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Subject: Re: [VOTE] Solr to become a top-level Apache project (TLP)
From: Marcus Eagan <marcuseagan () gmail ! com>
Date: 2020-07-25 5:40:07
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Hi All,
When do these projects separate into their own TLP's? What is the timeline?
Or is there documentation on the process of splitting an existing project
into two separate projects?
Best,
Marcus
On Tue, May 19, 2020 at 1:51 AM Dawid Weiss <dawid.weiss@gmail.com> wrote:
> It is now Tuesday, May 19, 2020, 8:46 AM GMT.
>
> A re-spin of the vote closing/ summary.
>
> 48 votes have been posted: 37 from PMC members, 8 from committers and
> 3 from user community.
>
> From this total 8 people voted -1 and 40 people voted +1. Vote
> distribution among PMC members (binding votes):
>
> [+1]: 33
> [-1]: 4
>
> The vote has passed.
>
> Dawid
>
> All collected votes in a spreadsheet:
>
>
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ZmR3C2EgA57QIeJJ3ejKCTUkHdG1lqPOU29heqybkKs/edit?usp=sharing
>
> And in plain text:
>
> +1
>
> PMC Ishan Chattopadhyaya (ichattopadhyaya@gmail.com)
> PMC Doron Cohen (cdoronc@gmail.com)
> PMC Shai Erera (serera@gmail.com)
> PMC Ryan Ernst (ryan@iernst.net)
> COMMITTER Jim Ferenczi (jim.ferenczi@gmail.com)
> PMC Otis Gospodnetic (otis.gospodnetic@gmail.com)
> PMC Dennis Gove (dpgove@gmail.com)
> PMC Adrien Grand (jpountz@gmail.com)
> PMC Martijn v Groningen (martijn.v.groningen@gmail.com)
> PMC Mark Harwood (mharwood@apache.org)
> PMC Erik Hatcher (erik.hatcher@gmail.com)
> PMC Shawn Heisey (apache@elyograg.org)
> PMC Jan Høydahl (jan.asf@cominvent.com)
> COMMITTER Namgyu Kim (kng0828@gmail.com)
> PMC Nicholas Knize (nknize@gmail.com)
> PMC Shalin Shekhar Mangar (shalinmangar@gmail.com)
> PMC Michael McCandless (lucene@mikemccandless.com)
> PMC Christian Moen (cm@atilika.com)
> -- Gora Mohanty (gora@mimirtech.com)
> PMC Robert Muir (rcmuir@gmail.com)
> PMC Nhat Nguyen (nhat.nguyen@elastic.co.invalid)
> PMC Kevin Risden (krisden@apache.org)
> PMC Steven A Rowe (sarowe@gmail.com)
> PMC Uwe Schindler (uwe@thetaphi.de)
> PMC Koji Sekiguchi (koji.sekiguchi@rondhuit.com)
> COMMITTER Atri Sharma (atri@apache.org)
> -- Lucky Sharma (goku0910@gmail.com)
> PMC David Smiley (david.w.smiley@gmail.com)
> COMMITTER Michael Sokolov (msokolov@gmail.com)
> PMC Tommaso Teofili (tommaso.teofili@gmail.com)
> PMC Varun Thacker (varun@vthacker.in)
> COMMITTER Tomoko Uchida (tomoko.uchida.1111@gmail.com)
> PMC Andi Vajda (osaf@ovaltofu.org)
> PMC Ignacio Vera (iverase@gmail.com)
> PMC Dawid Weiss (dawid.weiss@gmail.com)
> PMC Simon Willnauer (simon.willnauer@gmail.com)
> PMC Alan Woodward (romseygeek@gmail.com)
> PMC Karl Wright (daddywri@gmail.com)
> COMMITTER Alexandre Rafalovitch (arafalov@gmail.com)
> PMC Andrzej Białecki (ab@getopt.org)
>
> -1
>
> PMC Joel Bernstein (joelsolr@gmail.com)
> COMMITTER Mike Drob (mdrob@apache.org)
> PMC Jason Gerlowski (gerlowskija@gmail.com)
> PMC Anshum Gupta (anshum@anshumgupta.net)
> COMMITTER Gus Heck (gus.heck@gmail.com)
> COMMITTER Chris Hostetter (hossman_lucene@fucit.org)
> PMC Tomás Fernández Löbbe (tomasflobbe@gmail.com)
> -- Kevin Watters (kwatters@kmwllc.com)
>
> On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 9:36 AM Dawid Weiss <dawid.weiss@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Dear Lucene and Solr developers!
