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From: Alex J Lennon <ajlennon () dynamicdevices ! co ! uk>
Date: 2015-03-17 7:40:15
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Sounds interesting. It's the type of thing I'd like to add into
meta-mono for Yocto/Mono based embedded platforms.
On 17/03/2015 06:09, Bob Summerwill wrote:
> No problem! I think that HTML5-as-a-platform would be a great idea,
> however it comes about.
>
> Joao would be the best person to answer your questions, I think,
> because I'm not associated with Xamarin or GSoC. I'm just interested
> in this area of technology.
>
>
> Cheers,
> Bob
>
>
> Chee
>
> On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 8:25 PM, Nirmal Lankathilaka
> <nir3al+dev@gmail.com <mailto:nir3al+dev@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Thanks Bob for the awesome links and the CC!! I too, would love to
> see that potential achieved.
>
> I've been doing some reading about porting to asm.js. Is there
> anything you'd suggest that I should read/experiment on? Also, is
> there any idea/suggestions you have in mind about how I should
> continue to work on this project and what I should do (in the
> context of GSoC)?
>
> On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 10:49 PM, Bob Summerwill
> <bob@summerwill.net <mailto:bob@summerwill.net>> wrote:
>
>
> Corrected link - http://monohtml5.com - sorry.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 10:18 AM, Bob Summerwill
> <bob@summerwill.net <mailto:bob@summerwill.net>> wrote:
>
>
> I started digging into area last year.
> See https://monohtml5.com/.
>
> I think there is huge potential for Mono and .NET apps
> targeting the browser, and treating HTML5 as "just another
> platform".
>
> *
> https://monohtml5.wordpress.com/2014/05/29/a-vision-html5-can-be-just-another-platform-for-net/
>
> * https://monohtml5.wordpress.com/2014/06/09/monohtml5-what-are-the-existing-projects-in-this-area/
>
> * https://monohtml5.wordpress.com/2014/06/14/monohtml5-what-are-you-actually-trying-to-make/
>
> Joao is in the CC on this mail.
>
>
> Cheers,
> Bob
>
> On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 3:31 AM, Nirmal Lankathilaka
> <nir3al+dev@gmail.com <mailto:nir3al+dev@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Thanks for the clarification! Also, sorry for the late
> reply. I've been doing some reading and experimenting
> on asm.js/emscripten between my regular studies.
>
> Also, could you help me on how to contact "João
> Matos", who is stated as the mentor for that project?
>
> On Sun, Mar 15, 2015 at 8:47 PM, Robert Jordan
> <robertj@gmx.net <mailto:robertj@gmx.net>> wrote:
>
> On 15.03.2015 10:59, Nirmal Lankathilaka wrote:
>
> I've been using Mono for developing desktop
> apps for a couple of years and
> would love to contribute to the project. Since
> I'm still a student, I think
> GSoC is a splendid opportunity to start.
>
> "Porting Mono to `asm.js`", presented for
> GSoC, caught my attention
> recently. I spent some time researching this
> and I'd like some
> clarification from the community:
>
> Since Mono-LLVM support does exist[mono-llvm]
> <http://www.mono-project.com/docs/advanced/mono-llvm/>,
> why would the need
> arise for a port? I understand that there are
> limitations
> [mono-llvm#limitations]
> <http://www.mono-project.com/docs/advanced/mono-llvm/#limitations>
> in the
> above approach as LLVM doesn't fully support
> all the needs of Mono; but
> since there is no specifications given which
> would require one to avoid the
> above approach
> (mono-llvm-->llvm-->emscripten-->asm.js), I'm
> a bit confused.
>
>
> The proposal assumes a slightly deeper
> understanding of the Mono
> internals.
>
> http://www.mono-project.com/community/google-summer-of-code/projects/#port-mono-to-asmjs
>
> "mono runtime" is here the part of Mono that
> provides the OS
> abstraction layer (file, network etc.) and GC.
> It's that minimal
> part of Mono that's needed for running static AOT
> (ahead-of-time
> compilation) assemblies that were compiled to
> native shared objects
> or included into the main executable. Basically,
> it's Mono sans
> code generation, suitable to run on the target.
>
> The target is here "emscripten/asm.js", so it
> needs a port.
>
> "mono cross compiler that can target emscripten"
> is a Mono LLVM AOT target that generates LLVM code
> suitable
> for emscripten. This part is supposed to run on
> the host, i.e.
> it has access to a full tool chain etc.
>
>
> On a different note, could you explain to me
> whether I should use the
> forums instead of the mailing-lists (which I
> prefer) for communication
> regarding GSoC and the `asm.js` port.
>
>
> The forums are just a mirror of this list.
>
> Robert
>
>
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Sounds interesting. It's the type of thing I'd like to add into
meta-mono for Yocto/Mono based embedded platforms.<br>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 17/03/2015 06:09, Bob Summerwill
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote
cite="mid:CAFTheUFBkRXa8wQ1=kWr8qr=4XrVS5RjQ_o_LKjsuK8SkurTkQ@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">
<div dir="ltr">No problem! I think that HTML5-as-a-platform
would be a great idea, however it comes about.
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Joao would be the best person to answer your questions, I
think, because I'm not associated with Xamarin or GSoC. I'm
just interested in this area of technology.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Cheers,</div>
<div>Bob</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
Chee</div>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 8:25 PM, Nirmal
Lankathilaka <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:nir3al+dev@gmail.com" \
target="_blank">nir3al+dev@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr">
<div>
<div>Thanks Bob for the awesome links and the CC!! I
too, would love to see that potential achieved.<br>
<br>
</div>
I've been doing some reading about porting to asm.js. Is
there anything you'd suggest that I should
read/experiment on? Also, is there any idea/suggestions
you have in mind about how I should continue to work on
this project and what I should do (in the context of
GSoC)?<br>
</div>
</div>
<div class="HOEnZb">
<div class="h5">
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 10:49
PM, Bob Summerwill <span dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:bob@summerwill.net" \
target="_blank">bob@summerwill.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
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<div dir="ltr">
<div><br>
</div>
Corrected link - <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://monohtml5.com" \
target="_blank">http://monohtml5.com</a>
- sorry.
