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From: Aijun Wang <wangaijun () tsinghua ! org ! cn>
Date: 2022-05-18 0:14:32
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Hi, Acee:
I noticed that the base document is in "AD Evaluation" state and if there is no \
objection for the simpler solution for "IP Flex-Algorithm", all the need is to add \
some descriptions under the section " Flex-Algorithm and Forwarding \
Plane"(https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-lsr-flex-algo-19#section-14)
If the above addition is also too late, I can write one draft to describe the \
necessary contents and the backwards solutions, but it will update the base document \
RFC(the above section 14 and may include also the section \
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-lsr-flex-algo-19#section-13.1 ), and \
then we will have two solutions for the IP Flex Algorithm scenarios?
Want to hear the opinions from John, our AD, both documents are in your hands now.
I prefer to rewrite the current IP Flex-Algorithm or update the base document \
directly. Peter, Shraddha are the authors of both documents, it is easier for them to \
accomplish this work.
Aijun Wang
China Telecom
> On May 17, 2022, at 23:17, Acee Lindem (acee) <acee@cisco.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Aijun,
>
> Why you don't you put your proposals in a draft? Independent of the technical \
> soundness, the WG last call is not the time to redefine requirements and redesign \
> functions. There are always multiple ways to solve any problem and there is nothing \
> fundamentally broken with the current IP Flex Algorithm or the requirements we've \
> been working toward for close to two years now. In fact, there are implementations. \
> Just because you believe you have a purpportedly simpler encoding and a different \
> view of backward compatibility doesn't mean the WG is obligated to change \
> direction.
> Thanks,
> Acee
>
> From: Lsr <lsr-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Aijun Wang \
> <wangaijun@tsinghua.org.cn>
> Date: Tuesday, May 17, 2022 at 10:23 AM
> To: Peter Psenak <ppsenak=40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org>
> Cc: Acee Lindem <acee@cisco.com>, John Scudder <jgs@juniper.net>, Ketan Talaulikar \
> <ketant.ietf@gmail.com>, "lsr@ietf.org" <lsr@ietf.org>, \
> "draft-ietf-lsr-ip-flexalgo@ietf.org" \
> <draft-ietf-lsr-ip-flexalgo@ietf.org>
> Subject: Re: [Lsr] [Need AD's Judgement and Explanation] Re: Working Group Last \
> Call for draft-ietf-lsr-ip-flexalgo-04 - "IGP Flexible Algorithms (Flex-Algorithm) \
> In IP Networks"
> Hi, Peter:
> Here is the contradictory:
> The prefixes that associated with SID can exist in multiple Algo and also the \
> algorithm 0. Why the prefixes that don't associate with the SID can't exist in \
> specific Algo and also the algorithm 0? I have provided the solutions for the loop \
> avoidance. If this is only your worry, you can responses the threads that I \
> discussed with Acee.
>
>
> Aijun Wang
> China Telecom
>
>
> On May 17, 2022, at 21:42, Peter Psenak <ppsenak=40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:
>
> Aijun,
>
> On 17/05/2022 15:04, Aijun Wang wrote:
>
> Hi, Peter:
> Based on the statements in \
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-lsr-ip-flexalgo-06#section-6 \
> <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-lsr-ip-flexalgo-06#section-6> as \
> the followings: "To be able to associate the prefix with the Flex-Algorithm, the
> existing prefix reachability advertisements can not be used, because
> they advertise the prefix reachability in default algorithm 0.
> Instead, a new IP Flex-Algorithm reachability advertisements are
> defined in IS-IS and OSPF."
> Then why the FAPM sub-TLV can be included in these prefixes reachability \
> advertisements?
> FAPM is only used for SR MPLS, where the prefix can exist in multiple algos and \
> forwarding is realized via algo specific label(s). In SR MPLS the prefix is always \
> reachable in algo 0.
> In IP flex-algo, the prefix is only associated with a single algo.
>
> thanks,
> Peter
>
>
> Aijun Wang
> China Telecom
> On May 17, 2022, at 19:24, Peter Psenak <ppsenak@cisco.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Aijun,
>
> please see inline:
>
>
> On 17/05/2022 04:10, Aijun Wang wrote:
> Hi, Peter and Acee:
> Then the key issues are the node's capabilities negotiation within one area. Right?
