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Subject:    Re: [mpls] Poll 2: New SPL vs re-purposed ELI for carrying Network Action Indicators
From:       <bruno.decraene () orange ! com>
Date:       2022-06-20 16:37:05
Message-ID: 12072_1655743025_62B0A231_12072_496_1_bac2dc28194a40239816b27f1e2dca12 () orange ! com
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Hi Greg,


From: Greg Mirsky <gregimirsky@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2022 6:19 PM
To: DECRAENE Bruno INNOV/NET <bruno.decraene@orange.com>
Cc: Tony Li <tony.li@tony.li>; Zafar Ali (zali) <zali@cisco.com>; mpls@ietf=
.org; pals-chairs@ietf.org; mpls-chairs@ietf.org; DetNet Chairs <detnet-cha=
irs@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [mpls] Poll 2: New SPL vs re-purposed ELI for carrying Network=
 Action Indicators

Hi Bruno,
thank you for the clarification, that helps a lot. From the perspective of =
MNA requirements, I'd imagine that supporting the association of meta-data =
with MNAI is essential and any proposal we adopt must have it. If that is t=
he case, what is the role of a stand-alone document that is limited to EL a=
nd Slice-ID? Why wouldn't it be a section of a document that addresses all =
the MNA requirements?

Why would all components of the solutions (e.g. indicators, post-stack data=
, in-stack data) would need to be defined in a single document?
And even assuming a single "document that addresses all the MNA requirement=
s", why would that document could not reference other documents for some co=
mponents?

At this point of editorial comments, I guess that you don't have further te=
chnical comments on draft-decraene-mpls-slid-encoded-entropy-label-id.

Regards,
--Bruno

Regards,
Greg

On Mon, Jun 20, 2022 at 8:38 AM <bruno.decraene@orange.com<mailto:bruno.dec=
raene@orange.com>> wrote:
Hi Greg,

Please see inline [Bruno]

From: Greg Mirsky <gregimirsky@gmail.com<mailto:gregimirsky@gmail.com>>
Sent: Friday, June 17, 2022 9:56 PM

Hi Bruno,
thank you for the expedient response. If I understand you correctly, PSD ca=
n be used as part of draft-decraene-mpls-slid-encoded-entropy-label-id.
[Bruno] I would phrase it differently:
- draft-decraene-mpls-slid-encoded-entropy-label-id can be used to carry 8 =
indicators in the stack while being usable with existing LSP Egress (more i=
ndicators would require extension on the LSP egress)
- one of these indicators may be used to indicate the presence of PSD. The =
format/solution for PSD is orthogonal; one example being https://datatracke=
r.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-jags-mpls-ext-hdr-00#section-5

Regards,
--Bruno

If that is the case, I think adding more information on how PSD can be used=
 by the mechanism described in draft-decraene-mpls-slid-encoded-entropy-lab=
el-id would be helpful.

Regards,
Greg



On Fri, Jun 17, 2022 at 9:54 AM <bruno.decraene@orange.com<mailto:bruno.dec=
raene@orange.com>> wrote:
Hi Greg,

Please see inline [Bruno]

From: Greg Mirsky <gregimirsky@gmail.com<mailto:gregimirsky@gmail.com>>
Sent: Friday, June 17, 2022 5:46 PM
To: DECRAENE Bruno INNOV/NET <bruno.decraene@orange.com<mailto:bruno.decrae=
ne@orange.com>>
Cc: Tony Li <tony.li@tony.li<mailto:tony.li@tony.li>>; Zafar Ali (zali) <za=
li@cisco.com<mailto:zali@cisco.com>>; mpls@ietf.org<mailto:mpls@ietf.org>; =
pals-chairs@ietf.org<mailto:pals-chairs@ietf.org>; mpls-chairs@ietf.org<mai=
lto:mpls-chairs@ietf.org>; DetNet Chairs <detnet-chairs@ietf.org<mailto:det=
net-chairs@ietf.org>>
Subject: Re: [mpls] Poll 2: New SPL vs re-purposed ELI for carrying Network=
 Action Indicators

Hi Bruno,
you've said that your proposal allows for up to 8 MNA indicators. How do yo=
u envision the encoding of data associated with these indicators?

