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List:       mandrake-cooker
Subject:    [Cooker] #Mandriva hawkwind/GreyStar very bad management
From:       Tukit <mmodem00 () gmail ! com>
Date:       2006-09-02 4:52:33
Message-ID: 200609020552.33822.tukitt () gmail ! com
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I used to enter channel #mandriva in freenode irc servers and so far i was 
never disturbed untill today in wich i answered a user known as PeanHearst in 
wich he asked some about MDE rpms in wich i said i also use them and that 
also i consider Mde stuff very good.

After i said this GreyStart (also known as Hawkwind) interviewed saying bad 
about MDE, well so far was well untill i start answering him saying that i 
like MDE, that i use them and that also i think is good software.

After this he sarted saying i was another person and that he wasnt op anymore 
and after he said this he said that i was asked to not talk more about MDE in 
#mandriva thing that doesnt make part of any rule, we can talk about MDE or 
other rpms but for Hawkwind that is the worst thing we can do in wich he says 
very bad of MDE but that doesnt mean that who speaks about MDE can end baned.

Either way i was told that if i ever speaked about MDE or if i start answer 
hawkwind i could end baned, i didnt believed that until today i see that in 
fact that is true.

To say that i was told also by PeanHurst (the user to wich i replied about 
MDE) that Hawkwind is a dangerous guy and for me stop answering him....

Passed this i just replied also PeanHurst about kvirc irc client saying that i 
also use kvirc done by MDE and my last statement before i got baned was a 
phrase about freely speaking in a democracy, as i will paste here:

[01:25:11] <tukit> PeanutHorst: entirely agree
[01:25:26] <PeanutHorst> GreyStar: so why are you still trying to intimidate 
people when you have no power?  :P
[01:25:39] <GreyStar> PeanutHorst: Only reason I'm using this nick is because 
this nick is running from my server in screen using irssi to log the channel 
for the channel stats
[01:25:53] <tukit> PeanutHorst: not intimidating but talking freelly, a 
democracy exercise
[01:25:57] <GreyStar> PeanutHorst: I'm not intimidating anyone.  I merely 
stated the channel rules
[01:26:04] MrRagga [n=jonas@pD954C491.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] left 
IRC: "Verlassend"
[01:26:12] You have been kicked from #mandriva by MajorMishap 
[n=Major@mandriva/bot/CookieX]: 
You-have-been-kicked-for-violating-channel-rules.

As you see i got baned by the bot MajorMishap (triggered by hawkwind) without 
any reason for it.

Seen this i went to #mandriva-cooker with user Pean Horst to report this event 
but since almost were off the best solution to be heard about whats happening 
in #mandriva would be to report in this mailing list (in wich i dont think is 
the proper channel for it but i thhink is the best place so that all users 
can know about it).

The user PeanHorst mail: horst.burkhardt@optusnet.com.au

I was also told in #MDE that so far many users got baned so far by just speak 
about MDE packages.


I ask now to mandriva developers to dont let this happen anymore, to put 
#mandirva managed by people with good sense.

my best regards,
Tukit

PS: im attaching here the #mandriva log so that all can see what happened, of 
course that is also possible to see through web.

["channel_#mandriva_2006.09.02.log" (text/x-log)]