> To deploy the flex-Algo and ensure the forwarding paths are available, should the \
> nodes within one area be all upgraded in advance?
>
> absolutely not. That has never been a requirement for flex-algo. It can be deployed \
> incrementally.
> If so, why we should still worry about the legacy router? If not, how the operators \
> confirm/assures there will be available paths when apply one flex-algorithm? I \
> think it will be a disaster when only some of routers within the area to support \
> some of flex-algorithms.
> no, it will work just fine. Same as if not all routers participate in the \
> particular flex-alago. That is actually one of the deployment scenarios that I've \
> seen being deployed - using flex-algo to create multiple specific planes with a \
> subset of routers only.
>
> Not every node should participate each flex-algorithm, but every node should \
> support the deployed flex-algorithm.
> no, that is absolutely not a requirement.
>
>
> If the above conditions are not met, such algorithm specified prefixes shouldn't be \
> advertised in any node. Based on the above rule, no possible loop will occur. The \
> standard will be also simplified. Or else, why we have the node capabilities \
> advertisements?
> there is no negotiation of the flex-algo support. Only the participation in \
> flex-algo is advertised.
> thanks,
> Peter
>
> Aijun Wang
> China Telecom
> On May 17, 2022, at 01:24, Peter Psenak <ppsenak=40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:
>
> Aijun,
>
> please read the responses from Les and myself on this matter. We can not use legacy \
> advertisement of prefix for IP algp prefixes, because legacy routers would treat \
> this as valid advertisement of prefix in algo-0. If that happens routers with IP \
> algpo support would calculate the path on a different topology than the routers \
> that do not support IP algo. That at the end would result in permanent loops.
> I don't know what else to add. Seems obvious to me.
>
> thanks,
> Peter
>
>
>
>
> On 16/05/2022 17:35, Aijun Wang wrote:
> Hi, Acee:
> I am curious that you are so hurry to forward this document.
> The updated document just describes the followings: \
> (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-lsr-ip-flexalgo-06#section-6 \
> <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-lsr-ip-flexalgo-06#section-6>) \
> "To be able to associate the prefix with the Flex-Algorithm, the existing prefix \
> reachability advertisements can not be used, because they advertise the prefix \
> reachability in default algorithm 0. Instead, a new IP Flex-Algorithm reachability \
> advertisements are defined in IS-IS and OSPF."
> If the above statement is valid, then why the FAPM defined in the base document can \
> be the sub-TLV of existing prefix advertisements? Please also refer to the IANA \
> allocation table https://www.iana.org/assignments/isis-tlv-codepoints/isis-tlv-codepoints.xhtml#isis-tlv-codepoints-advertising-prefix-reachability \
> <https://www.iana.org/assignments/isis-tlv-codepoints/isis-tlv-codepoints.xhtml#isis-tlv-codepoints-advertising-prefix-reachability>
> And, I see no any clue of different flex-Algo will influence each other:
> If the router doesn't support FAPM sub-TLV(doesn't not support flex-Algo) or the \
> FAPM sub-TLV doesn't present in the prefix advertisements , the prefixes will be \
> calculated in algorithm 0. If the router support FAPM sub-TLV(support flex-Algo) \
> and FAPM is present, the associated prefixes will be calculated in the appointed \
> Flex-Algorithm. What's the difficulty?