[Bruno] Two paths :
- post stack data.
- in-stack data located after the ELI, EL e.g. as proposed in draft-jags-mp=
ls-ext-hdr (but different encoding would also work)

At this point, post-stack data is probably my preference as the use of the =
label stack is already specified/used hence brings constraints.

Regards,
--Bruno



Re-use the EL space? Or these can be only no-data MNAIs?

Regards,
Greg

On Fri, Jun 17, 2022 at 2:03 AM <bruno.decraene@orange.com<mailto:bruno.dec=
raene@orange.com>> wrote:
Tony,



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From: Tony Li <tony1athome@gmail.com<mailto:tony1athome@gmail.com>> On Beha=
lf Of Tony Li
Sent: Friday, June 17, 2022 5:26 AM
To: Zafar Ali (zali) <zali@cisco.com<mailto:zali@cisco.com>>
Cc: Kireeti Kompella <kireeti.ietf@gmail.com<mailto:kireeti.ietf@gmail.com>=
>; DECRAENE Bruno INNOV/NET <bruno.decraene@orange.com<mailto:bruno.decraen=
e@orange.com>>; mpls@ietf.org<mailto:mpls@ietf.org>; pals-chairs@ietf.org<m=
ailto:pals-chairs@ietf.org>; mpls-chairs@ietf.org<mailto:mpls-chairs@ietf.o=
rg>; DetNet Chairs <detnet-chairs@ietf.org<mailto:detnet-chairs@ietf.org>>
Subject: Re: [mpls] Poll 2: New SPL vs re-purposed ELI for carrying Network=
 Action Indicators


Zafar,

Again, my problem with Bruno's draft is that the limited space found in the=
 ELI/EL LSE's is clearly insufficient to begin to capture the use cases tha=
t we already can foresee for MNA, much less provide any room for growth.  I=
t doesn't scale. We need more bits.

[Bruno] Thank you for providing a technical argument.
draft-decraene-mpls-slid-encoded-entropy-label-id provides 8 indicators whi=
le being backward compatible with existing egress/signaling.
If more are required, solution can be extended to provide more indicators (=
and data) but at the cost of requiring new dataplane feature on the LSR egr=
ess (and new signaling). Just like the proposals using a new SPL.
The net benefit is that in the short/medium term more devices/deployments c=
an start using those 8 indicators, while waiting for the new generation to =
support the new proposal.

Regards,
--Bruno




For that reason alone, Bruno's draft is not a tenable solution to MNA and d=
iscussing it further is pointless.

Tony


On Jun 16, 2022, at 7:32 PM, Zafar Ali (zali) <zali@cisco.com<mailto:zali@c=
isco.com>> wrote:

Tony, Kireeti,

So "I do not want to modify my current implementation" is the argument to s=
top people interested in Bruno's draft from using it?
If such HW can/ need be modified to implement the new complex encoding sche=
me you proposed, why it cannot implement simple encoding in Bruno's draft?

Please also look at  https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-decraene-m=
pls-slid-encoded-entropy-label-id-04#section-4.4 and https://datatracker.ie=
tf.org/doc/html/draft-decraene-mpls-slid-encoded-entropy-label-id-04#sectio=
n-4.5

Thanks

Regards ... Zafar


From: Tony Li <tony1athome@gmail.com<mailto:tony1athome@gmail.com>> on beha=
lf of Tony Li <tony.li@tony.li<mailto:tony.li@tony.li>>
Date: Thursday, June 16, 2022 at 3:10 PM
To: "Zafar Ali (zali)" <zali@cisco.com<mailto:zali@cisco.com>>
Cc: Kireeti Kompella <kireeti.ietf@gmail.com<mailto:kireeti.ietf@gmail.com>=
>, "bruno.decraene@orange.com<mailto:bruno.decraene@orange.com>" <bruno.dec=
raene@orange.com<mailto:bruno.decraene@orange.com>>, "mpls@ietf.org<mailto:=
mpls@ietf.org>" <mpls@ietf.org<mailto:mpls@ietf.org>>, "pals-chairs@ietf.or=
g<mailto:pals-chairs@ietf.org>" <pals-chairs@ietf.org<mailto:pals-chairs@ie=
tf.org>>, "mpls-chairs@ietf.org<mailto:mpls-chairs@ietf.org>" <mpls-chairs@=
ietf.org<mailto:mpls-chairs@ietf.org>>, DetNet Chairs <detnet-chairs@ietf.o=
rg<mailto:detnet-chairs@ietf.org>>
Subject: Re: [mpls] Poll 2: New SPL vs re-purposed ELI for carrying Network=
 Action Indicators




