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Subject:    [Ltsp-discuss] will Wayland affect LTSP?
From:       Scott MacCallum <scottmaccal () gmail ! com>
Date:       2010-11-17 0:30:52
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There is Lubuntu and other distributions with the goal of producing a
desktop operating system that requires minimal hardware resources. I
think it has the potential to be perfectly suited for LTSP but I have
not tried. It seems that a move away from X by Lubuntu would not be in
its best interest in order to achieve its design goal. The project
does wants to have the official endorsement of Ubuntu so I wonder how
things will play out in next few years.

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> 1. Several issues in DHCP-Proxy and FAT-Cient        Environment
> (Patrick Riehmann)
> 2. Re: Several issues in DHCP-Proxy and FAT-Cient Environment
> (Peter D Knight)
> 3. two soundcards in the client how to config pulseaudio
> (Marco M?ller)
> 4. Re: changed server ip, no login (vla)
> 5. Localdev FAT32 permissions (Andrea Ieri)
> 6. Re: Localdev FAT32 permissions (Peter D Knight)
> 7. Re: will Wayland affect LTSP? (Xavier Brochard)
> 8. Re: Several issues in DHCP-Proxy and FAT-Cient Environment
> (Alkis Georgopoulos)
> 9. Re: will Wayland affect LTSP? (Beavis)
> 10. Cheap, small, low-specs client (Alkis Georgopoulos)
> 11. Re: Cheap, small, low-specs client (Xavier Brochard)
> 12. Re: will Wayland affect LTSP? (Rob Owens)
> 13. Re: will Wayland affect LTSP? (Rob Owens)
> 14. Re: will Wayland affect LTSP? (theluketaylor)
> 15. User / PC restriction ( Frank Sch?ttler )
> 
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 16:07:49 +0100
> From: Patrick Riehmann <patrick.riehmann@gmx.de>
> Subject: [Ltsp-discuss] Several issues in DHCP-Proxy and FAT-Cient
> Environment
> To: ltsp-discuss@lists.sourceforge.net
> Message-ID: <1BA96F5B-BDA9-4D13-96D0-F9C5948CE1C4@gmx.de>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I?ve set up a more complex environment, a mixed DHCP-Proxy and FAT-Client.
> 
> Due to ?official? constraints our LTSP server could not be a DHCP-Server,
> it has to be a DHCP-Proxy.
> 
> So I installed the common LTSP server with 10.10-Ubuntu-Alternate-CD a
> some days ago, disabled the dhcp3 server and enabled the DNSMasq using this HowTo:
> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ProxyDHCP
> 
> Subsequently I installed the FAT-Client-Chroot using this HowTo:
> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/FatClients
> 
> But I have still the following issues in it.
> 
> 1. The clients are able to get their IP from the DHCP server and their pxe image
> from the LTSP-Sever and to boot the kernel and init via NBD. But the cannot start
> the LDM. (a few times it ends in busybox, but this might be another problem).
> 
> This can be circumvented by removing the autoconf=dhcp option in the \
> pxelinux.cfg/default and the LDM come up and it is possible to login.
> 
> 2. The second one that might be related, is the internet connectivity in the \
> client. After user login the clients have their correct IPs, but no internet acces,
> So I?ve inserted the DNS server and the search domain in my lts.conf (which is in \
> the TFTP tree). It does not solves the problem, but i recognized that the client \
> has no route to the gateway x.x.x.254. If I add a route as root with ? ip route add \
> x.x.x.254? manually, the client has regular internet access. 
> I?ve tried to work around the problem by placing a script which calls the route in \
> /etc/init.d in the chroot enviromnet, update the image and enable the script in the \
> lts.conf via RCFILE_01=/etc/init.d/gateway. Unfortunetly  it seems that it isn?t \
> invoked during client. 
> 
> 
> Hope anybody can help me.
> 
> 
> P.S. One last question: Does the lts.conf effects fat-clients at all?
