>> >>>>>><br>
>>>> >>>>>><br>
>>>> >>>>>> --<br>
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target="_blank">http://blog.aliok.com.tr</a><br> >>>> \
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target="_blank">http://twitter.com/aliok_tr</a><br> >>>> \
>>>>>><br> >>>> >>>>><br>
>>>> >>>>><br>
>>>> >>>><br>
>>>> >>><br>
>>>> >><br>
>>>> >><br>
>>>> >>--<br>
>>>> >>Grant Smith - V.P. Information Technology<br>
>>>> >>Marathon Computer Systems, LLC.<br>
>>>> >><br>
>>>> >><br>
>>>> ><br>
>>>> ><br>
>>>> ><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>><br>
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