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Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] UK user community?
From: Marc_Paré <marc () marcpare ! com>
Date: 2010-09-20 14:11:27
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Le 2010-09-20 07:41, Patricia Fraser a écrit :
> Hi,
>
>> Other countries seem to be organising user communities, but I've
>> not seen anything for the UK. Perhaps it is easier for some other
>> countries as they already had active Mandriva user communities - I
>> never managed to find one for the UK, so perhaps it never existed!
>>
>> Has anybody set up anything for UK Mageia users? If not, would
>> anybody from the UK be prepared to help me to start something?
> I'd help! I'm in Poland, but I'd be interested in helping with any UK
> English localisation, and supporting and following UK group
> activities - including any marketing, because it's my nearest
> English-speaking country and my English is UK English, not US
> English. I use a UK keyboard, I use Euros and GBP, I use EN-GB
> dictionaries and thesauruses...
>
> While I agree that a complete repo is a good thing, local user/action
> groups make it possible to actually organise a large number of
> people, and to receive ideas from them in manageable chunks...
>
> Just an idea...
>
>
>
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I don't think there is anyway around this. Community and Language based
domain sites will exist as these do also cover cultural and
nationalistic boundaries. Human nature being what it is, we all want to
belong to a piece of where we come from. It just depends on how we view
or define ourselves.
In a perfect world, the Mageia organisers (core group) would have
pre-registered all important domain names and permutations considered
important to the project. Even if "Mageia (Linux)" is called a
community-based project, you still have to approach it from a "business"
model. Organising the domain situation should be (should have been) top
priority. Coordinating the registration of the localised (country-based)
domains for any internet based endeavour (for-profit or non-profit
organisation) should always figure in the initial planning stages.
However, this would have required a considerable amount of financial
outlay at the onset of the project as well as a great amount of
coordination worldwide with cooperating partners -- you cannot register
a country-based domain unless you are a citizen of that country or you
risk being challenged on your ownership and risk losing your domain.
It would then be reasonable to say that the Mageia project will need,
after all of its initial organizing, to try to coordinate the
cooperation of language and local websites. Being a community-based
distro, it would be imperative on our parts to lend a hand at helping
the project in this way in a non-discriminating way. That is to say, if
we own a domain that is considered a TLD (top level domain) for this
project, we should coordinate closely with the flag-ship Mageia domain
(http://www.mageia.org).
Most of the "mageia" domains and permutations that matter have pretty
well been registered. The ones that mattered were well registered by the
end of the day on Sunday. I would suggest that a further name change in
the near future may be necessary if the coordination under the "Mageia"
banner is too difficult to manage for the project.
In my opinion, the localised magiea.country domains, should, for now,
point to the main site, unless the localised site requires special
language consideration with an obvious link to the main mageia website.
The main Mageia site should make every effort to support language
translation of important materials and organise language support fora
for the different language groups. This, language support fora, should
then be well coordinated so that a clear path of information makes it
way back up to the Mageia structure for policy making. Making all work
together regardless of language barriers is important. The use of Fora
for the project is important, as for most users today, accessing a
"forums" board is quite easily done and the feeling of belonging to the
group is easily achievable. Mailists and NNTP (Usenet) are a little more
difficult to maintain from a practical view for most users. Making it
easy to participate to the community will attract a larger amount of
users. Let's make it easy for users to join and participate.
This then leads to the topic of the one overriding official language for
the dissemination of Mageia information. We all know that, in the real
intenational business world, the lingua franca is English. I would
propose English as the unifying language for the site for all involved.
This is not to disparage other languages as contributions could still be
done in the particular fora on the site. The dissemination would then,
of course, have to be done as much as possible in all languages
supported by Mageia.
Marc Paré
Canada
http://www.mageia.ca
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Le 2010-09-20 07:41, Patricia Fraser a écrit :
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<pre wrap="">Hi,
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">Other countries seem to be organising user communities, but I've
not seen anything for the UK. Perhaps it is easier for some other
countries as they already had active Mandriva user communities - I
never managed to find one for the UK, so perhaps it never existed!
Has anybody set up anything for UK Mageia users? If not, would
anybody from the UK be prepared to help me to start something?
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">
I'd help! I'm in Poland, but I'd be interested in helping with any UK
English localisation, and supporting and following UK group
activities - including any marketing, because it's my nearest
English-speaking country and my English is UK English, not US
English. I use a UK keyboard, I use Euros and GBP, I use EN-GB
dictionaries and thesauruses...
While I agree that a complete repo is a good thing, local user/action
groups make it possible to actually organise a large number of
people, and to receive ideas from them in manageable chunks...
Just an idea...
</pre>
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I don't think there is anyway around this. Community and Language
based domain sites will exist as these do also cover cultural and
nationalistic boundaries. Human nature being what it is, we all want
to belong to a piece of where we come from. It just depends on how
we view or define ourselves. <br>
<br>
In a perfect world, the Mageia organisers (core group) would have
pre-registered all important domain names and permutations
considered important to the project. Even if "Mageia (Linux)" is
called a community-based project, you still have to approach it from
a "business" model. Organising the domain situation should be
(should have been) top priority. Coordinating the registration of
the localised (country-based) domains for any internet based
endeavour (for-profit or non-profit organisation) should always
figure in the initial planning stages. However, this would have
required a considerable amount of financial outlay at the onset of
the project as well as a great amount of coordination worldwide with
cooperating partners -- you cannot register a country-based domain
unless you are a citizen of that country or you risk being
challenged on your ownership and risk losing your domain. <br>
<br>
It would then be reasonable to say that the Mageia project will
need, after all of its initial organizing, to try to coordinate the
cooperation of language and local websites. Being a community-based
distro, it would be imperative on our parts to lend a hand at
helping the project in this way in a non-discriminating way. That is
to say, if we own a domain that is considered a TLD (top level
domain) for this project, we should coordinate closely with the
flag-ship Mageia domain (<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" \
href="http://www.mageia.org">http://www.mageia.org</a>).<br> <br>
Most of the "mageia" domains and permutations that matter have
pretty well been registered. The ones that mattered were well
registered by the end of the day on Sunday. I would suggest that a
further name change in the near future may be necessary if the
coordination under the "Mageia" banner is too difficult to manage
for the project.<br>
<br>
In my opinion, the localised magiea.country domains, should, for
now, point to the main site, unless the localised site requires
special language consideration with an obvious link to the main
mageia website. The main Mageia site should make every effort to
support language translation of important materials and organise
language support fora for the different language groups. This,
language support fora, should then be well coordinated so that a
clear path of information makes it way back up to the Mageia
structure for policy making. Making all work together regardless of
language barriers is important. The use of Fora for the project is
important, as for most users today, accessing a "forums" board is
quite easily done and the feeling of belonging to the group is
easily achievable. Mailists and NNTP (Usenet) are a little more
difficult to maintain from a practical view for most users. Making
it easy to participate to the community will attract a larger amount
of users. Let's make it easy for users to join and participate.<br>
<br>
This then leads to the topic of the one overriding official language
for the dissemination of Mageia information. We all know that, in
the real intenational business world, the lingua franca is English.
I would propose English as the unifying language for the site for
all involved. This is not to disparage other languages as
contributions could still be done in the particular fora on the
site. The dissemination would then, of course, have to be done as
much as possible in all languages supported by Mageia.<br>
<br>
Marc Paré<br>
Canada<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" \
href="http://www.mageia.ca">http://www.mageia.ca</a><br> </body>
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