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 18:58:19 +0200
> From: Peter D Knight <pdk.knight@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Several issues in DHCP-Proxy and FAT-Cient
> Environment
> To: ltsp-discuss@lists.sourceforge.net
> Message-ID: <1289494699.2000.1.camel@phuzamoya>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> 
> You may be able to setup a command in /etc/x11/xsession.d
> checkout the present setup then create a new file with an appropriate
> number with the command in it.
> Peter
> On Thu, 2010-11-11 at 16:07 +0100, Patrick Riehmann wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I?ve set up a more complex environment, a mixed DHCP-Proxy and FAT-Client.
> > 
> > Due to ?official? constraints our LTSP server could not be a DHCP-Server,
> > it has to be a DHCP-Proxy.
> > 
> > So I installed the common LTSP server with 10.10-Ubuntu-Alternate-CD a
> > some days ago, disabled the dhcp3 server and enabled the DNSMasq using this \
> > HowTo: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ProxyDHCP
> > 
> > Subsequently I installed the FAT-Client-Chroot using this HowTo:
> > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/FatClients
> > 
> > But I have still the following issues in it.
> > 
> > 1. The clients are able to get their IP from the DHCP server and their pxe image
> > from the LTSP-Sever and to boot the kernel and init via NBD. But the cannot start
> > the LDM. (a few times it ends in busybox, but this might be another problem).
> > 
> > This can be circumvented by removing the autoconf=dhcp option in the \
> > pxelinux.cfg/default and the LDM come up and it is possible to login.
> > 
> > 2. The second one that might be related, is the internet connectivity in the \
> > client. After user login the clients have their correct IPs, but no internet \
> > acces, So I?ve inserted the DNS server and the search domain in my lts.conf \
> > (which is in the TFTP tree). It does not solves the problem, but i recognized \
> > that the client has no route to the gateway x.x.x.254. If I add a route as root \
> > with ? ip route add x.x.x.254? manually, the client has regular internet access. 
> > I?ve tried to work around the problem by placing a script which calls the route \
> > in /etc/init.d in the chroot enviromnet, update the image and enable the script \
> > in the lts.conf via RCFILE_01=/etc/init.d/gateway. Unfortunetly  it seems that it \
> > isn?t invoked during client. 
> > 
> > 
> > Hope anybody can help me.
> > 
> > 
> > P.S. One last question: Does the lts.conf effects fat-clients at all?
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 20:29:23 +0100
> From: Marco M?ller <user10_99@yahoo.de>
> Subject: [Ltsp-discuss] two soundcards in the client how to config
> pulseaudio
> To: ltsp-discuss@lists.sourceforge.net
> Message-ID: <201011112029.24009.user10_99@yahoo.de>
> Content-Type: text/plain;  charset="iso-8859-1"
> 
> Hello,
> got here 2 sinks / soundcards:
> sink0 Name: alsa_output.pci-0000_01_05.1.hdmi-stereo
> alsa_card.pci-0000_01_05.1
> sink1 Name: alsa_output.pci-0000_00_14.2.analog-stereo
> alsa_card.pci-0000_00_14.2
> 
> pactl stat:
> Momentane Nutzung: 1 Bl?cke mit insgesamt 63,9 KB Bytes.
> W?hrend gesamter Laufzeit: 8006 Bl?cke mit insgesamt 195,5 MB Bytes.
> Sample-Pufferspeichergr?sse: 0 B
> Name des Nutzers: pulse
> Rechnername: ltsp20
> Name des Servers: pulseaudio
> Version des Server: 0.9.21-63-gd3efa-dirty
> Standard-Sample-Angabe: s16le 2ch 44100Hz
> Standard-Kanal-Zuordnung: front-left,front-right
> Standard-Ausgabe: alsa_output.pci-0000_00_14.2.analog-stereo
> -Standard-Quelle: alsa_input.pci-0000_00_14.2.analog-stereo
> Cookie: 01bd6117
> 
> In smplayer got sound over sink0 hdmi-stereo
> In ltsp-localapps mythfrontend got sound over sink1 analog-stereo
> 
> in pulseaudio FAQ found this:
> Can I use PulseAudio to playback music on two sound cards simultaneously?
> 
> Yes! Use module-combine for that.
