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Subject: RE: when to use strong name confusion
From: "Reineri, Jim" <jreineri () prenova ! com>
Date: 2008-10-30 15:05:34
Message-ID: AEC8F23AABBF464587D0BF7623D9F2B00A897C3400 () pollux ! corp ! prenova ! com
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This is exactly right. The only downside of deploying unsigned log4net wit=
h each application is that you would end up with a copy of the dll in each =
deployed application. At < 300k that is a very small downside in most situ=
ations.
Jim
From: Walden H. Leverich [mailto:WaldenL@TechSoftInc.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 10:51 AM
To: Log4NET User; hdjim69@yahoo.com
Subject: RE: when to use strong name confusion
> just want to be able to go into each project and add a reference to the l=
og4net.dll and that should do it.
>No GAC just a reference in each project to the log4net.dll.
Correct. _IF_ you used the signed version (or signed a build yourself) you =
could drop it in the GAC and then you wouldn't need a copy in each deployme=
nt directory (you'd still need a reference) but we've found the GAC closer =
to DLL-hell then not. It's simple enough to drop a copy of log4net.dll in t=
he deployment directory and away you go. Plus, if you were to use a strongl=
y named version then every time you rebuilt it you would have to adjust you=
r references as the full version # is included in the strong name. Not the =
end of the world for log4net.dll, but there are updates.
-Walden
--
Walden H Leverich III
Tech Software
(516) 627-3800 x3051
WaldenL@TechSoftInc.com<mailto:WaldenL@TechSoftInc.com>
http://www.TechSoftInc.com<http://www.techsoftinc.com/>
Quiquid latine dictum sit altum viditur.
(Whatever is said in Latin seems profound.)
From: hdjim69 [mailto:hdjim69@yahoo.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 10:04 AM
To: Log4NET User
Subject: RE: when to use strong name confusion
Yes, this is for internal use. We are not a vendor. However we have severa=
l projects in the solution (VS2005) that need to log (client.exe, client.dl=
l, server.dll, etc.). I just want to be able to go into each project and a=
dd a reference to the log4net.dll and that should do it. No GAC just a ref=
erence in each project to the log4net.dll.
Is this the correct way to set up referencing this .dll?
--- On Thu, 10/30/08, Walden H. Leverich <WaldenL@TechSoftInc.com> wrote:
From: Walden H. Leverich <WaldenL@TechSoftInc.com>
Subject: RE: when to use strong name confusion
To: "Log4NET User" <log4net-user@logging.apache.org>, hdjim69@yahoo.com
Date: Thursday, October 30, 2008, 9:45 AM
Is this for _internal_ use? IOW, you're not a ISV getting ready to distribu=
te software, right? In that case, just ignore strong names completely. Use =
the DLL as it, and don't worry about sn.exe or signing at all. Except in ra=
re cases (and you'll know when you get there) there is no point in using st=
rongly named assemblies internally.
If you're an ISV, then consider it, but then you'll have to understand stro=
ng names for your own stuff and the log4net stuff will seem obvious.
-Walden
--
Walden H Leverich III
Tech Software
(516) 627-3800 x3051
WaldenL@TechSoftInc.com<mailto:WaldenL@TechSoftInc.com>
http://www.TechSoftInc.com<http://www.techsoftinc.com/>
Quiquid latine dictum sit altum viditur.
(Whatever is said in Latin seems profound.)
From: hdjim69 [mailto:hdjim69@yahoo.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 8:54 AM
To: log4net-user@logging.apache.org
Subject: when to use strong name confusion
Hello,
Not sure I understand the strong name requirements. I'm on .Net 2.0. Ther=
e is already a .dll in the log4net-1.2.10\bin\net\2.0 dir. Do I need to reb=
uild this .dll with a strong name key or can I just use this dll as it is ?=
I know what a strong name is and how to generate a private/public key b=
ut still not sure how this relates to when and why I would need to do this =
with log4net.
Any help would be appreciated.
