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Subject: Re: ApacheCon CFP
From: Remko Popma <remko.popma () gmail ! com>
Date: 2014-01-31 16:49:35
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On Saturday, February 1, 2014, Christian Grobmeier <grobmeier@gmail.com>
wrote:
> On 31 Jan 2014, at 14:49, Matt Sicker wrote:
>
> Yeah that would work. Nashville huh? My co-worker is from there too, neat.
>>
>> In regard to the async and such, I think that'd be a great idea. One of
>> the selling points of log4j over logback is performance, right?
>>
>
> I always add the reconfiguration thing. Logback migth lose log events when
> re-configured hot, log4j doesn't.
>
> Also its more flexible (imho) due to its plugin mechanism
LOG4J2-506 is a good example of how flexible the plugin system is: a user
wants to do binary logging, and it turns out that with just a little bit of
custom code they can achieve what they need...
> Matt Sicker
>
> On Jan 31, 2014, at 0:52, Nick Williams <nicholas@nicholaswilliams.net>
> wrote:
>
>
> On Jan 30, 2014, at 9:25 PM, Matt Sicker wrote:
>
> On 30 January 2014 18:01, Nick Williams <nicholas@nicholaswilliams.net>
> wrote:
> Matt,
>
> Do you want to share a hotel room? I know it would certainly help my
> finances to split one, and depending on whether you get employer support,
> it should probably help yours as well. I'm planning on being there all five
> days (staying in the hotel Sunday night through Thursday night)--you?
>
> Sharing a hotel room sounds like a good idea. I'm not sure on which days
> I'll be there, but it would most likely be almost if not the same ones.
>
>
> Okay. I'm registering and booking my travel tomorrow (Friday, which I
> guess is actually today now). Should I book the hotel, too, and then you
> can just pay me for your part depending on how many nights we split it?
> That arrangement. works fine for me.
>
> By the way, I'm in central time, which is why the website say
> America/Chicago. I'm actually in Nashville, though.
>
>
> I was planning on putting together several CFPs. Originally I was
> thinking about these four:
>
> - An Intro to Log4j 2.0: A New Generation of Apache Logging
> - Log4j 2 in Web Applications: A Deeper Look at Effective Java EE Logging
> - Logging to Relational and NoSQL Databases with Log4j 2
> - Extending Log4j 2: Writing Custom Appenders, Filters, and Layouts
>
> I really like those ideas. You've effectively modularized all the ideas I
> had for CFPs. I'd be interested in doing any of those, but I have the least
> experience with the myriad Java EE technologies out of those four.
>
>
> Why don't you write up a CFP for the first and fourth ones? Be sure to
> include the performance studies mentioned on the website and information
> about the Levels and their extensibility, the logger interfaces, etc. in
> the first one. I'll write up the CFPs for the second and third one. Before
> we submit them, let's trade them with each other for review, proofreading,
> and comments. How about we plan on exchanging them about 6 p.m. CST Friday
> evening and then submitting them by 10 p.m. CST Friday evening. Sound good?
>
> Look forward to working with you on representing Log4j at ApacheCon.
>
> Nick
>
>
> Before you write up your CFPs, lets coordinate and come to a consensus on
> which of us is doing which CFP. Having two people there covering Log4j
> would be great!
>
> I've only drafted out a couple ideas so far, but they match up with one as
> your first one, and the other a union of the remaining.
>
> Nick
>
> On Jan 30, 2014, at 8:42 AM, Matt Sicker wrote:
>
> I know I'm not a committer (yet), but I would be interested in doing a
> talk on logging. I'll see if I can get employer support as well. Is anyone
> else interested in putting together a CFP or two? I'd like to cover the
> neat new features in log4j, why we're more awesome than SLF4J, how to use
> logging effectively (e.g., using aspects to inject trace logging, using
> informative log messages, effective usage of the API, when to use different
> levels, using markers, complex logging configurations, etc), how to help
> make log4j compatible with other logging APIs not already implemented,
> creating additional components (I.e., appenders, filters, layouts, etc.),
> and many other ideas. Obviously that's too much to cover in one talk, but
> it's a good place to start examining what topics to cover and at what
> levels of expertise.
