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List:       lyx-users
Subject:    Re: Importing Lyx files in SWP
From:       Ken <kmailuk () googlemail ! com>
Date:       2009-11-23 13:21:31
Message-ID: 569dd48b0911230521o73ef1d3eu2212a92fca151148 () mail ! gmail ! com
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Hi Gyorgy,

Thanks so much for your comments.  I have not used mupad and tend to
create all my charts in Matlab so I was unaware of those features.
Maybe I was too harsh on SWP...but I do vastly prefer LyX.  And maybe
your comments might spark some work within LyX on the unimplemented
features you mentioned.

The one question I have which I did not understand from your post was
on latex2e and using SWP and LyX in parallel.  Could you please
elaborate on how you use latex2e to use these two programs together.
Is latex2e conversion set up in the standard LyX installation?  Would
latex2e strip out non-native latex commands like \tabularnewline so
that a LyX document will import into SWP easily?

Thanks,
Ken


2009/11/23 Gyorgy SZEIDL <Gyorgy.SZEIDL@uni-miskolc.hu>:
> Ken wrote:
>
> Giulio Morello <giulio.morello@...> writes:
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> I am working with Lyx and my co-author is using SWP. The problem we have is
>
>
> that he is not able to open
>
>
> Lyx-exported tex files (plain latex) into SWP.
> There's no tables, figures, or strange things inside my tex files, just text
>
>
> and equations.
>
>
> I serched around the internet but found no useful info. Do you know what can
>
>
> we do for having SWP read tex files
>
>
> created in Lyx?
>
> (really would like to keep using Lyx and not switching to SWP...)
>
> Best,
> Giulio Morello
>
>
> Hi Giulio,
>
> I have also had a similar problem.  I love LyX and think it is a far
> superior
> product to Scientific Word/Workplace.  Under most circumstances I would not
> use
> SWP over LyX even if you paid me!
>
>
>
>    i disagree. swp is better than lyx in many respects. for istance
>      (1) it has a mupad kernel which makes possible to carry out symbolic
>           calculations with the equations one has typeset.
>      (2) you can also create various diagrams which represent the functions
> you have
>           already typeset as equations.
>      (3) swp recognizes about twenty different graphical files (formats)
> such as tif, jpg,
>           eps, png, etc.
>
> That being said, it is often difficult to convert long-term users of SWP
> because
> they may be familiar with the keyboard shortcuts, have painstakingly already
> learned the little tricks the product requires to get things done the way
> you
> want, and have already learned the keyboard shortcuts.
>
> My experience is that importing a SWP portable tex file into LyX is not too
> difficult.  However, going from LyX to SWP is a bit of a challenge.
>
> One problem is that if SWP does not like a file you are trying to import, it
> uses up 100% of the CPU doing who-knows-what and the only way to stop it is
> to
> kill the process in the task manager.  Any decent application would simply
> return an error message.Another problem I have is that SWP does not like
> some latex commands.  I think
> that \\tabularnewline in a table is one of them (causing the above problem).
>
>
>    as far as i remember there is no command with the name \tabularnewline in
> the standrad latex
>    documentclasses. i have had no problem with plain latex files in swp
> provided that the tables were
>    created by using  the standard tabular environment under lyx.
>
> When working on a document where a colleague is steadfast on using SWP, my
> strategy has been to abandon LyX and use his program.  What I tend to do is
> have
> SWP and LyX open.  I also use notepad++ to view the .tex file of the SWP
> paper
> and "show source" in LyX.  I copy and paste little chunks from LyX into the
> SWP
> .tex file and check that SWP liked it.  If not, I try to create a simple
> example
> in SWP, see how SWP likes it coded, and then adapt my LyX/Tex code to the
> way
> SWP likes it.  It is a pain but you quickly learn what SWP wants and how to
> get
> your LyX document into its format.  Once I have moved my document to SWP I
> continue to use it with my co-author.
>
>
>
>    i am convinced that the use of standard latex2e commands can not cause
> any problem no matter which system
>    is  used: lyx or swp5.5. sometimes i use them parallel  to each other and
> so far everything has been ok for me.
>
> In the best of worlds your co-author would see the light and move to LyX.
> Unfortunately, I don't think there is an easy way to use the two
> simultaneously
> (one main reason is the SWP has its own TCIMACRO comment lines which perform
> various actions within the program that are not latex code).  One of you
> will
> have to give in and use the other's favourite typesetting package.
>
> If anyone else has thoughts/experience/solutions, I would be interested.
>
> Regards,
> Ken
>
>
>
> best regards
> g. szeidl
> (beta tester of swp)
>
> --
> ________________________________
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> Department of Mechanics
> University of Miskolc
> 3515 Miskolc-Egyetemváros
> Hungary
> Phone: 36-46-565-111 ext. 18-92
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