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Subject: RE: [Mono-list] Re: On Mono and Patents ... again
From: "Alex Kriegel" <akriegel () poptal ! com>
Date: 2005-09-28 18:00:46
Message-ID: 004401c5c456$9060ed30$4fc809b4 () AlexKriegel1
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Sorry, I haven't read the previous post. No contest here, Mr. Nedelcu is an
idiot.

I am a bit jumpy about the issue, anti-Americanism is rampant in BC, and
many of my close friends are Americans.

-Alex

-----Original Message-----
From: Adrian Dinu [mailto:adrian.dinu@dreamsoftware.ro] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 10:55 AM
To: akriegel@poptal.com
Cc: 'Matthias Kestenholz'; mono-list@lists.ximian.com
Subject: RE: [Mono-list] Re: On Mono and Patents ... again

Obviously, the poster has recognized by the name of the person that he is
Romanian, so probably he doesn't live in the US, so all his whining about
software patents made him look as a "whining idiot" because software patents
are not an issue here (even if Romania is not a part of the EU yet,
hopefully it will be in about a year and 3 months). That's why he called HIM
a "whining idiot".

Geeeeeze

On Wed, 2005-09-28 at 10:48 -0700, Alex Kriegel wrote: 

Well, I might be wrong... But what this line refers to?

> I'm pretty sure you're not living in the US, so why are you whining 
> like an idiot?

BTW: I am Canadian, but hate to see indiscriminate bashing.

-----Original Message-----
From: Matthias Kestenholz [mailto:lists@irregular.ch] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 10:45 AM
To: Alex Kriegel; mono-list@lists.ximian.com
Subject: RE: [Mono-list] Re: On Mono and Patents ... again

You should probably read all emails twice before replying. Nobody said
that americans are whining idiots.

Thanks for listening.

On Wed, 2005-09-28 at 10:38 -0700, Alex Kriegel wrote:
> Regardless of your convictions, it is hardly do you any honour to refer to
> Americans as "whining idiots". Especially on this list.
> 
> Do you feel morally superior? Technologically superior?
> Superior in any respect? Why the smugness?
> 
> After all, most of the technology you use was invented/developed in the
USA,
> by the same "whining idiots"... Including the C# specification.
> 
> -Alex
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mono-list-bounces@lists.ximian.com
> [mailto:mono-list-bounces@lists.ximian.com] On Behalf Of Robert Jordan
> Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 9:54 AM
> To: Mono-list@lists.ximian.com
> Subject: [Mono-list] Re: On Mono and Patents ... again
> 
> Hi Alexandu,
> 
> > Before calling me a troll that spreads FUD, first read the wikipedia
> definition:
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FUD
> > As you saw already, I have good reasons and proofs for my statements
> > (it's fucking obvious).
> > It's your turn. Please provide evidence that the ECMA/ISO parts are
> > "royalty free" (legal this time) and dump the non-ECMA stacks and then
> > I will bow to you. Also, if such evidence exist please update that
> > stupid FAQ (it is useless in it's current state).
> 
> I'm pretty sure you're not living in the US, so why are you whining
> like an idiot? The European Union (where you will someday belong
> to ;-) doesn't give a shit on software patents.
> Stand up and scream at you corrupt politicians, if you
> have a problem with patents.
> 
> > So again, FUCK YOU for trying to poison Linux (or Gnome for that
> > matter). Please remember you don't own it. And ... don't worry about
> > other flames from me ... I will unsubscribe.
> 
> Get a life!
> 
> _______________________________________________
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Adrian Dinu
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Sorry, I haven&#8217;t read the previous \
post&#8230; No contest here, Mr. Nedelcu is an idiot.

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I am a bit jumpy about the issue, \
anti-Americanism is rampant in BC, and many of my close friends are \
Americans.</span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>-Alex</span></font></p>

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-----Original Message----- 
From: Adrian Dinu
[mailto:adrian.dinu@dreamsoftware.ro] 
Sent: Wednesday, September \
28, 2005 10:55 \
AM To: akriegel@poptal.com Cc: 'Matthias Kestenholz'; \
mono-list@lists.ximian.com Subject: \
RE: [Mono-list] Re: On Mono and Patents ... again

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Obviously, the poster has recognized by the name of
the person that he is Romanian, so probably he doesn't live in the US, so all
his whining about software patents made him look as a &quot;whining idiot&quot;
because software patents are not an issue here (even if Romania is not a part
of the EU yet, hopefully it will be in about a year and 3 months). That's why
he called HIM a &quot;whining idiot&quot;. 
 
Geeeeeze 
 
On Wed, 2005-09-28 at 10:48 -0700, Alex Kriegel wrote:

<pre style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>&nbsp;</span></font></pre><pre style='margin-left:
.5in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>Well, I might be wrong... But what this line refers \
to?</span></font></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier \
New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>&nbsp;</span></font></pre><pre \
                style='margin-left:
.5in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>&gt; I'm pretty sure you're not living in the </span></font><font
  color=black><span style='color:black'>US</span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black'>, so why are you whining </span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>&gt; like an idiot?</span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>&nbsp;</span></font></pre><pre style='margin-left:
.5in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>BTW: I am Canadian, but hate to see indiscriminate \
bashing.</span></font></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier \
New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>&nbsp;</span></font></pre><pre \
                style='margin-left:
.5in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>-----Original Message-----</span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>From: Matthias Kestenholz [mailto:<a
href="mailto:lists@irregular.ch">lists@irregular.ch</a>] </span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>Sent: </span></font><font
 color=black><span style='color:black'>Wednesday, September 28, \
2005</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'> </span></font><font
 color=black><span style='color:black'>10:45 AM</span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>To: Alex Kriegel; <a
href="mailto:mono-list@lists.ximian.com">mono-list@lists.ximian.com</a></span></font></pre><pre
 style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>Subject: RE: [Mono-list] Re: On Mono and Patents \
... again</span></font></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier \
New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>&nbsp;</span></font></pre><pre \
                style='margin-left:
.5in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>You should probably read all emails twice before replying. Nobody \
said</span></font></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black \
face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>that americans are \
whining idiots.</span></font></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 \
face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>&nbsp;</span></font></pre><pre \
                style='margin-left:
.5in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>Thanks for listening.</span></font></pre><pre style='margin-left:
.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span \
style='font-size:10.0pt'>&nbsp;</span></font></pre><pre \
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span \
                style='font-size:10.0pt'>&nbsp;</span></font></pre><pre \
                style='margin-left:
.5in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
color:black'>On Wed, 2005-09-28 at </span></font><font color=black><span
 style='color:black'>10:38</span></font><font color=black><span
style='color:black'> -0700, Alex Kriegel wrote:</span></font></pre><pre
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>&gt; Regardless of your convictions, it is \
hardly do you any honour to refer to</span></font></pre><pre \
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span \
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>&gt; Americans as &quot;whining idiots&quot;. \
Especially on this list.</span></font></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'><font \
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>&gt; \
</span></font></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black \
face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>&gt; Do you feel \
morally superior? Technologically superior?</span></font></pre><pre \
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span \
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>&gt; </span></font><font color=black><span  \
style='color:black'>Superior</span></font><font color=black><span \
style='color:black'> in any respect? Why the smugness?</span></font></pre><pre \
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span \
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>&gt; </span></font></pre><pre \
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span \
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>&gt; After all, most of the technology you use \
was invented/developed in the</span></font></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'><font \
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span  \
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>USA</span></font><font color=black><span \
style='color:black'>,</span></font></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 \
color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>&gt; by the \
same &quot;whining idiots&quot;... Including the C# \
specification.</span></font></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 \
color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>&gt; \
</span></font></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black \
face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>&gt; \
-Alex</span></font></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black \
face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>&gt; \
</span></font></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black \
face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>&gt; -----Original \
Message-----</span></font></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 \
color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>&gt; From: \
<a href="mailto:mono-list-bounces@lists.ximian.com">mono-list-bounces@lists.ximian.com</a></span></font></pre><pre
 style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>&gt; [mailto:<a
href="mailto:mono-list-bounces@lists.ximian.com">mono-list-bounces@lists.ximian.com</a>] \
On Behalf Of Robert Jordan</span></font></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'><font \
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>&gt; \
Sent: </span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'>Wednesday, September \
28, 2005</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'> \
</span></font><font  color=black><span style='color:black'>9:54 \
AM</span></font></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black \
face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>&gt; To: <a
href="mailto:Mono-list@lists.ximian.com">Mono-list@lists.ximian.com</a></span></font></pre><pre
 style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>&gt; Subject: [Mono-list] Re: On Mono and \
Patents ... again</span></font></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 \
color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>&gt; \
</span></font></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black \
face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>&gt; Hi \
Alexandu,</span></font></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black \
face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>&gt; \
</span></font></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black \
face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>&gt; &gt; Before \
calling me a troll that spreads FUD, first read the wikipedia</span></font></pre><pre \
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span \
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>&gt; definition:</span></font></pre><pre \
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span \
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>&gt; &gt; <a \
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FUD">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FUD</a></span></font></pre><pre
 style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>&gt; &gt; As you saw already, I have good \
reasons and proofs for my statements</span></font></pre><pre \
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span \
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>&gt; &gt; (it's fucking \
obvious).</span></font></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black \
face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>&gt; &gt; It's your \
turn. Please provide evidence that the ECMA/ISO parts are</span></font></pre><pre \
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span \
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>&gt; &gt; &quot;royalty free&quot; (legal this \
time) and dump the non-ECMA stacks and then</span></font></pre><pre \
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span \
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>&gt; &gt; I will bow to you. Also, if such \
evidence exist please update that</span></font></pre><pre \
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span \
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>&gt; &gt; stupid FAQ (it is useless in it's \
current state).</span></font></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 \
color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>&gt; \
</span></font></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black \
face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>&gt; I'm pretty sure \
you're not living in the </span></font><font  color=black><span \
style='color:black'>US</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black'>, so \
why are you whining</span></font></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 \
color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>&gt; like \
an idiot? The European Union (where you will someday belong</span></font></pre><pre \
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span \
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>&gt; to ;-) doesn't give a shit on software \
patents.</span></font></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black \
face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>&gt; Stand up and \
scream at you corrupt politicians, if you</span></font></pre><pre \
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span \
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>&gt; have a problem with \
patents.</span></font></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black \
face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>&gt; \
</span></font></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black \
face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>&gt; &gt; So again, \
FUCK YOU for trying to poison Linux (or Gnome for that</span></font></pre><pre \
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span \
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>&gt; &gt; matter). Please remember you don't own \
it. And ... don't worry about</span></font></pre><pre style='margin-left:.5in'><font \
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>&gt; \
&gt; other flames from me ... I will unsubscribe.</span></font></pre><pre \
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span \
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>&gt; </span></font></pre><pre \
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span \
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>&gt; Get a life!</span></font></pre><pre \
style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span \
style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>&gt; </span></font></pre><pre \
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style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>&gt; \
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