> I have also noticed your statement in the document write up, but you and the \
> authors' responses to the concerns are unreasonable. Should the AD make the final \
> judgment and give one reasonable explanation? I respect the works of the authors \
> and all the reviewers' and shepherd's efforts, but think this is not the right \
> direction to accomplish the aim. Aijun Wang
> China Telecom
> On May 16, 2022, at 19:50, Acee Lindem (acee) <acee=40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org> \
> wrote:
> Hi Aijun,
>
> We need to support mixed deployments of routers that do and do not support flex \
> algorithm and in these deployments the default algorithm, i.e., algorithm 0, \
> computation must not be impacted. This is clearly stated in the draft. Your \
> suggestion is noted but what you are suggesting doesn't satisfy these requirements. \
> Thanks,
> Acee
>
> *From: *Aijun Wang <wangaijun@tsinghua.org.cn>
> *Date: *Saturday, May 14, 2022 at 11:19 PM
> *To: *Acee Lindem <acee@cisco.com>
> *Cc: *"Peter Psenak (ppsenak)" <ppsenak@cisco.com>, Ketan Talaulikar \
> <ketant.ietf@gmail.com>, "lsr@ietf.org" <lsr@ietf.org>, \
> "draft-ietf-lsr-ip-flexalgo@ietf.org" \
> <draft-ietf-lsr-ip-flexalgo@ietf.org>
> *Subject: *Re: [Lsr] Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-lsr-ip-flexalgo-04 - \
> "IGP Flexible Algorithms (Flex-Algorithm) In IP Networks"
> Hi, Acee and Peter:
> I don't still think this document is necessary, unless you can answer the following \
> questions clearly: 1) Section 5 about the "Advertising IP Flex-Algorithm \
> Reachability" are not necessary, since every FAD has need advertised in the FAD \
> advertisements. There is no such participations advertisements for SR and SRv6 \
> dataplane. Only the node participations should be advertised, as that described in \
> the base document. 2) Section 6 about the "Advertisements IP Flex-Algorithm \
> Reachability" is also redundant. The FAPM defined in the base document can transfer \
> the same information, what's the reason to define the new one? 3) Section 7 can be \
> added to the section 14 "Flex-Algorithm and Forwarding Plane" of the base document. \
> This section just describes how to apply the Flex-Algorithm to different data \
> plane, why not use the FAPM directly to achieve such goal? No new TLV/sub-TLVs are \
> needed. 4) There is no more additional information for section 8-10, compared to \
> the base document. 5) For the IANA part of IS—IS, redundant information will be \
> exist in two code points. The inconsistency will be emerged later when the \
> additional sub-TLV is added under this code point.
> In conclusion, reusing the FAPM is the right direction to solve the mentioned use \
> case in the updated draft.
> Aijun Wang
> China Telecom
>
> On May 14, 2022, at 04:29, Acee Lindem (acee) <acee=40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org> \
> wrote:
> Hi Peter,
>
> Thanks for addressing the WG last comments relating to terminology and IGP \
> flex-algorithm data-plane granularity. I also have some editorial comments \
> attached. These include:
> 1. Remove "new" from the text since these specifications will not be new when they \
> are published. 2. Fix the reference to the OSPFv3 Router Information Opaque LSA. As \
> you know, there are no opaque LSAs in OSPFv3 since OSPFv3 natively supports LSA \
> compatibility. 3. Replace "ISIS" with "IS-IS".
> 4. Use American English spellings consistent with RFC style.
>
> One comments, for situations where we don't install any route in the data-plane, \
> should we recommend logging an error? For example, in RFC 7684, we say:
> This situation SHOULD be logged as an error.
>
> I was tempted to hyphenate "Flex-algorithm specific" and "algorithm specific" but \
> didn't since they aren't in the base Flex-Algo specification.
> Thanks,
> Acee
>
>
>
>
>
> On 5/13/22, 9:59 AM, "Lsr on behalf of Peter Psenak" <lsr-bounces@ietf.org on \
> behalf of ppsenak=40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:
> Hi Ketan,
>
> sure, thanks for catching those, I'll fix them in next revision.
>
> thanks,
> Peter
>
>
> On 13/05/2022 15:32, Ketan Talaulikar wrote:
> Hi Peter,
>
> Thanks for your updates to the draft and your responses below.
>
> I would like to point out a few remaining points to be fixed/addressed.
>
> a) There is a discrepancy regarding the size of the Metric field for the
> OSPFv2 IP Algo Reachability sub-TLV between the figure and the text
> description. The text needs to be fixed to reflect 4 octets size.
>
> b) For the OSPFv3 IP Algo Prefix Reachability sub-TLV the Type should be
> 2 octets and the discrepancy in the sub-TLV name in the Figure needs to
> be corrected. Length should now become 8.
>
> c) The references to the sections of draft-lsr-flex-algo in this
> document need corrections in Sec 7 ? In general, I think the references
> to the base draft sections 11, 12, and 13 (except that M-flag is always
> used) would be helpful.