> >
> > According to an earlier [DISCUSS] thread on the dev list [2], I am
> > calling for a vote on the proposal to make Solr a top-level Apache
> > project (TLP) and separate Lucene and Solr development into two
> > independent entities.
> >
> > To quickly recap the reasons and consequences of such a move: it seems
> > like the reasons for the initial merge of Lucene and Solr, around 10
> > years ago, have been achieved. Both projects are in good shape and
> > exhibit signs of independence already (mailing lists, committers,
> > patch flow). There are many technical considerations that would make
> > development much easier if we move Solr out into its own TLP.
> >
> > We discussed this issue [2] and both PMC members and committers had a
> > chance to review all the pros and cons and express their views. The
> > discussion showed that there are clearly different opinions on the
> > matter - some people are in favor, some are neutral, others are
> > against or not seeing the point of additional labor. Realistically, I
> > don't think reaching 100% level consensus is going to be possible --
> > we are a diverse bunch with different opinions and personalities. I
> > firmly believe this is the right direction hence the decision to put
> > it under the voting process. Should something take a wrong turn in the
> > future (as some folks worry it may), all blame is on me.
> >
> > Therefore, the proposal is to separate Solr from under Lucene TLP, and
> > make it a TLP on its own. The initial structure of the new PMC,
> > committer base, git repositories and other managerial aspects can be
> > worked out during the process if the decision passes.
> >
> > Please indicate one of the following (see [1] for guidelines):
> >
> > [ ] +1 - yes, I vote for the proposal
> > [ ] -1 - no, I vote against the proposal
> >
> > Please note that anyone in the Lucene+Solr community is invited to
> > express their opinion, though only Lucene+Solr committers cast binding
> > votes (indicate non-binding votes in your reply, please).
> >
> > The vote will be active for a week to give everyone a chance to read
> > and cast a vote.
> >
> > Dawid
> >
> > [1] https://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html
> > [2]
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/rfae2440264f6f874e91545b2030c98e7b7e3854ddf090f7747d338df%40%3Cdev.lucene.apache.org%3E
>
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--
Marcus Eagan
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<div dir="ltr">Hi All,<div><br></div><div>When do these projects separate into their \
own TLP's? What is the timeline? Or is there documentation on the process of \
splitting an existing project into two separate \
projects?</div><div><br></div><div>Best,</div><div><br></div><div>Marcus</div></div><br><div \
class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, May 19, 2020 at 1:51 AM \
Dawid Weiss <<a href="mailto:dawid.weiss@gmail.com">dawid.weiss@gmail.com</a>> \
wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px \
0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">It is now Tuesday, May \
19, 2020, 8:46 AM GMT.<br> <br>
A re-spin of the vote closing/ summary.<br>
<br>
48 votes have been posted: 37 from PMC members, 8 from committers and<br>
3 from user community.<br>
<br>
From this total 8 people voted -1 and 40 people voted +1. Vote<br>
distribution among PMC members (binding votes):<br>
<br>
[+1]: 33<br>
[-1]: 4<br>
<br>
The vote has passed.<br>
<br>
Dawid<br>
<br>
All collected votes in a spreadsheet:<br>
<br>
<a href="https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ZmR3C2EgA57QIeJJ3ejKCTUkHdG1lqPOU29heqybkKs/edit?usp=sharing" \
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ZmR3C2EgA57QIeJJ3ejKCTUkHdG1lqPOU29heqybkKs/edit?usp=sharing</a><br>
<br>
And in plain text:<br>
<br>
+1<br>
<br>
PMC Ishan Chattopadhyaya (<a href="mailto:ichattopadhyaya@gmail.com" \
target="_blank">ichattopadhyaya@gmail.com</a>)<br> PMC Doron Cohen (<a \