TIA
J
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>This is exactly right. The only downside of deploying unsigned \
log4net with each application is that you would end up with a copy of the dll in each
deployed application. At < 300k that is a very small downside in most
situations.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Jim<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><span \
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span \
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Walden H. Leverich \
[mailto:WaldenL@TechSoftInc.com] <br> <b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 30, 2008 10:51 \
AM<br> <b>To:</b> Log4NET User; hdjim69@yahoo.com<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: when to use strong name confusion<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>></span><span \
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> just want to be able to go \
into each project and add a reference to the log4net.dll and that should do it. \
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span \
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>>No GAC just a reference \
in each project to the log4net.dll.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span \
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span \
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Correct. _<i>IF</i>_ you \
used the signed version (or signed a build yourself) you could drop it in the GAC and \
then you wouldn't need a copy in each deployment directory (you'd still need a \
reference) but we've found the GAC closer to DLL-hell then not. It's simple enough to \
drop a copy of log4net.dll in the deployment directory and away you go. Plus, if you \
were to use a strongly named version then every time you rebuilt it you would have to \
adjust your references as the full version # is included in the strong name. Not the \
end of the world for log4net.dll, but there are updates.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span \
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span \
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>-Walden</span><span \
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>-- <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Walden H Leverich III<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Tech Software<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>(516) 627-3800 x3051<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><a href="mailto:WaldenL@TechSoftInc.com"><span style='color:
blue'>WaldenL@TechSoftInc.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><a href="http://www.techsoftinc.com/"><span \
style='color:blue'>http://www.TechSoftInc.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Quiquid latine dictum sit altum viditur.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>(Whatever is said in Latin seems profound.)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span \
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span \
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> hdjim69 \
[mailto:hdjim69@yahoo.com] <br> <b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 30, 2008 10:04 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Log4NET User<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: when to use strong name confusion<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span \
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Yes, this is for internal \
use. We are not a vendor. However we have several projects in the solution \
(VS2005) that need to log (client.exe, client.dll, server.dll, etc.). I just \
want to be able to go into each project and add a reference to the log4net.dll and \
that should do it. No GAC just a reference in each project to the log4net.dll. \
</span><o:p></o:p></p> </div>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span \
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Is this the correct way to \
set up referencing this .dll?<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div>
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<p class=MsoNormal><br>
<br>
--- On <b>Thu, 10/30/08, Walden H. Leverich \
<i><WaldenL@TechSoftInc.com></i></b> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>From: Walden H. Leverich
<WaldenL@TechSoftInc.com><br>
Subject: RE: when to use strong name confusion<br>
To: "Log4NET User" <log4net-user@logging.apache.org>,
hdjim69@yahoo.com<br>
Date: Thursday, October 30, 2008, 9:45 AM<o:p></o:p></p>
<div id=yiv769495554>
<div>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Is
this for _<i>internal</i>_ use? IOW, you're not a ISV getting ready to
distribute software, right? In that case, just ignore strong names
completely. Use the DLL as it, and don't worry about sn.exe or signing at
all. Except in rare cases (and you'll know when you get there) there is no
point in using strongly named assemblies internally. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>If
you're an ISV, then consider it, but then you'll have to understand strong
names for your own stuff and the log4net stuff will seem \
obvious.</span><o:p></o:p></p> </blockquote>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>-Walden</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>-- \
</span><o:p></o:p></p> <p class=MsoNormal \
style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span \
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Walden H \
Leverich III</span><o:p></o:p></p> <p class=MsoNormal \
style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span \
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Tech \
Software</span><o:p></o:p></p> <p class=MsoNormal \
style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span \
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>(516) \
627-3800 x3051</span><o:p></o:p></p> <p class=MsoNormal \
style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span \
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><a \
href="mailto:WaldenL@TechSoftInc.com" target="_blank"><span style='color: \
blue'>WaldenL@TechSoftInc.com</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></p> <p class=MsoNormal \
style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span \
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><a \
href="http://www.techsoftinc.com/" target="_blank"><span \
style='color:blue'>http://www.TechSoftInc.com</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></p> <p \
class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span \
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Quiquid
latine dictum sit altum viditur.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>(Whatever
is said in Latin seems profound.)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'>
<p class=MsoNormal \
style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span \
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span \
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> hdjim69 \
[mailto:hdjim69@yahoo.com] <br> <b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 30, 2008 8:54 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> log4net-user@logging.apache.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> when to use strong name confusion</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p class=MsoNormal \
style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p> \
<table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0> <tr>
<td valign=top style='padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Hello, \
</span><o:p></o:p></p> <p class=MsoNormal \
style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto'> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Not sure I
understand the strong name requirements. I'm on .Net 2.0. There
is already a .dll in the log4net-1.2.10\bin\net\2.0 dir. Do I need to rebuild
this .dll with a strong name key or can I just use this dll as it is
? I know what a strong name is and how to generate a
private/public key but still not sure how this relates to when and why I
would need to do this with log4net.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:
auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier \
New"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p> <p class=MsoNormal \
style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto'><span \
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p> <p \
class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto'><span \
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Any help would be \
appreciated.</span><o:p></o:p></p> <p class=MsoNormal \
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