>
> Thanks,
> Ketan
>
> On Wed, May 11, 2022 at 3:20 PM Peter Psenak <ppsenak@cisco.com
> <mailto:ppsenak@cisco.com <mailto:ppsenak@cisco.com>>> wrote:
>
> Hi Ketan,
>
>
> please see inline (##PP):
>
> On 11/04/2022 08:25, Ketan Talaulikar wrote:
> Hello All,
>
> Following are some comments on this draft:
>
> 1) Is this draft about opening the use of all IGP Algorithms for IP
> (Algo) Routing or intended to be specific to Flexible Algorithms
> (i.e.
> algo 128-255) alone. I think it is important to specify the scope
> unambiguously. Perhaps it makes sense to restrict the usage in this
> particular document to FlexAlgorithms alone. If not, the draft
> probably
> needs an update and we need to also cover algo 1 (Strict SPF)
> applicability and update the text to refer more generically to
> algo-specific IP routing.
>
> ##PP
> Done
>
>
> 2) The relationship between the algo usage for IP FlexAlgo and other
> data planes (e.g. FlexAlgo with SR) is not very clear. There arise
> complications when the algo usage for IP FlexAlgo overlap with other
> (say SR) data planes since the FAD is shared but the node
> participation
> is not shared. While Sec 9 suggests that we can work through these
> complications, I question the need for such complexity. The FlexAlgo
> space is large enough to allow it to be shared between various data
> planes without overlap. My suggestion would be to neither carve out
> parallel algo spaces within IGPs for various types of FlexAlgo data
> planes nor allow the same algo to be used by both IP and SR data
> planes.
> So that we have a single topology computation in the IGP for a given
> algo based on its FAD and data plane participation and then when it
> comes to prefix calculation, the results could involve
> programming of
> entries in respective forwarding planes based on the signaling of
> the
> respective prefix reachabilities. The coverage of these aspects in a
> dedicated section upfront will help.
>
> ##PP
> this has been discussed previously in this thread.
>
>
>
> 3) This draft makes assertions that IGP FlexAlgo cannot be deployed
> without SR. This is not true since the base IGP FlexAlgo spec
> explicitly
> opens it up for usage outside of the SR forwarding plane. We already
> have BIER and MLDP forwarding planes as users of the IGP
> FlexAlgo. My
> suggestion is to remove such assertions from the document. It is
> sufficient to just say that the document enables the use of IGP
> FlexAlgo
> for IP prefixes with native IP forwarding.
>
> ##PP
> Done
>
>
> 4) The draft is mixing up "address" and "prefix" in some places. IGP
> path computation is for prefixes and not addresses. There are a few
> instances where "address" should be replaced by "prefix".
> References to
> RFC791 and RFC8200 seem unnecessary.
>
>
> ##PP
> Done
>
>
> 5) The draft does not cover the actual deployment use-case or
> applicability of IP FlexAlgo. The text in Sec 3 is not clear and
> insufficient. What is the point/use of sending traffic to a
> loopback of
> the egress router? Perhaps it makes sense in a deployment where
> IP-in-IP
> encapsulation is used for delivering an overlay service? If so,
> would be
> better to clarify this. The other deployment scenario is where
> "external" or "host/leaf prefixes" are associated with a FlexAlgo to
> provide them a different/appropriate routing path through the
> network.
> Yet another is the use of IP FlexAlgo along with LDP. Sec 9 does not
> address the topic well enough. I would suggest expanding and
> clarifying
> this and perhaps other such deployment use cases (or
> applicability) in
> the document in one of the earlier sections to provide a better
> context
> to the reader.
>
>
> ##PP
> Done
>
>
>
> 6) It would be better to move the common (i.e. not protocol
> specific)
> text from 5.1 and 5.2 under 5. This might also apply to some
> extent to
> the contents of sec 6.
>
>
> ##PP
> Done. For section 6, I would prefer to keep it in the protocol specific
> sections.
>
>
> 7) Most of the text with MUSTs in sec 5 doesn't really make sense in
> repeating - this is covered in the base FlexAlgo spec already.
> The only
> key/important MUST is the one related to using separate algo for IP
> FlexAlgo over SR data planes. See my previous comment (2) above.
>
> ##PP
> I prefer to keep the MUSTs there
>
>
> 8) Sec 5.1, the SHOULD needs to be MUST in the text below.
>
> A router receiving multiple IP Algorithm
> sub-TLVs from the same originator SHOULD select the first
> advertisement in the lowest-numbered LSP and subsequent
> instances of
> the IP Algorithm Sub-TLV MUST be ignored.