href="mailto:cdoronc@gmail.com" target="_blank">cdoronc@gmail.com</a>)<br> PMC Shai \
Erera (<a href="mailto:serera@gmail.com" target="_blank">serera@gmail.com</a>)<br> \
PMC Ryan Ernst (<a href="mailto:ryan@iernst.net" \
target="_blank">ryan@iernst.net</a>)<br> COMMITTER Jim Ferenczi (<a \
href="mailto:jim.ferenczi@gmail.com" target="_blank">jim.ferenczi@gmail.com</a>)<br> \
PMC Otis Gospodnetic (<a href="mailto:otis.gospodnetic@gmail.com" \
target="_blank">otis.gospodnetic@gmail.com</a>)<br> PMC Dennis Gove (<a \
href="mailto:dpgove@gmail.com" target="_blank">dpgove@gmail.com</a>)<br> PMC Adrien \
Grand (<a href="mailto:jpountz@gmail.com" target="_blank">jpountz@gmail.com</a>)<br> \
PMC Martijn v Groningen (<a href="mailto:martijn.v.groningen@gmail.com" \
target="_blank">martijn.v.groningen@gmail.com</a>)<br> PMC Mark Harwood (<a \
href="mailto:mharwood@apache.org" target="_blank">mharwood@apache.org</a>)<br> PMC \
Erik Hatcher (<a href="mailto:erik.hatcher@gmail.com" \
target="_blank">erik.hatcher@gmail.com</a>)<br> PMC Shawn Heisey (<a \
href="mailto:apache@elyograg.org" target="_blank">apache@elyograg.org</a>)<br> PMC \
Jan Høydahl (<a href="mailto:jan.asf@cominvent.com" \
target="_blank">jan.asf@cominvent.com</a>)<br> COMMITTER Namgyu Kim (<a \
href="mailto:kng0828@gmail.com" target="_blank">kng0828@gmail.com</a>)<br> PMC \
Nicholas Knize (<a href="mailto:nknize@gmail.com" \
target="_blank">nknize@gmail.com</a>)<br> PMC Shalin Shekhar Mangar (<a \
href="mailto:shalinmangar@gmail.com" target="_blank">shalinmangar@gmail.com</a>)<br> \
PMC Michael McCandless (<a href="mailto:lucene@mikemccandless.com" \
target="_blank">lucene@mikemccandless.com</a>)<br> PMC Christian Moen (<a \
href="mailto:cm@atilika.com" target="_blank">cm@atilika.com</a>)<br>
-- Gora Mohanty (<a href="mailto:gora@mimirtech.com" \
target="_blank">gora@mimirtech.com</a>)<br> PMC Robert Muir (<a \
href="mailto:rcmuir@gmail.com" target="_blank">rcmuir@gmail.com</a>)<br> PMC Nhat \
Nguyen (<a href="mailto:nhat.nguyen@elastic.co" \
target="_blank">nhat.nguyen@elastic.co</a>.invalid)<br> PMC Kevin Risden (<a \
href="mailto:krisden@apache.org" target="_blank">krisden@apache.org</a>)<br> PMC \
Steven A Rowe (<a href="mailto:sarowe@gmail.com" \
target="_blank">sarowe@gmail.com</a>)<br> PMC Uwe Schindler (<a \
href="mailto:uwe@thetaphi.de" target="_blank">uwe@thetaphi.de</a>)<br> PMC Koji \
Sekiguchi (<a href="mailto:koji.sekiguchi@rondhuit.com" \
target="_blank">koji.sekiguchi@rondhuit.com</a>)<br> COMMITTER Atri Sharma (<a \
href="mailto:atri@apache.org" \
target="_blank">atri@apache.org</a>)<br>
-- Lucky Sharma (<a href="mailto:goku0910@gmail.com" \
target="_blank">goku0910@gmail.com</a>)<br> PMC David Smiley (<a \
href="mailto:david.w.smiley@gmail.com" \
target="_blank">david.w.smiley@gmail.com</a>)<br> COMMITTER Michael Sokolov (<a \
href="mailto:msokolov@gmail.com" target="_blank">msokolov@gmail.com</a>)<br> PMC \
Tommaso Teofili (<a href="mailto:tommaso.teofili@gmail.com" \
target="_blank">tommaso.teofili@gmail.com</a>)<br> PMC Varun Thacker (<a \
href="mailto:varun@vthacker.in" target="_blank">varun@vthacker.in</a>)<br> COMMITTER \
Tomoko Uchida (<a href="mailto:tomoko.uchida.1111@gmail.com" \
target="_blank">tomoko.uchida.1111@gmail.com</a>)<br> PMC Andi Vajda (<a \
href="mailto:osaf@ovaltofu.org" target="_blank">osaf@ovaltofu.org</a>)<br> PMC \
Ignacio Vera (<a href="mailto:iverase@gmail.com" \
target="_blank">iverase@gmail.com</a>)<br> PMC Dawid Weiss (<a \
href="mailto:dawid.weiss@gmail.com" target="_blank">dawid.weiss@gmail.com</a>)<br> \
PMC Simon Willnauer (<a href="mailto:simon.willnauer@gmail.com" \
target="_blank">simon.willnauer@gmail.com</a>)<br> PMC Alan Woodward (<a \
href="mailto:romseygeek@gmail.com" target="_blank">romseygeek@gmail.com</a>)<br> PMC \
Karl Wright (<a href="mailto:daddywri@gmail.com" \
target="_blank">daddywri@gmail.com</a>)<br> COMMITTER Alexandre Rafalovitch (<a \
href="mailto:arafalov@gmail.com" target="_blank">arafalov@gmail.com</a>)<br> PMC \