0 ### Log session started in Sat Sep 2 00:09:43 2006 ###
20 [00:09:43] tukit [n=tu@unaffiliated/tukit] enter #Mandriva
23 [00:09:43] Channel topic: Welcome to the 'OFFICIAL' Mandriva help channel | \
ENGLISH ONLY! | P2P is OFFTOPIC | NO FOUL LANGUAGE | Please use www.pastebin.com for \
pastes over 5 lines | Forum & FAQs: http://linuxfornewbies.org/forum | EasyUrpmi: \
http://urpmi-addmedia.org | Channel Rules \
http://www.linuxfordummies.org/mandriva-rules/ | We do NOT support other distros \
besides Mandriva here! 23 [00:09:43] Topic set by Hawkwind in Tue May 23 19:29:24 \
2006 51 [00:09:43] zelazny.freenode.net [*@*] sets mode +tncPz
62 [00:09:43] Channel created in Thu Apr 7 08:48:18 2005
20 [00:15:59] joste [n=joste@82-40-86-29.cable.ubr01.cast.blueyonder.co.uk] enter \
#mandriva 20 [00:24:52] asasdasda [n=val@MTL-HSE-ppp189695.qc.sympatico.ca] enter \
#mandriva 34 [00:27:57] notech [n=vern@linuxfordummies/vern] left IRC: Read error: 60 \
(Operation timed out) 34 [00:28:11] osiris \
[n=osiris@c-71-205-8-48.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] left IRC: Read error: 60 (Operation \
timed out) 20 [00:31:07] angelchild [i=arika@jamesmorse.plus.com] enter #mandriva
34 [00:31:10] TheNastyBoy [n=TheNasty@82.227.228.120] left IRC: "Ciao !"
20 [00:32:08] notech [n=vern@67.40.3.196] enter #mandriva
20 [00:33:30] osiris [n=osiris@c-71-205-8-48.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] enter #mandriva
20 [00:38:32] kensai [n=kensai@206.248.99.191] enter #mandriva
34 [00:42:13] Emil_Zeuthen \
[n=emil@cpe.atm2-0-10837.0x50c766b2.bynxx14.customer.tele.dk] left IRC: "You've Got \
To Love Her With A Feeling" 25 [00:42:41] <PeanutHorst> um.......... what is the \
updated xfce on offer here? 20 [00:42:56] johnp \
[n=john@pool-72-84-18-107.pghk.east.verizon.net] enter #mandriva 25 [00:43:02] \
<PeanutHorst> (from SoS) 25 [00:47:09] <lowtech> do you not have a SoS media source \
added? 25 [01:00:41] <PeanutHorst> lowtech: i have several, but not the xfce one and \
i'm trying to justify whether i should use the SoS one or the MDE one 25 [01:06:11] \
<lowtech> urpmq -yf xfce will all xfce packages in your sources and their revs 25 \
[01:06:21] <GreyStar> LOL @ MDE 25 [01:06:23] <GreyStar> What a joke
25 [01:06:37] <GreyStar> If you want to reinstall your system, install MDE stuff
24 [01:08:34] <tukit> MDe is great
24 [01:08:48] <tukit> and all works great
2 [01:09:14] <GreyStar> tukit: Right, but it's also not supported here in #Mandriva
24 [01:09:25] <tukit> so?
24 [01:09:39] <tukit> is supported in #Mde and in mandriva club
25 [01:09:43] <GreyStar> Ahhh I see.  Ze_M in disguise once again
24 [01:10:10] <tukit> disguise?
57 [01:10:28] tukit tukit!n=tu@unaffiliated/tukit
57 [01:10:28] tukit real name: k
58 [01:10:28] tukit channels: #mandriva, #crossover
60 [01:10:28] tukit server: zelazny.freenode.net - Corvallis, OR, US
61 [01:10:28] tukit info: is identified to services 
59 [01:10:28] tukit idle time: 0d 0h 0m 17s
59 [01:10:28] tukit start date: Fri Sep 1 22:52:00 2006
61 [01:10:28] tukit info WHOIS from zelazny.freenode.net
25 [01:10:53] <lowtech> support in #mde is a joke, their devs are rarely there
2 [01:11:13] <GreyStar> tukit: Yes.  You can't fool everyone
24 [01:11:44] <tukit> well i never needed support
24 [01:12:11] <tukit> GreyStar: fool about what?
25 [01:12:14] <GreyStar> Of course you don't.  You package the troublesome rpms
24 [01:12:40] <tukit> duh?
2 [01:13:11] <GreyStar> tukit: I'm curious....why do you think you can use a \
different nick and think that noone will know exactly who you really are ? 25 \
[01:13:46] <GreyStar> I mean, you're banned from this channel in many different ways, \
yet you still insist on evading the ban.  Troublesome users like yourself really \
should be banned from the entire Freenode network IMO 24 [01:13:53] <tukit> GreyStar: \
i was warned about you, to dont give any answer else i would get baned and i dont \
know what you are talking about 25 [01:13:57] <lowtech> either way, this is not the \
place to discuss MDE rpm's. one of their devs is constantly banned and coming in \
under other nicks because he's too immature to follow the channel rules here. 2 \
[01:14:49] <GreyStar> tukit: I'm not an op here d00d.  I don't even run Mandriva as a \
distro anymore so you can say what you want in here.  It won't be me who bans you 24 \
[01:15:56] <tukit> isnt that what i was told but that doesnt matter and you can \
continue discussing alone cause i will not answer you anymore 25 [01:16:24] <lowtech> \
good, then the mde discussion is over 24 [01:16:26] <tukit> now i believe that i can \