The draft has been implemented for the exact (SLID) use-case on hardware pl=
atforms based on Broadcom Jericho2 family of ASIC
Please take a look at https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-decraene-=
mpls-slid-encoded-entropy-label-id-04#section-7
No such issue was noted


And Jericho2 is the only thing that counts in the entire world?

T


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<p class="MsoNormal"><span \
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Hi \
Greg,<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span \
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><b><span \
style="mso-fareast-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;">From:</span></b><span \
style="mso-fareast-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;"> Greg Mirsky \
&lt;gregimirsky@gmail.com&gt; <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, June 20, 2022 6:19 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> DECRAENE Bruno INNOV/NET &lt;bruno.decraene@orange.com&gt;<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Tony Li &lt;tony.li@tony.li&gt;; Zafar Ali (zali) &lt;zali@cisco.com&gt;; \
mpls@ietf.org; pals-chairs@ietf.org; mpls-chairs@ietf.org; DetNet Chairs \
&lt;detnet-chairs@ietf.org&gt;<br> <b>Subject:</b> Re: [mpls] Poll 2: New SPL vs \
re-purposed ELI for carrying Network Action Indicators<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Hi Bruno,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">thank you for the clarification, that \
helps a lot. From the perspective&nbsp;of MNA requirements, I'd imagine that \
supporting the association of meta-data with MNAI is essential and any proposal we \
adopt must have  it. If that is the case, what is the role of a stand-alone document \
that is limited to EL and Slice-ID? Why wouldn't it be a section of a document that \
addresses all the MNA requirements?<o:p></o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span \
lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;mso-ansi-language:EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
 <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" \
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;mso-ansi-language:EN-US">Why \
would all components of the solutions (e.g. indicators, post-stack data, in-stack \
data) would need to be defined in a single document?<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p \
class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" \
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;mso-ansi-language:EN-US">And \
even assuming a single &#8220;</span><span lang="EN-US" \
style="mso-ansi-language:EN-US">document that addresses all the MNA \
requirements&#8221;,  why would that document could not reference other documents for \
some components?<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" \
style="mso-ansi-language:EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p> <p \
class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-ansi-language:EN-US">At this point of \
editorial comments, I guess that you don&#8217;t have further technical comments on \
draft-decraene-mpls-slid-encoded-entropy-label-id.<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p \
class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" \
style="mso-ansi-language:EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p> <p \
class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" \
style="mso-ansi-language:EN-US">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p \
class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" \
style="mso-ansi-language:EN-US">--Bruno</span><span lang="EN-US" \
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;mso-ansi-language:EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="mso-ansi-language:EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p> </div>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Greg<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">On Mon, Jun 20, 2022 at 8:38 AM \
&lt;<a href="mailto:bruno.decraene@orange.com">bruno.decraene@orange.com</a>&gt; \
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p> </div>
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<p class="MsoNormal" \
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt"> <span \
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif">Hi \
Greg,</span><o:p></o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal" \
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt"> <span \
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
 <p class="MsoNormal" \
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt"> <span \
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif">Please see inline \
[Bruno]</span><o:p></o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal" \
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt"> <span \
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" \
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:70.8pt;mso-outline-level:1">
 <b>From:</b> Greg Mirsky &lt;<a href="mailto:gregimirsky@gmail.com" \
target="_blank">gregimirsky@gmail.com</a>&gt; <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, June 17, 2022 9:56 PM<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" \
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt"> \
&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p> <div>
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<p class="MsoNormal" \
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt"> Hi \
Bruno,<o:p></o:p></p> <div>
<p class="MsoNormal" \
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt"> thank \
you for the expedient response. If I understand you correctly, PSD can be used as \