> 
> load-module module-alsa-sink device="front:Intel" sink_name=output0
> load-module module-alsa-sink device="front:HDA" sink_name=output1
> load-module module-combine sink_name=combined master=output0 slaves=output1
> set-sink-default combined
> 
> This will combine the two sinks output0 and output1 into a new sink
> combined. Every sample written to the latter will be forwarded to the
> former two. PulseAudio will make sure to adjust the sample rate of the
> slave device in case it deviates from the master device. You can have more
> than one slave sink attached to the combined sink, and hence combine even
> three and more sound cards.
> 
> When I try this:
> pactl load-module module-alsa-sink device="alsa_card.pci-0000_01_05.1"
> sink_name=output0
> Modulinitialisierung failed
> 
> Finally I want audio playback on both cards simultaneously.
> 
> Gru? Marco
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 19:01:23 +0100
> From: vla <vla99@gmx.de>
> Subject: Re: [Ltsp-discuss] changed server ip, no login
> To: ltsp-discuss@lists.sourceforge.net
> Message-ID: <4CDD80F3.900@gmx.de>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> 
> Am 04.11.2010 23:52, schrieb ltsp-discuss-request@lists.sourceforge.net:
> > It's the opposite, ltsp-update-sshkeys&&  ltsp-update-image.
> 
> sorry, i executed sshkeys first, but no change.
> 
> what i did:
> i clone a working ltsp-server, change its ip-address, execute
> ltsp-update-sshkeys and ltsp-update-image,
> get a logon screen on its clients but cannot login.
> 
> workaround:
> on client, i change to the console, login as root, delete
> /root/.ssh/known_hosts, switch back to graphical login and can log in.
> 
> so i deleted /opt/ltsp/i386/root/.ssh/known_hosts,
> executed ltsp-update-image and can now log in on clients.
> 
> my next question, should i generate a new known_hosts file for root and how?
> 
> Manfred
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 19:37:49 +0100
> From: Andrea Ieri <accounts@mailspot.org>
> Subject: [Ltsp-discuss] Localdev FAT32 permissions
> To: ltsp-discuss@lists.sourceforge.net
> Message-ID: <4CDD897D.8060809@mailspot.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> 
> Hallo, when I mount a usb thumbdrive (fat32 formatted) on my clients I
> get this entry in mtab:
> 
> ltspfs on /media/username/usbdisk-sda1 type fuse.ltspfs
> (rw,nosuid,nodev,user=username)
> 
> Files on the thumbdrive then have permissions set as 700.
> 
> How can I configure ltspfs to specify another umask?
> 
> thanks,
> Andrea Ieri
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 6
> Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 07:34:41 +0200
> From: Peter D Knight <pdk.knight@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Localdev FAT32 permissions
> To: ltsp-discuss@lists.sourceforge.net
> Message-ID: <1289626481.1714.0.camel@phuzamoya>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> 
> On ubuntu 10.04 I set
> /etc/udev/rules.d/40-permissions.rules
> KERNEL="fuse", GROUP="users",MODE="0666"
> Hope it helps
> Peter
> On Fri, 2010-11-12 at 19:37 +0100, Andrea Ieri wrote:
> > Hallo, when I mount a usb thumbdrive (fat32 formatted) on my clients I
> > get this entry in mtab:
> > 
> > ltspfs on /media/username/usbdisk-sda1 type fuse.ltspfs
> > (rw,nosuid,nodev,user=username)
> > 
> > Files on the thumbdrive then have permissions set as 700.
> > 
> > How can I configure ltspfs to specify another umask?
> > 
> > thanks,
> > Andrea Ieri
> > 
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 7
> Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 15:20:24 +0100
> From: Xavier Brochard <xavier@alternatif.org>
> Subject: Re: [Ltsp-discuss] will Wayland affect LTSP?
> To: ltsp-discuss@lists.sourceforge.net
> Message-ID: <201011131520.25174.xavier@alternatif.org>
> Content-Type: Text/Plain;  charset="iso-8859-1"
> 
> Le mardi 9 novembre 2010 03:13:33, Rob Owens a ?crit :
> > I read that Ubuntu is planning to move to Wayland as the default display
> > technology (not sure what the proper term is) in the next year or so.
