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List:       mumps-l
Subject:    Re: KP & M (was: Cache users)
From:       Nigel Timothy Salm <nigel () intersys ! com>
Date:       2001-02-06 17:24:11
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Hi All

In Caché 4 we support XML. Data can be exported from the database as XML
messages as well as importing data from other XML sources.

Nigel Timothy Salm
Senior Sales Engineer
InterSystems Corporation
Telephone : +972 (0)9-950-6664
Mobile      : +972 (0)54-391-916

-----Original Message-----
From: MUMPS List [mailto:MUMPS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU]On Behalf Of BABIN, BARRY
V.
Sent: 06 February 2001 06:49
To: MUMPS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
Subject: Re: KP & M (was: Cache users)

M Globals have an intelligent structure and M Systems have proven their
worth in ease of  extracting, manipulating and reporting from said
structures.  But, how do you and the community respond to the new paradigm
of XML?

-Barry Babin

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Poxon [mailto:Michael.Poxon@kp.org]
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2001 8:44 AM
To: MUMPS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
Subject: KP & M (was: Cache users)


(Did I ask a question?)

Nigel, I'm not the one you'd need to ask those questions.  I'm an M
programmer who believes in M, and that's all I am.  My comment  was simply
my cynical way of saying that KP as an organization has apparently decided
that it prefers off-the-shelf (sort of) products to home-grown applications,
and since it has embraced Oracle as its national database standard (hope I'm
not saying anything I'm not supposed to!), the pattern has been to choose
Oracle-based third party apps to supplement (and eventually replace?) its M
systems.  (DB, you monitoring this? Feel free to jump right in!)





nigel@intersys.com on 02/05/2001 08:17:00 PM
To:     MUMPS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU@Internet
cc:      (bcc: Michael Poxon/MD/KAIPERM)
Subject:        Re: Cache users

So now we get to the nub of the issue... something better than MUMPS. I
answer this question with a question or two...

1) What is it that you want from a DBMS?
2) What do you perceive you will get from something other than MUMPS?
3) What options are you looking at and why?
4) Do you perceive Caché as just MUMPS?
5) How many man-years do you have invested in your existing application?
6) How rich is your data model?
7) Could you re-model the schema in a pure relational technology?
8) If you were to re-write the application in brand new technologies, how
long would it take?
9) Do you believe the end result would be successful?
10) Do you believe you have all the salient information on Caché and it's
capabilities?
11) Do you have all the facts about migrating MUMPS applications to Caché?

Oh and by the way, some of those likenesses between Bush and the Chimp were
truly scary:)

Nigel Timothy Salm
Senior Sales Engineer
InterSystems Corporation
Telephone : +972 (0)9-950-6664
Mobile      : +972 (0)54-391-916

-----Original Message-----
From: MUMPS List [mailto:MUMPS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU]On Behalf Of Michael Poxon
Sent: 05 February 2001 11:27
To: MUMPS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
Subject: Re: Cache users

On 2/5/01, tom wrote:

>Actually, it's a rather neat study of sim-biotic relationships.
>(Humor, Mike, get it? ;-)

Well, now that you mention it, the resemblance *is* rather striking...

kp.org = Kaiser Permanente, doing its best to replace all M systems with
something "better"...






tomg@admin.nrnet.org on 02/05/2001 01:38:00 PM
To:     MUMPS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU@Internet
cc:      (bcc: Michael Poxon/MD/KAIPERM)
Subject:        Re: Cache users

On Mon, 5 Feb 2001, Michael Poxon wrote:

> On 1/31/01, tom wrote:
>
> >BTW - with your background in veterinary medicine you might enjoy
> >www.bushorchimp.com  (made the cover of last week's Village Voice)
>
> ...and Nigel wrote:
>
> >Love the link!!!
>
> Ah, yes, another thought-provoking contribution to political discourse
> by an embittered left-wing extremist, demonstrating clintonism (actually
> more mcauliffism) at its best!

Actually, it's a rather neat study of sim-biotic relationships.
(Humor, Mike, get it? ;-)

BTW, what does kp.org do?

Cheers,
Tom
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