<div><br>
<div><br>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra">
<div>
<div><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Mar 16,
2015 at 10:18 AM, Bob Summerwill <span
dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:bob@summerwill.net"
target="_blank">bob@summerwill.net</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote"
style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px
#ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr"><br>
<div>I started digging into area last
year. See <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://monohtml5.com/"
\
target="_blank">https://monohtml5.com/</a>.</div> <div><br>
</div>
<div>I think there is huge potential
for Mono and .NET apps targeting the
browser, and treating HTML5 as "just
another platform".</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>* <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://monohtml5.wordpress.com/2014/05/29/a-vision-html5-can-be-just-another-platform-for-net/"
\
target="_blank">https://monohtml5.wordpress.com/2014/05/29/a-vision-html5-can-be-just-another-platform-for-net/</a></div>
<div>* <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://monohtml5.wordpress.com/2014/06/09/monohtml5-what-are-the-existing-projects-in-this-area/"
\
target="_blank">https://monohtml5.wordpress.com/2014/06/09/monohtml5-what-are-the-existing-projects-in-this-area/</a></div>
<div>* <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://monohtml5.wordpress.com/2014/06/14/monohtml5-what-are-you-actually-trying-to-make/"
\
target="_blank">https://monohtml5.wordpress.com/2014/06/14/monohtml5-what-are-you-actually-trying-to-make/</a></div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Joao is in the CC on this mail.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Cheers,</div>
<div>Bob</div>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra">
<div>
<div><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon,
Mar 16, 2015 at 3:31 AM, Nirmal
Lankathilaka <span dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:nir3al+dev@gmail.com"
\
target="_blank">nir3al+dev@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote"
style="margin:0 0 0
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc
solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr">Thanks for the
clarification! Also, sorry
for the late reply. I've
been doing some reading and
experimenting on
asm.js/emscripten between my
regular studies.<br>
<br>
Also, could you help me on
how to contact "Jo�o Matos",
who is stated as the mentor
for that project?<br>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On
Sun, Mar 15, 2015 at
8:47 PM, Robert Jordan
<span dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:robertj@gmx.net" \
target="_blank">robertj@gmx.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote
class="gmail_quote"
style="margin:0 0 0
.8ex;border-left:1px
#ccc
solid;padding-left:1ex"><span>On
15.03.2015 10:59,
Nirmal
Lankathilaka
wrote:<br>
</span>
<blockquote
class="gmail_quote"
style="margin:0 0
0
.8ex;border-left:1px
#ccc
solid;padding-left:1ex"><span>
I've been using
Mono for
developing
desktop apps for
a couple of
years and<br>
would love to
contribute to
the project.
Since I'm still
a student, I
think<br>
GSoC is a
splendid
opportunity to
start.<br>
<br>
"Porting Mono to
`asm.js`",
presented for
GSoC, caught my
attention<br>
recently. I
spent some time
researching this
and I'd like
some<br>
clarification
from the
community:<br>
<br>
Since Mono-LLVM
support does
exist[mono-llvm]<br>
</span>
<<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.mono-project.com/docs/advanced/mono-llvm/"
\
target="_blank">http://www.mono-project.com/docs/advanced/mono-llvm/</a>>,
why would the need<span><br>
arise for a
port? I
understand that
there are
limitations<br>
[mono-llvm#limitations]<br>
</span>
<<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.mono-project.com/docs/advanced/mono-llvm/#limitations"
\
target="_blank">http://www.mono-project.com/docs/advanced/mono-llvm/#limitations</a>>
in the<span><br>
above approach
as LLVM doesn't
fully support
all the needs of
Mono; but<br>
since there is
no
specifications
given which
would require
one to avoid the<br>
above approach
\
(mono-llvm-->llvm-->emscripten-->asm.js), I'm a bit
confused.<br>
</span></blockquote>
<br>
The proposal assumes
a slightly deeper
understanding of the
Mono<br>
internals.<br>
<br>
<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.mono-project.com/community/google-summer-of-code/projects/#port-mono-to-asmjs"
target="_blank">http://www.mono-project.com/community/google-summer-of-code/projects/#port-mono-to-asmjs</a><br>
<br>
"mono runtime" is
here the part of
Mono that provides
the OS<br>
abstraction layer
(file, network etc.)
and GC. It's that
minimal<br>
part of Mono that's
needed for running
static AOT
(ahead-of-time<br>
compilation)
assemblies that were
compiled to native
shared objects<br>
or included into the
main executable.
Basically, it's Mono
sans<br>
code generation,
suitable to run on
the target.<br>
<br>
The target is here
"emscripten/asm.js",
so it needs a port.<br>
<br>
"mono cross compiler
that can target
emscripten"<br>
is a Mono LLVM AOT
target that
generates LLVM code
suitable<br>
for emscripten. This
part is supposed to
run on the host,
i.e.<br>
it has access to a
full tool chain etc.<span><br>
<br>
<blockquote
class="gmail_quote"
style="margin:0
0 0
.8ex;border-left:1px
#ccc
solid;padding-left:1ex">
<br>
On a different
note, could you
explain to me
whether I should
use the<br>
forums instead
of the
mailing-lists
(which I prefer)
for
communication<br>
regarding GSoC
and the `asm.js`
port.<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
</span>
The forums are just
a mirror of this
list.<br>
<br>
Robert<br>
<br>
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