> > Will this affect the ability to run LTSP on that distro in any way?
> 
> 
> > From a recent french discussion with an X developer (who mas resuming a Keith
> Packard talk):
> - almost all of X developers wants to migrate toolkits to EGL and to abandon X
> - Wayland is able to run a X server - look for "X as a Wayland client" in
> http://wayland.freedesktop.org/architecture.html
> - for distant access, the solution would be something like Spice
> 
> But all of this is not ready. Meanwhile, you should be able to replace Wayland
> by Xorg as with any other piece of software in your distribution.
> 
> 
> Xavier
> xavier@alternatif.org - 09 54 06 16 26
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 8
> Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 17:34:08 +0200
> From: Alkis Georgopoulos <alkisg@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Several issues in DHCP-Proxy and FAT-Cient
> Environment
> To: ltsp-discuss@lists.sourceforge.net
> Message-ID: <1289662448.1440.14.camel@alkis>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> 
> ???? 11-11-2010, ????? ???, ??? ??? 16:07 +0100, ?/? Patrick Riehmann
> ??????:
> > I?ve set up a more complex environment, a mixed DHCP-Proxy and FAT-Client.
> 
> Same here, but the fat chroot also serves thin clients as well.
> 
> 
> > So I installed the common LTSP server with 10.10-Ubuntu-Alternate-CD a
> > some days ago, disabled the dhcp3 server and enabled the DNSMasq using this \
> > HowTo: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ProxyDHCP
> > 
> > Subsequently I installed the FAT-Client-Chroot using this HowTo:
> > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/FatClients
> 
> I wrote both of these pages but I'm still on 10.04, so I don't know how
> they apply to 10.10. Please edit the pages to mention your experience,
> problems and/or solutions.
> 
> 
> > 1. The clients are able to get their IP from the DHCP server and their pxe image
> > from the LTSP-Sever and to boot the kernel and init via NBD. But the cannot start
> > the LDM. (a few times it ends in busybox, but this might be another problem).
> 
> The kernel and initrd are downloaded with tftp, the nbd is for the root
> dir (/) and it's mounted later on.
> 
> 
> > This can be circumvented by removing the autoconf=dhcp option in the \
> > pxelinux.cfg/default and the LDM come up and it is possible to login.
> 
> You can also specify nbdroot=server:ip instead of that.
> 
> 
> > 2. The second one that might be related, is the internet connectivity in the \
> > client. After user login the clients have their correct IPs, but no internet \
> > acces, So I?ve inserted the DNS server and the search domain in my lts.conf \
> > (which is in the TFTP tree). It does not solves the problem, but i recognized \
> > that the client has no route to the gateway x.x.x.254. If I add a route as root \
> > with ? ip route add x.x.x.254? manually, the client has regular internet access.
> 
> What's your pxelinux.cfg/default like now? Are you using IPAPPEND 3? If
> so, then the client uses the gateway that was passed by pxelinux in the
> kernel command line, which you can see if you `cat /proc/cmdline` in a
> fat client.
> 
> 
> > P.S. One last question: Does the lts.conf effects fat-clients at all?
> 
> Yes, many options like e.g. all the X_* ones are still valid for fat
> clients.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 9
> Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 10:07:14 -0600
> From: Beavis <pfunix@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Ltsp-discuss] will Wayland affect LTSP?
> To: ltsp-discuss@lists.sourceforge.net
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> <AANLkTimyFcUH7gJkDRCayLYioEOFUqxgSsyrb+AGsg+w@mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> 
> Unity desktop seems to be promising, I'm using it for on my LTSP
> implementation to segregate the applications. overall it shouldn't
> affect LTSP deployment. you can always pick Xorg back :)
> 
> -beavis
> 
> On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 8:13 PM, Rob Owens <rowens@ptd.net> wrote:
> > I read that Ubuntu is planning to move to Wayland as the default display
> > technology (not sure what the proper term is) in the next year or so.
> > Will this affect the ability to run LTSP on that distro in any way?