>
> Matt Sicker
>
> On Jan 28, 2014, at 11:29, Nick Williams <nicholas@nicholaswilliams.net>
> wrote:
>
> Guys, let's show up for Apache Logging! They're hurting for CFP's right
> now. Rich Bowen at ApacheCon assures me that if money
>
>
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<div><br>On Saturday, February 1, 2014, Christian Grobmeier <<a \
href="mailto:grobmeier@gmail.com">grobmeier@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote \
class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc \
solid;padding-left:1ex"> On 31 Jan 2014, at 14:49, Matt Sicker wrote:<br>
<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc \
solid;padding-left:1ex"> Yeah that would work. Nashville huh? My co-worker is from \
there too, neat.<br> <br>
In regard to the async and such, I think that'd be a great idea. One of the \
selling points of log4j over logback is performance, right?<br> </blockquote>
<br>
I always add the reconfiguration thing. Logback migth lose log events when \
re-configured hot, log4j doesn't.<br> <br>
Also its more flexible (imho) due to its plugin \
mechanism</blockquote><div><br></div><div>LOG4J2-506 is a good example of \
how flexible the plugin system is: a <span></span>user wants to do binary \
logging, and it turns out that with just a little bit of custom code they can \
achieve what they need...</div> <div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" \
style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> <br>
<blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Matt Sicker<br>
<br>
<blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
On Jan 31, 2014, at 0:52, Nick Williams <<a>nicholas@nicholaswilliams.net</a>> \
wrote:<br> <br>
<br>
<blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
On Jan 30, 2014, at 9:25 PM, Matt Sicker wrote:<br>
<br>
<blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
On 30 January 2014 18:01, Nick Williams <<a>nicholas@nicholaswilliams.net</a>> \
wrote:<br> Matt,<br>
<br>
Do you want to share a hotel room? I know it would certainly help my finances to \
split one, and depending on whether you get employer support, it should probably help \
yours as well. I'm planning on being there all five days (staying in the hotel \
Sunday night through Thursday night)—you?<br>
</blockquote>
Sharing a hotel room sounds like a good idea. I'm not sure on which days I'll \
be there, but it would most likely be almost if not the same ones.<br> </blockquote>
<br>
Okay. I'm registering and booking my travel tomorrow (Friday, which I guess is \
actually today now). Should I book the hotel, too, and then you can just pay me for \
your part depending on how many nights we split it? That arrangement. works fine for \
me.<br>
<br>
By the way, I'm in central time, which is why the website say America/Chicago. \
I'm actually in Nashville, though.<br> <br>
<blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<br>
<blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
I was planning on putting together several CFPs. Originally I was thinking about \
these four:<br> <br>
- An Intro to Log4j 2.0: A New Generation of Apache Logging<br>
- Log4j 2 in Web Applications: A Deeper Look at Effective Java EE Logging<br>
- Logging to Relational and NoSQL Databases with Log4j 2<br>
- Extending Log4j 2: Writing Custom Appenders, Filters, and Layouts<br>
</blockquote>
I really like those ideas. You've effectively modularized all the ideas I had for \
CFPs. I'd be interested in doing any of those, but I have the least experience \
with the myriad Java EE technologies out of those four.<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
Why don't you write up a CFP for the first and fourth ones? Be sure to include \
the performance studies mentioned on the website and information about the Levels and \
their extensibility, the logger interfaces, etc. in the first one. I'll write up \
the CFPs for the second and third one. Before we submit them, let's trade them \
with each other for review, proofreading, and comments. How about we plan on \
exchanging them about 6 p.m. CST Friday evening and then submitting them by 10 p.m. \
CST Friday evening. Sound good?<br>
<br>
Look forward to working with you on representing Log4j at ApacheCon.<br>
<br>
Nick<br>
<br>
<blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<br>
<blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Before you write up your CFPs, lets coordinate and come to a consensus on which of us \
is doing which CFP. Having two people there covering Log4j would be great!<br> \
</blockquote> I've only drafted out a couple ideas so far, but they match up with \
one as your first one, and the other a union of the remaining.<br> <blockquote \
style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> Nick<br>
<br>
On Jan 30, 2014, at 8:42 AM, Matt Sicker wrote:<br>
<br>
<blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
I know I'm not a committer (yet), but I would be interested in doing a talk on \
logging. I'll see if I can get employer support as well. Is anyone else \
interested in putting together a CFP or two? I'd like to cover the neat new \
features in log4j, why we're more awesome than SLF4J, how to use logging \
effectively (e.g., using aspects to inject trace logging, using informative log \
messages, effective usage of the API, when to use different levels, using markers, \
complex logging configurations, etc), how to help make log4j compatible with other \
logging APIs not already implemented, creating additional components (I.e., \
appenders, filters, layouts, etc.), and many other ideas. Obviously that's too \
much to cover in one talk, but it's a good place to start examining what topics \
to cover and at what levels of expertise.<br>
<br>
Matt Sicker<br>
<br>
<blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
On Jan 28, 2014, at 11:29, Nick Williams <<a>nicholas@nicholaswilliams.net</a>> \
wrote:<br> <br>
Guys, let's show up for Apache Logging! They're hurting for CFP's right \
now. Rich Bowen at ApacheCon assures me that if \
money</blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote>
</div>
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