Andrzej Białecki (<a href="mailto:ab@getopt.org" \
target="_blank">ab@getopt.org</a>)<br> <br>
-1<br>
<br>
PMC Joel Bernstein (<a href="mailto:joelsolr@gmail.com" \
target="_blank">joelsolr@gmail.com</a>)<br> COMMITTER Mike Drob (<a \
href="mailto:mdrob@apache.org" target="_blank">mdrob@apache.org</a>)<br> PMC Jason \
Gerlowski (<a href="mailto:gerlowskija@gmail.com" \
target="_blank">gerlowskija@gmail.com</a>)<br> PMC Anshum Gupta (<a \
href="mailto:anshum@anshumgupta.net" target="_blank">anshum@anshumgupta.net</a>)<br> \
COMMITTER Gus Heck (<a href="mailto:gus.heck@gmail.com" \
target="_blank">gus.heck@gmail.com</a>)<br> COMMITTER Chris Hostetter (<a \
href="mailto:hossman_lucene@fucit.org" \
target="_blank">hossman_lucene@fucit.org</a>)<br> PMC Tomás Fernández Löbbe (<a \
href="mailto:tomasflobbe@gmail.com" \
target="_blank">tomasflobbe@gmail.com</a>)<br>
-- Kevin Watters (<a href="mailto:kwatters@kmwllc.com" \
target="_blank">kwatters@kmwllc.com</a>)<br> <br>
On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 9:36 AM Dawid Weiss <<a \
href="mailto:dawid.weiss@gmail.com" target="_blank">dawid.weiss@gmail.com</a>> \
wrote:<br> ><br>
> Dear Lucene and Solr developers!<br>
><br>
> According to an earlier [DISCUSS] thread on the dev list [2], I am<br>
> calling for a vote on the proposal to make Solr a top-level Apache<br>
> project (TLP) and separate Lucene and Solr development into two<br>
> independent entities.<br>
><br>
> To quickly recap the reasons and consequences of such a move: it seems<br>
> like the reasons for the initial merge of Lucene and Solr, around 10<br>
> years ago, have been achieved. Both projects are in good shape and<br>
> exhibit signs of independence already (mailing lists, committers,<br>
> patch flow). There are many technical considerations that would make<br>
> development much easier if we move Solr out into its own TLP.<br>
><br>
> We discussed this issue [2] and both PMC members and committers had a<br>
> chance to review all the pros and cons and express their views. The<br>
> discussion showed that there are clearly different opinions on the<br>
> matter - some people are in favor, some are neutral, others are<br>
> against or not seeing the point of additional labor. Realistically, I<br>
> don't think reaching 100% level consensus is going to be possible --<br>
> we are a diverse bunch with different opinions and personalities. I<br>
> firmly believe this is the right direction hence the decision to put<br>
> it under the voting process. Should something take a wrong turn in the<br>
> future (as some folks worry it may), all blame is on me.<br>
><br>
> Therefore, the proposal is to separate Solr from under Lucene TLP, and<br>
> make it a TLP on its own. The initial structure of the new PMC,<br>
> committer base, git repositories and other managerial aspects can be<br>
> worked out during the process if the decision passes.<br>
><br>
> Please indicate one of the following (see [1] for guidelines):<br>
><br>
> [ ] +1 - yes, I vote for the proposal<br>
> [ ] -1 - no, I vote against the proposal<br>
><br>
> Please note that anyone in the Lucene+Solr community is invited to<br>
> express their opinion, though only Lucene+Solr committers cast binding<br>
> votes (indicate non-binding votes in your reply, please).<br>
><br>
> The vote will be active for a week to give everyone a chance to read<br>
> and cast a vote.<br>
><br>
> Dawid<br>
><br>
> [1] <a href="https://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html" rel="noreferrer" \
target="_blank">https://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html</a><br> > [2] <a \
href="https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/rfae2440264f6f874e91545b2030c98e7b7e3854ddf090f7747d338df%40%3Cdev.lucene.apache.org%3E" \
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/rfae2440264f6f874e91545b2030c98e7b7e3854ddf090f7747d338df%40%3Cdev.lucene.apache.org%3E</a><br>
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