> > 
> > -Rob
> > 
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> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 10
> Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 22:32:06 +0200
> From: Alkis Georgopoulos <alkisg@gmail.com>
> Subject: [Ltsp-discuss] Cheap, small, low-specs client
> To: ltsp-discuss@lists.sourceforge.net
> Message-ID: <1289766726.1427.28.camel@alkis>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> 
> Can anyone suggest an inexpensive box to be used for receiving mpeg
> streams from IP-cameras, and for forwarding those streams on demand to a
> central server connected with openssl?
> 
> I.e.
> * Small in size,
> * No special CPU requirements (ARMs will also do),
> * 128 MB RAM should suffice,
> * 10/100 Mbps Ethernet,
> * Some option for a little local storage for the OS,
> * No audio or even VGA ports required. :D
> 
> We might need several of those so there shouldn't be stock problems.
> 
> We'd prefer it if the shop was within the EU.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 11
> Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 21:59:07 +0100
> From: Xavier Brochard <xavier@alternatif.org>
> Subject: Re: [Ltsp-discuss] Cheap, small, low-specs client
> To: ltsp-discuss@lists.sourceforge.net
> Message-ID: <201011142159.07938.xavier@alternatif.org>
> Content-Type: Text/Plain;  charset="iso-8859-1"
> 
> Le dimanche 14 novembre 2010 21:32:06, Alkis Georgopoulos a ?crit :
> > Can anyone suggest an inexpensive box to be used for receiving mpeg
> > streams from IP-cameras, and for forwarding those streams on demand to a
> > central server connected with openssl?
> > 
> > I.e.
> > * Small in size,
> > * No special CPU requirements (ARMs will also do),
> > * 128 MB RAM should suffice,
> > * 10/100 Mbps Ethernet,
> > * Some option for a little local storage for the OS,
> > * No audio or even VGA ports required. :D
> > 
> > We might need several of those so there shouldn't be stock problems.
> > 
> > We'd prefer it if the shop was within the EU.
> 
> Have a look at the Thincans from Artec (located in Estonia)
> www.thincan.com
> It use a Geode CPU, a free bios, and can be customized. There is an online
> shop, but don't hesitate to request something specific . They are cool.
> 
> Former employee of Artec, Martin-Eric Racine, is the current Debian/Ubuntu
> maintainer for the Geode graphic driver.
> 
> Xavier
> xavier@alternatif.org - 09 54 06 16 26
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 12
> Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 20:30:16 -0500
> From: Rob Owens <rowens@ptd.net>
> Subject: Re: [Ltsp-discuss] will Wayland affect LTSP?
> To: ltsp-discuss@lists.sourceforge.net
> Message-ID: <20101116013016.GD29430@aurora.owens.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
> 
> On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 03:20:24PM +0100, Xavier Brochard wrote:
> > Le mardi 9 novembre 2010 03:13:33, Rob Owens a ?crit :
> > > I read that Ubuntu is planning to move to Wayland as the default display
> > > technology (not sure what the proper term is) in the next year or so.
> > > Will this affect the ability to run LTSP on that distro in any way?
> > 
> > 
> > > From a recent french discussion with an X developer (who mas resuming a Keith
> > Packard talk):
> > - almost all of X developers wants to migrate toolkits to EGL and to abandon X
> > - Wayland is able to run a X server - look for "X as a Wayland client" in
> > http://wayland.freedesktop.org/architecture.html
> > - for distant access, the solution would be something like Spice
> > 
> > But all of this is not ready. Meanwhile, you should be able to replace Wayland
> > by Xorg as with any other piece of software in your distribution.
> > 
> I guess my worry is that some/many applications will eventually be
> written with only Wayland in mind, and won't work with X.  Would that
> not mean that those applications would be unusable in an LTSP
> environment?
> 
> -Rob
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 13
> Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 20:39:29 -0500
> From: Rob Owens <rowens@ptd.net>
> Subject: Re: [Ltsp-discuss] will Wayland affect LTSP?
> To: Beavis <pfunix@gmail.com>
> Cc: ltsp-discuss@lists.sourceforge.net
> Message-ID: <20101116013929.GH29430@aurora.owens.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
> 
> Unity and Wayland are different things.  Wayland is a potential
> replacement for X (with a different set of features), while Unity is a
> GUI with which Ubuntu plans to replace Gnome as their default.