part of&nbsp;draft-decraene-mpls-slid-encoded-entropy-label-id.<o:p></o:p></p> <p \
class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt">
 <span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;mso-ansi-language:EN-US">[Bruno] \
I would phrase it differently:</span><o:p></o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal" \
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt"> <span \
lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;mso-ansi-language:EN-US">-
 </span><span lang="EN-US" \
style="mso-ansi-language:EN-US">draft-decraene-mpls-slid-encoded-entropy-label-id can \
be used to carry 8 indicators in the stack while being usable with existing LSP \
Egress (more indicators would require extension on the LSP \
egress)</span><o:p></o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal" \
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt"> <span \
lang="EN-US" style="mso-ansi-language:EN-US">- one of these indicators may be used to \
indicate the presence of PSD. The format/solution for PSD is orthogonal; one example \
being <a href="https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-jags-mpls-ext-hdr-00#section-5" \
target="_blank"> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-jags-mpls-ext-hdr-00#section-5</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
 <p class="MsoNormal" \
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt"> <span \
lang="EN-US" style="mso-ansi-language:EN-US">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p> <p \
class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt">
 <span lang="EN-US" style="mso-ansi-language:EN-US">Regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" \
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt"> <span \
lang="EN-US" style="mso-ansi-language:EN-US">--Bruno</span><o:p></o:p></p> <p \
class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt">
 <span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;mso-ansi-language:EN-US">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
 <p class="MsoNormal" \
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt"> <span \
lang="EN-US" style="mso-ansi-language:EN-US">If that is&nbsp;the case, I think adding \
more information on how PSD can be used by the mechanism described \
in&nbsp;draft-decraene-mpls-slid-encoded-entropy-label-id would be \
helpful.</span><o:p></o:p></p> </div>
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<p class="MsoNormal" \
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt"> <span \
lang="EN-US" style="mso-ansi-language:EN-US">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p> </div>
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<p class="MsoNormal" \
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt"> \
Regards,<o:p></o:p></p> </div>
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<p class="MsoNormal" \
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt"> \
Greg<o:p></o:p></p> </div>
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<p class="MsoNormal" \
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt"> \
&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p> </div>
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<p class="MsoNormal" \
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt"> \
&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p> </div>
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<p class="MsoNormal" \
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt"> \
&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p> <div>
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<p class="MsoNormal" \
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt"> On \
Fri, Jun 17, 2022 at 9:54 AM &lt;<a href="mailto:bruno.decraene@orange.com" \
target="_blank">bruno.decraene@orange.com</a>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></p> </div>
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<p class="MsoNormal" \
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt"> <span \
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif">Hi \
Greg,</span><o:p></o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal" \
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt"> <span \
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
 <p class="MsoNormal" \
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt"> <span \
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif">Please see inline \
[Bruno]</span><o:p></o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal" \
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt"> <span \
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" \
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt;mso-outline-level:1">
 <b>From:</b> Greg Mirsky &lt;<a href="mailto:gregimirsky@gmail.com" \
target="_blank">gregimirsky@gmail.com</a>&gt; <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, June 17, 2022 5:46 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> DECRAENE Bruno INNOV/NET &lt;<a href="mailto:bruno.decraene@orange.com" \
target="_blank">bruno.decraene@orange.com</a>&gt;<br> <b>Cc:</b> Tony Li &lt;<a \
href="mailto:tony.li@tony.li" target="_blank">tony.li@tony.li</a>&gt;; Zafar Ali \
(zali) &lt;<a href="mailto:zali@cisco.com" target="_blank">zali@cisco.com</a>&gt;; <a \
href="mailto:mpls@ietf.org" target="_blank">mpls@ietf.org</a>; <a \
href="mailto:pals-chairs@ietf.org" target="_blank"> pals-chairs@ietf.org</a>; <a \
href="mailto:mpls-chairs@ietf.org" target="_blank">mpls-chairs@ietf.org</a>; DetNet \
Chairs &lt;<a href="mailto:detnet-chairs@ietf.org" \
target="_blank">detnet-chairs@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br> <b>Subject:</b> Re: [mpls] Poll 2: \
New SPL vs re-purposed ELI for carrying Network Action Indicators<o:p></o:p></p> \
