'Re: Tear away'

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List:       mozilla-ui
Subject:    Re: Tear away
From:       "German W. Bauer" <german () netscape ! com>
Date:       1998-10-26 17:33:52
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Actually, we are currently considering moving the pane to the right side of the
window as a default rather than the left. Part of the reasoning is that we will
avoid a design conflicting with many of the web pages out there like c|net, that
have the table of contents on the left. We also believe that this will make the
interface less compete with the content, at least in the left->right writing
locales. Making it configurable is also being re-considered. Due the list/text
nature of the content, this might yield a 'less successful' layout though when
docked on the top or bottom.
+ German

Dotan Dimet wrote:

> Allowing the toolbar to be docked on any side
> of the window would also be the right thing to
> do from an internationalization angle. In the
> Hebrew edition of Windows98, I understand they
> even moved the Start menu to the right. While
> that was a stupid thing to do IMHO, since anyone
> whose ever used Windows has already gotten used
> to the old UI layout, in the new Mozilla UI this
> would be a useful thing to have.
>
> As for Menus on the left, this really is a bad UI
> element which has overpowered the alternatives
> by sheer numbers. Witness nearly any Software with
> a docked toolbar or toolbox, and any of the horde
> of "CNET-clone" websites ("Old CNET" clones now, I
> guess). I experimented with a right-side menu on our
> webpages (because I wanted to maximize the relevant
> content on the left/upper part of the page), and
> my Boss basically said "This looks real good, but
> it might be because I'm Israeli. I'm affraid this
> will confuse the Goyyim. Move it back to the left".
>
> Anne Lene Hvalen wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, 30 Sep 1998, Jauder Ho wrote:
> >
> > |It would make sense to give people the option. I remember a school of
> > |thought that thought that putting navigation stuff on the right was the
> > |"right" thing to do. I forget the exact arguement.
> >
> > Most users are right-handed. The scroll bar is on the right. Your mouse is
> > on the right side of your desk. Navigation and links on the right is good
> > for your wrist - it's more exhausting to move the hand to reach the _left_
> > side of your browser. After a while your wrists hurt. And then you sue
> > your employer for bad office environment or something. Cause you're pretty
> > stupid, you don't bother to use your keyboard to anything other than
> > typing. And designers have to have in mind that users aren't very smart.
> > And that their wrists are weak.
> >
> > Alene
>
> --
> Dotan Dimet,
> Technical Communications and PreSales Support
> SoftLink Ltd. -- File Transfer Solutions(http://www.softlinkusa.com)
> email: dotan@softlinkusa.com // Phone: 972-3-9212325

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alink="#FF0000"> Actually, we are currently considering moving the pane to the right \
side of the window as a default rather than the left. Part of the reasoning
is that we will avoid a design conflicting with many of the web pages out
there like c|net, that have the table of contents on the left. We also
believe that this will make the interface less compete with the content,
at least in the left->right writing locales. Making it configurable is
also being re-considered. Due the list/text nature of the content, this
might yield a 'less successful' layout though when docked on the top or
bottom.
<br>+ German
<p>Dotan Dimet wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>Allowing the toolbar to be docked on any side
<br>of the window would also be the right thing to
<br>do from an internationalization angle. In the
<br>Hebrew edition of Windows98, I understand they
<br>even moved the Start menu to the right. While
<br>that was a stupid thing to do IMHO, since anyone
<br>whose ever used Windows has already gotten used
<br>to the old UI layout, in the new Mozilla UI this
<br>would be a useful thing to have.
<p>As for Menus on the left, this really is a bad UI
<br>element which has overpowered the alternatives
<br>by sheer numbers. Witness nearly any Software with
<br>a docked toolbar or toolbox, and any of the horde
<br>of "CNET-clone" websites ("Old CNET" clones now, I
<br>guess). I experimented with a right-side menu on our
<br>webpages (because I wanted to maximize the relevant
<br>content on the left/upper part of the page), and
<br>my Boss basically said "This looks real good, but
<br>it might be because I'm Israeli. I'm affraid this
<br>will confuse the Goyyim. Move it back to the left".
<p>Anne Lene Hvalen wrote:
<br>>
<br>> On Wed, 30 Sep 1998, Jauder Ho wrote:
<br>>
<br>> |It would make sense to give people the option. I remember a school
of
<br>> |thought that thought that putting navigation stuff on the right
was the
<br>> |"right" thing to do. I forget the exact arguement.
<br>>
<br>> Most users are right-handed. The scroll bar is on the right. Your
mouse is
<br>> on the right side of your desk. Navigation and links on the right
is good
<br>> for your wrist - it's more exhausting to move the hand to reach the
_left_
<br>> side of your browser. After a while your wrists hurt. And then you
sue
<br>> your employer for bad office environment or something. Cause you're
pretty
<br>> stupid, you don't bother to use your keyboard to anything other than
<br>> typing. And designers have to have in mind that users aren't very
smart.
<br>> And that their wrists are weak.
<br>>
<br>> Alene
<p>--
<br>Dotan Dimet,
<br>Technical Communications and PreSales Support
<br>SoftLink Ltd. -- File Transfer Solutions(<a \
href="http://www.softlinkusa.com">http://www.softlinkusa.com</a>) <br>email: \
dotan@softlinkusa.com // Phone: 972-3-9212325</blockquote>

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