> 
> -Rob
> 
> On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 10:07:14AM -0600, Beavis wrote:
> > Unity desktop seems to be promising, I'm using it for on my LTSP
> > implementation to segregate the applications. overall it shouldn't
> > affect LTSP deployment. you can always pick Xorg back :)
> > 
> > -beavis
> > 
> > On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 8:13 PM, Rob Owens <rowens@ptd.net> wrote:
> > > I read that Ubuntu is planning to move to Wayland as the default display
> > > technology (not sure what the proper term is) in the next year or so.
> > > Will this affect the ability to run LTSP on that distro in any way?
> > > 
> > > -Rob
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> Message: 14
> Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 21:19:09 -0500
> From: theluketaylor <ekul.taylor@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Ltsp-discuss] will Wayland affect LTSP?
> To: ltsp-discuss@lists.sourceforge.net
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> Wayland is designed to be targeted by toolkits not applications so
> it's GTK, QT etc you'd have to be concerned about.  I know there is
> already work under way for GTK to have wayland bindings so all
> existing gtk apps can be built for wayland.  As long as the GTK
> developers continue to maintain their X bindings you will always be
> able to build GTK apps with X support.
> 
> On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 8:30 PM, Rob Owens <rowens@ptd.net> wrote:
> > On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 03:20:24PM +0100, Xavier Brochard wrote:
> > > Le mardi 9 novembre 2010 03:13:33, Rob Owens a ?crit :
> > > > I read that Ubuntu is planning to move to Wayland as the default display
> > > > technology (not sure what the proper term is) in the next year or so.
> > > > Will this affect the ability to run LTSP on that distro in any way?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > From a recent french discussion with an X developer (who mas resuming a Keith
> > > Packard talk):
> > > - almost all of X developers wants to migrate toolkits to EGL and to abandon X
> > > - Wayland is able to run a X server - look for "X as a Wayland client" in
> > > http://wayland.freedesktop.org/architecture.html
> > > - for distant access, the solution would be something like Spice
> > > 
> > > But all of this is not ready. Meanwhile, you should be able to replace Wayland
> > > by Xorg as with any other piece of software in your distribution.
> > > 
> > I guess my worry is that some/many applications will eventually be
> > written with only Wayland in mind, and won't work with X. ?Would that
> > not mean that those applications would be unusable in an LTSP
> > environment?
> > 
> > -Rob
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> Message: 15
> Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 09:23:12 +0100
> From: " Frank Sch?ttler " <F.Schoettler@olpe.de>
> Subject: [Ltsp-discuss] User / PC restriction
> To: <ltsp-discuss@lists.sourceforge.net>
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> Hi everybody,
> 
> ist ist possible to prevent RDP connections for dedicated PCs(rooms)?
> 
> In our library I dont want the pupils to start a RDP konnection to
> the WINDOWS Terminalserver.
> 
> All PCs booting up the same IMAGE provides by KIWI-LTSP.
> The start up a Gnome-Desktop. On this desktop is a Starter to
> the WIN-TS ( rdesktop -ip(WIN-TS)).
> 
> Mabye a restriction via MACADRESS in ltsp.conf preventing RDP
> ACCESS?!?!?!
> 
> 
> I want something like that:
> ------------------------               ----------------
> ------------------
> > OpenSchoolServer|               | KIWI-LTSP|             |WINDOWS-TS|
> > LDAP/NFS/PROXY  |              |TFTP/PXE   |             |non-wine
> prog|
> ------------------------               ----------------
> -------------------
> > > 
> > 
> > > 
> > 
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>  |                                                 Switches
> > 
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>  |
> > 
> > 
> > 
> ----------------------------
> ----------------------------
> > Thin (Diskless) Clients|                                         |Thin
> (Diskless) Clients|
> > booting via PXE     |                                         |
> booting via PXE     |
> > Classroom / RDP=OK|                                         | library
> / RDP=false   |
> ----------------------------
> ---------------------------
> 
> Hope that isnt to bizzare ......
> 
> Frank
> 
> 
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