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&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p> <div>
<p class="MsoNormal" \
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt"> Hi \
Bruno,<o:p></o:p></p> <div>
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you've said that your proposal allows for up to 8 MNA indicators. How do you envision \
the encoding of data associated&nbsp;with these indicators?<o:p></o:p></p> <p \
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 <span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt"> <span \
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif">[Bruno] Two \
paths&nbsp;:</span><o:p></o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal" \
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lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;mso-ansi-language:EN-US">- \
post stack data.&nbsp; </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;mso-ansi-language:EN-US">- \
in-stack data located after the ELI, EL e.g. as proposed in draft-jags-mpls-ext-hdr \
(but different encoding would also work)</span><o:p></o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal" \
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt"> <span \
lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;mso-ansi-language:EN-US">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
 <p class="MsoNormal" \
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt"> <span \
lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;mso-ansi-language:EN-US">At \
this point, post-stack data is probably my preference as the use of the label stack \
is already specified/used hence brings constraints.</span><o:p></o:p></p> <p \
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 <span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;mso-ansi-language:EN-US">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
 <p class="MsoNormal" \
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt"> <span \
lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;mso-ansi-language:EN-US">Regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
 <p class="MsoNormal" \
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt"> <span \
lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;mso-ansi-language:EN-US">--Bruno</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt"> <span \
lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;mso-ansi-language:EN-US">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt"> <span \
lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;mso-ansi-language:EN-US">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt"> <span \
lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;mso-ansi-language:EN-US">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt"> <span \
lang="EN-US" style="mso-ansi-language:EN-US">Re-use the EL space? </span>Or these can \
be only no-data MNAIs?<o:p></o:p></p> </div>
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&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p> </div>
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Regards,<o:p></o:p></p> </div>
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Greg<o:p></o:p></p> </div>
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&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p> <div>
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<p class="MsoNormal" \
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt"> On \
Fri, Jun 17, 2022 at 2:03 AM &lt;<a href="mailto:bruno.decraene@orange.com" \
target="_blank">bruno.decraene@orange.com</a>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></p> </div>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt"> <span \
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif">Tony,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:106.2pt"> <span \
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p> <p \
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align="center" style="mso-margin-top-alt:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:106.2pt;text-align:center">
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Bold&quot;,sans-serif;color:#ED7D31">Orange Restricted</span><o:p></o:p></p> <p \
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align="center" style="mso-margin-top-alt:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;margin-left:70.8pt;text-align:center">
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Bold&quot;,sans-serif;color:#ED7D31">Orange Restricted</span><o:p></o:p></p> <p \
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 <b>From:</b> Tony Li &lt;<a href="mailto:tony1athome@gmail.com" \
target="_blank">tony1athome@gmail.com</a>&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>Tony Li<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, June 17, 2022 5:26 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Zafar Ali (zali) &lt;<a href="mailto:zali@cisco.com" \
target="_blank">zali@cisco.com</a>&gt;<br> <b>Cc:</b> Kireeti Kompella &lt;<a \
href="mailto:kireeti.ietf@gmail.com" target="_blank">kireeti.ietf@gmail.com</a>&gt;; \
DECRAENE Bruno INNOV/NET &lt;<a href="mailto:bruno.decraene@orange.com" \
target="_blank">bruno.decraene@orange.com</a>&gt;; <a href="mailto:mpls@ietf.org" \
target="_blank">mpls@ietf.org</a>; <a href="mailto:pals-chairs@ietf.org" \
target="_blank"> pals-chairs@ietf.org</a>; <a href="mailto:mpls-chairs@ietf.org" \
target="_blank">mpls-chairs@ietf.org</a>; DetNet Chairs &lt;<a \
href="mailto:detnet-chairs@ietf.org" \
target="_blank">detnet-chairs@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br> <b>Subject:</b> Re: [mpls] Poll 2: \
New SPL vs re-purposed ELI for carrying Network Action Indicators<o:p></o:p></p> \