>
> ##PP
> Done.
>
>
>
> 9) Sec 5.1, I would suggest changing the following text as
> indicated.
> Also, perhaps add that the algo 0 MUST NOT be advertised and a
> receiver
> MUST ignore if it receives algo 0.
> OLD
>
> The IP Algorithm Sub-TLV could be used to advertise
> support for non-zero standard algorithms, but that is outside the
> scope of this document.
>
> NEW
>
> The use of IP Algorithm Sub-TLV to advertise support for
> algorithms
>
> outside the flex-algorithm range is outside the
> scope of this document.
>
> ##PP
> Done
>
>
>
> 10) Sec 5.1, the SHOULD needs to be MUST in the text below
>
> The IP Algorithm TLV is optional. It SHOULD only be
> advertised once
> in the Router Information Opaque LSA.
>
> ##PP
> Done
>
>
>
> 11) Sec 6. The following text is better moved into the respective
> protocol sub-sections. OSPFv3 is not covered anyway by it.
>
> Two new top-level TLVs are defined in ISIS [ISO10589
> <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-lsr-ip-flexalgo#ref-ISO10589
> <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-lsr-ip-flexalgo#ref-ISO10589 \
> <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-lsr-ip-flexalgo#ref-ISO10589>>>] \
> to advertise prefix reachability associated with a Flex-Algorithm.
>
> * The IPv4 Algorithm Prefix Reachability TLV
>
> * The IPv6 Algorithm Prefix Reachability TLV
>
> New top-level TLV of OSPFv2 Extended Prefix Opaque LSA
> [RFC7684 <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc7684
> <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc7684 \
> <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc7684>>>] is defined to advertise prefix \
> reachability associated with a Flex- Algorithm in OSPFv2.
>
> ##PP
> Done
>
>
> 12) Sec 6.1 & 6.2. There is no discussion regd the use of the Prefix
> Attribute Flags sub-TLV with the new top-level TLVs.
>
> I think their usage MUST (or at least SHOULD) be included as it
> helps
> determine the route type and prefix attributes that
>
> have proven to be quite useful for various use cases and deployments.
>
> ##PP
>
> Why? We have a text that says:
>
> "This new TLV shares the sub-TLV space defined for TLVs 135, 235, 236
> and 237."
>
> Why do we need to describe the usage of the specific sub-TLV?
>
>
>
> 13) Sec 6.2 what happens when the same prefix is advertised as SRv6
> Locator as well as IPv6 Algo Prefix (same or conflicting algos).
> Perhaps
> both must be ignored?
>
> The same applies for OSPFv3 as well.
>
> ##PP
> Done
>
>
>
> 14) Sec 6.3, OSPFv2 MT-ID reference should be RFC4915. Perhaps
> the range
> of MT should be mentioned since it is a 8 bit field here.
>
> ##PP
> Done
>
>
>
> 15) Sec 6.4, the metric field in the sub-TLV has to be 32-bit. While
> 24-bit is ok when the FAD uses IGP metric, it will not suffice
> for other
> IGP metric types.
>
> ##PP
> Done
>
>
>
> 16) Sec 6.3 & 6.4, the conflict checking with base algo 0 prefix
> reachability cannot be limited only to the OSPFv2/3 Extended LSAs
> but
> should also cover the base fixed form >
> OSPFv2/v3 LSAs. We could use a more generic term like "normal prefix
> reachability" advertisements perhaps to cover the different LSAs?
>
> ##PP
> Done
>
>
>
>
> 17) Sec 7 and 8, suggest to not use the term "application" to avoid
> confusion with ASLA. My understanding is that there is a single
> FlexAlgo
> application when it comes to ASLA.
>
> Perhaps the intention here is "data plane" ?
>
> ##PP
> Done
>
>
>
> 18) The relationship between the BIER IPA and this draft needs some
> clarifications - should the BIER WG be notified if they want to
> update
> draft-ietf-bier-bar-ipa?
>
> This (in some way) goes back to my comment (2) above.
>
> ##PP
> I don't see the relationship to BIER IPA here.
