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List:       mutt-dev
Subject:    Re: The future of mutt...
From:       Derek Martin <invalid () pizzashack ! org>
Date:       2013-10-04 4:16:19
Message-ID: 20131004041619.GL13440 () dragontoe ! org
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On Thu, Oct 03, 2013 at 11:21:40AM +0300, Alexander Gattin wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 03, 2013 at 02:46:07AM -0500, Derek Martin wrote:
> > On Thu, Oct 03, 2013 at 10:22:00AM +0300, Alexander Gattin wrote:
> > > I use / ~b <regexp> for searching in IMAP folder.
> > 
> > Yeah, but what if you have 50 folders, and you don't know which
> > one the message you're looking for is in?
> 
> Usually I know approximately where the message is so I don't have to
> search 50 folders or dosens of archives 

Yeah but that's you...  Others do.  This is a feature that's been
requested several times, and it's one I myself would love to have
though I've never said so--as I'm sure many other users who would like
it never have said so.

> > I won't respond to the rest of your points except to say that this
> > has all been argued out before.
> 
> Yes, but you spoke in general words ("behind the times", "largely
> due to its design", "inherent deficiencies", "the interface is not
> uniform or consistent" and so on) and I hate general discussions 

Well then go read the archives where the specifics have been
delineated, as I have already told you three times now, instead of
nagging me to waste my time by repeating them for the tenth time.

> > Exactly. The problem here is that even if you had prepared good
> > patches, the maintainers are too busy and/or too disinterested in
> > your patches to take the time to even look at them
> 
> Well, let's look at my last patch for mutt:
> http://dev.mutt.org/trac/ticket/3566
[...]
> Mind you, the bug was only relevant for mutt+yandex users and for
> limited time, so not the top priority definitely.

What, you want a counter example?  

  http://dev.mutt.org/trac/ticket/3298

 - Had a working patch 4 years ago.  
 - Dev apparently didn't like the patch, wrote his own without a
   single word of comment on the original patch until he submitted his
   own
 - *dev got it wrong* -- did not address the issue at all.
 - A new patch was supplied that worked more like what the dev had in
   mind, and it has sat in that state ever since, untouched,
   uncommented on.
 - The person who actually submitted the bug has commit privs (now).

There have been lots of cases like this over the years, causing many
people who were interested in contributing to start threads like this
one, or to just simply walk away disgusted.  And this was a small
bug/patch!  Imagine if someone wanted to submit a large feature...

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