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List:       mailman-developers
Subject:    Re: [Mailman-Developers] listarchiver table missing from postgresql schema
From:       Barry Warsaw <barry () list ! org>
Date:       2014-07-29 14:15:12
Message-ID: 20140729101512.546da770 () anarchist ! wooz ! org
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On Jul 29, 2014, at 10:13 AM, Aurelien Bompard wrote:

>I'm interested in helping port MM3 to SQLAlchemy, I've had some experience
>with it in the past.  But first I'll add some tests to my patch, then I'll
>port KittyStore to SQLAlchemy, so I'll make less mistakes porting MM3, whi=
ch
>is a significantly bigger piece.

Sounds great.  Help is greatly appreciated!  I have an unfinished branch
somewhere which I'll try to resurrect if there's anything useful there.  I
think this will be a deep change, especially since there are ties to the
testing infrastructure, so it might be best to collaborate on it.  I'm quite
happy of course to do that with you!

>Do you think we can release MM3 with Storm? Should we wait for the SQLAlch=
emy
>port?  It's not in the TODO list on
>http://wiki.list.org/display/DEV/Mailman+3.0

I'm becoming increasingly concerned about our dependence on Storm, and not
just because of the lack of Python 3 support[*].  While I like the simple a=
nd
transparent model, I think the problems we're having with both SQLite and
PostgreSQL point to the need to switch.  If we don't have a reliable databa=
se
layer, how can we possibly release?

Opinions very much welcome.  If there's consensus that the switch is needed,
I'll add it to the wiki page above and start spending time on it.

Cheers,
-Barry

[*] Don't worry, porting Mailman to Python 3 is *not* on the table for 3.0.

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