>
>
>
> 19) Sec 8, what prevents the use of IP FlexAlgo paths programmed
> by LDP
> as well. Or if the intention is to use them strictly for IP
> forwarding only
>
> then this needs to be clarified.
>
> ##PP
> nothing prevents someone to advertise LDP label for the IP algo-prefix
> and use it with the labeled forwarding. I don't see a problem. But this
> specification does not specify any of it.
>
>
>
> 20) The following text in Sec 9 is about using the same FlexAlgo
> (with a
> common definition) for multiple data-planes at the same time. The
> key is
> that we only are able to use
>
> prefix in one algo/data-plane? I am wondering if we can improve this
> text to bring this out in a better way. Or altogether remove this
> if we
> agree to not allow sharing of algo
>
> between different data planes to keep things simple.
>
> Multiple application can use the same Flex-Algorithm value at the
>
> same time and and as such share the FAD for it. For example
> SR-MPLS
> and IP can both use such common Flex-Algorithm. Traffic for
> SR-MPLS
> will be forwarded based on Flex-algorithm specific SR SIDs.
> Traffic
> for IP Flex-Algorithm will be forwarded based on Flex-Algorithm
> specific prefix reachability announcements.
>
> ##PP
> Done.
>
> thanks,
> Peter
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ketan
>
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 8, 2022 at 12:38 AM Acee Lindem (acee)
> <acee=40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org
> <mailto:40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org <mailto:40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org>>
> <mailto:40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org
> <mailto:40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org <mailto:40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org>>>> wrote:
>
> This begins a WG last call for
> draft-ietf-lsr-ip-flexalgo-04. The
> draft had a lot of support and discussion initially and has been
> stable for some time. Please review and send your comments,
> support,
> or objection to this list before 12 AM UTC on April 22^nd ,
> 2022.____
>
> __ __
>
> Thanks,
> Acee____
>
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content="text/html; charset=utf-8">Hi, Acee:<div>I noticed that the base document is \
in "AD Evaluation" state and if there is no objection for the simpler solution for \
"IP Flex-Algorithm", all the need is to add some descriptions under the section \
"<span style="font-size: 1em; font-weight: bold; white-space: pre; \
-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"> Flex-Algorithm and Forwarding Plane"</span>(<a \
href="https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-lsr-flex-algo-19#section-14">ht \
tps://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-lsr-flex-algo-19#section-14</a>)</div><div><br></div><div>If \
the above addition is also too late, I can write one draft to describe the necessary \
contents and the backwards solutions, but it will update the base document RFC(the \
above section 14 and may include also the section <a \
href="https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-lsr-flex-algo-19#section-13.1"> \
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-lsr-flex-algo-19#section-13.1 </a>), \
and then we will have two solutions for the IP Flex Algorithm \
scenarios? </div><div><br></div><div>Want to hear the opinions from John, our \
AD, both documents are in your hands now. </div><div><br></div><div>I prefer to \
rewrite the current IP Flex-Algorithm or update the base document directly. \
Peter, <span style="font-size: 1em; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;">Shraddha \
are the authors of both documents, it is easier for them to accomplish this \
work.</span></div><div><br></div><div><br><div dir="ltr">Aijun Wang<div>China \
Telecom</div></div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On May 17, 2022, at \
23:17, Acee Lindem (acee) <acee@cisco.com> \
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Aijun, <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Why you don't you put your proposals in a draft? Independent of \
the technical soundness, the WG last call is not the time to redefine requirements \
and redesign functions. There are always multiple ways to solve any problem and there \
is nothing fundamentally broken with the current IP Flex Algorithm or the \
requirements we've been working toward for close to two years now. In fact, there are \
implementations. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Just because you believe you have a purpportedly simpler \
encoding and a different view of backward compatibility doesn't mean the WG is \
obligated to change direction.<o:p></o:p></p> <p \
class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal">Thanks,<br>
Acee<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span \
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Lsr <lsr-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of \
Aijun Wang <wangaijun@tsinghua.org.cn><br> <b>Date: </b>Tuesday, May 17, 2022 \
at 10:23 AM<br> <b>To: </b>Peter Psenak \
<ppsenak=40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org><br> <b>Cc: </b>Acee Lindem \
<acee@cisco.com>, John Scudder <jgs@juniper.net>, Ketan Talaulikar \
<ketant.ietf@gmail.com>, "lsr@ietf.org" <lsr@ietf.org>, \
"draft-ietf-lsr-ip-flexalgo@ietf.org" <draft-ietf-lsr-ip-flexalgo@ietf.org><br> \
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Lsr] [Need AD's Judgement and Explanation] Re: Working Group \
Last Call for draft-ietf-lsr-ip-flexalgo-04 - "IGP Flexible Algorithms \
(Flex-Algorithm) In IP Networks"<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">Hi, Peter:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">Here is the \