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&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p> <div>
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&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p> </div>
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Zafar,<o:p></o:p></p> </div>
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&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p> </div>
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Again, my problem with Bruno&#8217;s draft is that the limited space found in the \
ELI/EL LSE&#8217;s is clearly insufficient to begin to capture the use cases that we \
already can foresee for MNA, much less provide any room for growth.&nbsp; It \
doesn&#8217;t scale. We need more bits.<o:p></o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal" \
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:141.6pt"> <span \
lang="EN-US" style="mso-ansi-language:EN-US">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p> <p \
class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:141.6pt">
 <span lang="EN-US" style="mso-ansi-language:EN-US">[Bruno] Thank you for providing a \
technical argument.</span><o:p></o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal" \
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:141.6pt"> <span \
lang="EN-US" style="mso-ansi-language:EN-US">draft-decraene-mpls-slid-encoded-entropy-label-id \
provides 8 indicators while being backward compatible with existing \
egress/signaling.</span><o:p></o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal" \
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:141.6pt"> <span \
lang="EN-US" style="mso-ansi-language:EN-US">If more are required, solution can be \
extended to provide more indicators (and data) but at the cost of requiring new \
dataplane feature on the LSR egress (and new signaling). Just like the proposals \
using a  new SPL.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" \
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:141.6pt"> <span \
lang="EN-US" style="mso-ansi-language:EN-US">The net benefit is that in the \
short/medium term more devices/deployments can start using those 8 indicators, while \
waiting for the new generation to support the new proposal.</span><o:p></o:p></p> <p \
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 <span lang="EN-US" style="mso-ansi-language:EN-US">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" \
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:141.6pt"> <span \
lang="EN-US" style="mso-ansi-language:EN-US">Regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p> <p \
class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:141.6pt">
 <span lang="EN-US" style="mso-ansi-language:EN-US">--Bruno</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:141.6pt"> <span \
lang="EN-US" style="mso-ansi-language:EN-US">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p> <p \
class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:141.6pt">
 <span lang="EN-US" style="mso-ansi-language:EN-US">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" \
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:141.6pt"> <span \
lang="EN-US" style="mso-ansi-language:EN-US">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p> <p \
class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:141.6pt">
 <span lang="EN-US" style="mso-ansi-language:EN-US">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" \
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:141.6pt"> <span \
lang="EN-US" style="mso-ansi-language:EN-US">For that reason alone, Bruno&#8217;s \
draft is not a tenable solution to MNA and discussing it further is \
pointless.</span><o:p></o:p></p> <div>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:141.6pt"> <span \
lang="EN-US" style="mso-ansi-language:EN-US">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p> </div>
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Tony<o:p></o:p></p> </div>
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&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p> <div>
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&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p> <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
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<p class="MsoNormal" \
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:141.6pt"> On \
Jun 16, 2022, at 7:32 PM, Zafar Ali (zali) &lt;<a href="mailto:zali@cisco.com" \
target="_blank">zali@cisco.com</a>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></p> </div>
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&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p> <div>
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<p class="MsoNormal" \
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:141.6pt"> Tony, \
Kireeti, &nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p> </div>
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&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p> </div>
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<p class="MsoNormal" \
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:141.6pt"> So \
&#8220;I do not want to modify my current implementation&#8221; is the argument to \
stop people interested in Bruno&#8217;s draft from using it?<o:p></o:p></p> </div>
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<p class="MsoNormal" \
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:141.6pt"> If \
such HW can/ need be modified to implement the new complex encoding scheme you \
proposed, why it cannot implement simple encoding in Bruno&#8217;s \
draft?<o:p></o:p></p> </div>
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<p class="MsoNormal" \