be baned in some minutes... 24 [01:16:42] <tukit> lowtech: it wasnt me who started \
any mde discussion and talking about other things 25 [01:17:07] <lowtech> so? i asked \
it to stop, so please stop 2 [01:17:09] <GreyStar> tukit: To verify, /msg chanserv \
access #Mandriva list 2 [01:17:21] <GreyStar> tukit: You'll see I'm not an op, so you \
have no worries with me :) 24 [01:17:38] <tukit> lowtech: why are you asking me to \
stop something in wich i havent started? ask who started it 2 [01:18:15] <lowtech> \
tukit: quit arguing and do as you said you'd do and not say anymore 32 [01:18:27] \
GreyStar Looks @ PeanutHorst  34 [01:18:44] kensai [n=kensai@206.248.99.191] left \
IRC: "Leaving" 25 [01:18:45] <lowtech> all i see GreyStar doing is showing he's not \
an op 24 [01:18:54] <tukit> PeanutHorst: well you haerd what i said about MDE, is \
really goos stuff 25 [01:18:59] <PeanutHorst> GreyStar: lowtech: sorry, i was not \
aware that the discussion of that facility was verboten 25 [01:19:35] <GreyStar> \
lowtech: Yep.  Trying to prove I haven't been since June 1st, 2006 to be exact which \
is the day I resigned 25 [01:19:55] <GreyStar> PeanutHorst: No need to apologize to \
me d00d.  I could care less honestly :P 25 [01:20:18] <lowtech> PeanutHorst: they got \
a bad rep, and continue to, because one of their devs is a troublemaking immature \
child, so we try to not discuss it here. 25 [01:21:10] <lowtech> if people want to \
run it, thats fine. we just got tired of him and it. 25 [01:21:23] <PeanutHorst> \
lowtech: yes, ZeM, who happens to be a core packager for KVIrc 25 [01:21:34] \
<GreyStar> PeanutHorst: ERmmmm, wrong! 25 [01:22:03] <GreyStar> He merely builds rpms \
for his own personal repo.  He does *not* actually work for or package for KVirc \
specifically 25 [01:22:15] <PeanutHorst> KVIrc is the main reason i even started to \
investigate MDE. but anyhow, is the xfce in SoS at 4.3.99 yet? 25 [01:22:28] \
<PeanutHorst> GreyStar: *glare* 25 [01:22:39] <PeanutHorst> shall we step outside? \
*draws sword* 24 [01:23:07] <tukit> im using kvirc done by MDE
25 [01:23:19] <GreyStar> PeanutHorst: No and it won't be.  I'm not building anything \
for SoS until after 2007 is released as final 2 [01:23:48] <GreyStar> tukit: You were \
asked to stop talking about it.  You need to join #MDE if you wish to continue since \
we don't care and don't support MDE at all here 25 [01:24:21] <PeanutHorst> GreyStar: \
so much for "I'm not an op"........... you're the owner of MajorMishap if i'm not \
mistaken :) Although i liked your other nick better. 24 [01:24:34] <tukit> i can talk \
about MDE here, i know because blino said it 2 [01:25:00] <PeanutHorst> tukit: \
GreyStaris a dangerous individual...... i suggest we don't continue the discourse \
here 25 [01:25:00] <GreyStar> PeanutHorst: I've removed my hostmask from the bot too. \
I have *no* access to this channel whatsoever anymore as of 33 days ago 24 [01:25:11] \
<tukit> PeanutHorst: entirely agree 25 [01:25:26] <PeanutHorst> GreyStar: so why are \
you still trying to intimidate people when you have no power? :P 25 [01:25:39] \
<GreyStar> PeanutHorst: Only reason I'm using this nick is because this nick is \
running from my server in screen using irssi to log the channel for the channel stats \
24 [01:25:53] <tukit> PeanutHorst: not intimidating but talking freelly, a democracy \
exercise 25 [01:25:57] <GreyStar> PeanutHorst: I'm not intimidating anyone.  I merely \
stated the channel rules 34 [01:26:04] MrRagga \
[n=jonas@pD954C491.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] left IRC: "Verlassend" 97 [01:26:12] Kicked \
from #mandriva by MajorMishap [n=Major@mandriva/bot/CookieX]: \
You-have-been-kicked-for-violating-channel-rules. 0 ### Log session ended in Sat Sep \
2 01:26:12 2006 ### 0 ### Log session started in Sat Sep 2 01:26:12 2006 ###
20 [01:26:12] tukit [n=tu@unaffiliated/tukit] enter #mandriva
23 [01:26:12] Channel topic: Welcome to the 'OFFICIAL' Mandriva help channel | \
ENGLISH ONLY! | P2P is OFFTOPIC | NO FOUL LANGUAGE | Please use www.pastebin.com for \
pastes over 5 lines | Forum & FAQs: http://linuxfornewbies.org/forum | EasyUrpmi: \
http://urpmi-addmedia.org | Channel Rules \
http://www.linuxfordummies.org/mandriva-rules/ | We do NOT support other distros \
besides Mandriva here! 23 [01:26:12] Topic set by Hawkwind in Tue May 23 19:29:24 \
2006 51 [01:26:12] ChanServ [ChanServ@services.] sets mode +b *!*@unaffiliated/tukit
0 ### Log session ended in Sat Sep 2 01:26:12 2006 ###



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