contradictory:<o:p></o:p></p> </div>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">The prefixes that associated with SID \
can exist in multiple Algo and also the algorithm 0.<o:p></o:p></p> </div>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">Why the prefixes that don't associate \
with the SID can't exist in specific Algo and also the algorithm 0?<o:p></o:p></p> \
</div> <div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">I have provided the solutions for the \
loop avoidance. If this is only your worry, you can responses the threads that I \
discussed with Acee.<br> <br>
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On May 17, 2022, at 21:42, Peter Psenak <ppsenak=40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org> \
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">Aijun,<br>
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On 17/05/2022 15:04, Aijun Wang wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">Hi, Peter:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">Based on the statements in \
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-lsr-ip-flexalgo-06#section-6 \
<https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-lsr-ip-flexalgo-06#section-6> as \
the followings:<o:p></o:p></p> </blockquote>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">"To be able to associate the prefix \
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"> existing prefix \
reachability advertisements can not be used, because<o:p></o:p></p> </blockquote>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"> they advertise the \
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"> Instead, a new IP \
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"> defined in IS-IS and \
OSPF."<o:p></o:p></p> </blockquote>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">Then why the FAPM sub-TLV can be \
included in these prefixes reachability advertisements?<o:p></o:p></p> </blockquote>
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FAPM is only used for SR MPLS, where the prefix can exist in multiple algos and \
forwarding is realized via algo specific label(s). In SR MPLS the prefix is always \
reachable in algo 0.<br> <br>
In IP flex-algo, the prefix is only associated with a single algo.<br>
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thanks,<br>
Peter<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">Hi, Peter and Acee:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">Then the key issues are the node's \
capabilities negotiation within one area. Right?<o:p></o:p></p> </blockquote>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">To deploy the flex-Algo and ensure the \
forwarding paths are available, should the nodes within one area be all \
upgraded in advance?<o:p></o:p></p> </blockquote>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">absolutely not. That has never been a \
requirement for flex-algo. It can be deployed incrementally.<o:p></o:p></p> \
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"> If so, why we should still worry \
about the legacy router? If not, how the operators confirm/assures there will be \
available paths when apply one flex-algorithm? I think it will be a disaster when \
only some of routers within the area to support some of \
flex-algorithms.<o:p></o:p></p> </blockquote>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">no, it will work just fine. Same as if \
not all routers participate in the particular flex-alago. That is actually one of the \
deployment scenarios that I've seen being deployed - using flex-algo to create \
multiple specific planes with a subset of routers only.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">Not every node should participate each \
flex-algorithm, but every node should support the deployed \
flex-algorithm.<o:p></o:p></p> </blockquote>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">no, that is absolutely not a \
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">If the above conditions are not met, \
such algorithm specified prefixes shouldn't be advertised in any node.<o:p></o:p></p> \
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">Based on the above rule, no possible \
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">Or else, why we have the node \
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">there is no negotiation of the \
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myself on this matter. We can not use legacy advertisement of prefix for IP algp \
prefixes, because legacy routers would treat this as valid advertisement of prefix in \
algo-0. If that happens routers with IP algpo support would calculate the path on a \
different topology than the routers that do not support IP algo. That at the end \
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">The updated document just describes the \
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"> existing prefix \
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"> they advertise the \
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"> Instead, a new IP \
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sub-TLV(doesn't not support flex-Algo) or the FAPM sub-TLV doesn't present in the \
prefix advertisements , the prefixes will be calculated in algorithm 0. If the router \
support FAPM sub-TLV(support flex-Algo) and FAPM is present, the associated prefixes \
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routers that do and do not support flex algorithm and in these deployments the \
default algorithm, i.e., algorithm 0, computation must not be impacted. This is \
clearly stated in the draft. Your suggestion is noted but what you are suggesting \
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