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&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p> </div>
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<p class="MsoNormal" \
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Please also look at &nbsp;<a \
href="https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-decraene-mpls-slid-encoded-entropy-label-id-04#section-4.4" \
target="_blank">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-decraene-mpls-slid-encoded-entropy-label-id-04#section-4.4</a><span \
class="gmail-m-1161136038130874294gmail-m-3758589055854624868gmail-m-1856397654183170579apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>and<span \
class="gmail-m-1161136038130874294gmail-m-3758589055854624868gmail-m-1856397654183170579apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a \
href="https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-decraene-mpls-slid-encoded-entropy-label-id-04#section-4.5" \
target="_blank">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-decraene-mpls-slid-encoded-entropy-label-id-04#section-4.5</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p> </div>
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<p class="MsoNormal" \
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Thanks<o:p></o:p></p> </div>
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&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p> </div>
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<p class="MsoNormal" \
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Regards &#8230; Zafar&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p> </div>
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&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p> </div>
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&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p> </div>
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 <b><span style="font-size:12.0pt">From:<span \
class="gmail-m-1161136038130874294gmail-m-3758589055854624868gmail-m-1856397654183170579apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></span></b><span \
style="font-size:12.0pt">Tony Li &lt;<a href="mailto:tony1athome@gmail.com" \
target="_blank">tony1athome@gmail.com</a>&gt;  on behalf of Tony Li &lt;<a \
href="mailto:tony.li@tony.li" target="_blank">tony.li@tony.li</a>&gt;<br> \
<b>Date:<span class="gmail-m-1161136038130874294gmail-m-3758589055854624868gmail-m-1856397654183170579apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></b>Thursday, \
June 16, 2022 at 3:10 PM<br> <b>To:<span \
class="gmail-m-1161136038130874294gmail-m-3758589055854624868gmail-m-1856397654183170579apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></b>&quot;Zafar \
Ali (zali)&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:zali@cisco.com" \
target="_blank">zali@cisco.com</a>&gt;<br> <b>Cc:<span \
class="gmail-m-1161136038130874294gmail-m-3758589055854624868gmail-m-1856397654183170579apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></b>Kireeti \
Kompella &lt;<a href="mailto:kireeti.ietf@gmail.com" \
target="_blank">kireeti.ietf@gmail.com</a>&gt;, &quot;<a \
href="mailto:bruno.decraene@orange.com" \
target="_blank">bruno.decraene@orange.com</a>&quot;  &lt;<a \
href="mailto:bruno.decraene@orange.com" \
target="_blank">bruno.decraene@orange.com</a>&gt;, &quot;<a \
href="mailto:mpls@ietf.org" target="_blank">mpls@ietf.org</a>&quot; &lt;<a \
href="mailto:mpls@ietf.org" target="_blank">mpls@ietf.org</a>&gt;, &quot;<a \
href="mailto:pals-chairs@ietf.org" target="_blank">pals-chairs@ietf.org</a>&quot;  \
&lt;<a href="mailto:pals-chairs@ietf.org" \
target="_blank">pals-chairs@ietf.org</a>&gt;, &quot;<a \
href="mailto:mpls-chairs@ietf.org" target="_blank">mpls-chairs@ietf.org</a>&quot; \
&lt;<a href="mailto:mpls-chairs@ietf.org" \
target="_blank">mpls-chairs@ietf.org</a>&gt;, DetNet Chairs  &lt;<a \
href="mailto:detnet-chairs@ietf.org" \
target="_blank">detnet-chairs@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br> <b>Subject:<span \
class="gmail-m-1161136038130874294gmail-m-3758589055854624868gmail-m-1856397654183170579apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></b>Re: \
[mpls] Poll 2: New SPL vs re-purposed ELI for carrying Network Action \
Indicators</span><o:p></o:p></p> </div>
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style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif">The draft has \
been implemented for the exact (SLID) use-case on hardware platforms based on \
Broadcom Jericho2 family of ASIC<br> Please take a look at<span \
class="gmail-m-1161136038130874294gmail-m-3758589055854624868gmail-m-1856397654183170579apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></span><a \
href="https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-decraene-mpls-slid-encoded-entropy-label-id-04#section-7" \
target="_blank"><span \
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif">https://datatrac \
ker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-decraene-mpls-slid-encoded-entropy-label-id-04#section-7</span></a><span \
class="gmail-m-1161136038130874294gmail-m-3758589055854624868gmail-m-1856397654183170579apple-converted-space"><span \
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif">&nbsp;</span></span><span \
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif"><br> No such \
issue was noted &nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p> </div>
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<p class="MsoNormal" \
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Jericho2 is the only thing that counts in the entire world?<o:p></o:p></p> </div>
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