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Subject: Re: Moving the project from the incubator to Logging Services
From: "John D. Ament" <johndament () apache ! org>
Date: 2017-03-14 2:45:31
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Thorsten,
On Mon, Mar 13, 2017 at 4:50 AM Thorsten Sch=C3=B6ning <tschoening@am-soft.=
de>
wrote:
> Guten Tag John D. Ament,
> am Samstag, 11. M=C3=A4rz 2017 um 18:45 schrieben Sie:
>
> > [...]I just want to confirm you're aware of the goal. I didn't see a
> > community graduation vote from the podling.
>
> I think I am: Incubation failed and log4cxx might be moved back under
> the logging services umbrella as somewhat inactive project like
> log4php, to be able to work on it and provide support as needed. The
> docs say a graduation vote is recommended instead of required and like
> Ralph already mentioned, because of the lack of community it doesn't
> seem to make much sense at all.
>
> I was not aware I'm expected to start one in this special case, but
> obviously don't want to stand in the way. So please just tell me what
> you expect me to do, besides following the discussion of course.
>
>
Actually no, the term community is vague enough that its effectively anyone
who's interested in the project. There's nothing more for you to do. In
this case, Ralph is serving with the community's interest. At the same
time, I don't think its fair to vote on the subject here, since its a team
of one.
Just to point out - incubation never *fails* - the desired results simply
weren't met.
> Mit freundlichen Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fen,
>
> Thorsten Sch=C3=B6ning
>
> --
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>
>
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<div dir="ltr">Thorsten,<br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Mon, Mar \
13, 2017 at 4:50 AM Thorsten Schöning <<a \
href="mailto:tschoening@am-soft.de">tschoening@am-soft.de</a>> \
wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 \
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Guten Tag John D. Ament,<br \
class="gmail_msg"> am Samstag, 11. März 2017 um 18:45 schrieben Sie:<br \
class="gmail_msg"> <br class="gmail_msg">
> [...]I just want to confirm you're aware of the goal. I didn't see a<br \
class="gmail_msg"> > community graduation vote from the podling.<br \
class="gmail_msg"> <br class="gmail_msg">
I think I am: Incubation failed and log4cxx might be moved back under<br \
class="gmail_msg"> the logging services umbrella as somewhat inactive project like<br \
class="gmail_msg"> log4php, to be able to work on it and provide support as needed. \
The<br class="gmail_msg"> docs say a graduation vote is recommended instead of \
required and like<br class="gmail_msg"> Ralph already mentioned, because of the lack \
of community it doesn't<br class="gmail_msg"> seem to make much sense at all.<br \
class="gmail_msg"> <br class="gmail_msg">
I was not aware I'm expected to start one in this special case, but<br \
class="gmail_msg"> obviously don't want to stand in the way. So please just tell \
me what<br class="gmail_msg"> you expect me to do, besides following the discussion \
of course.<br class="gmail_msg"> <br \
class="gmail_msg"></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Actually no, the term community is \
vague enough that its effectively anyone who's interested in the project. \
There's nothing more for you to do. In this case, Ralph is serving with the \
community's interest. At the same time, I don't think its fair to vote on \
the subject here, since its a team of one.</div><div><br></div><div>Just to point \
out - incubation never *fails* - the desired results simply weren't met. \
</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 \
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> Mit freundlichen Grüßen,<br \
class="gmail_msg"> <br class="gmail_msg">
Thorsten Schöning<br class="gmail_msg">
<br class="gmail_msg">
--<br class="gmail_msg">
Thorsten Schöning E-Mail: Thorsten.Schoening@AM-SoFT.de<br \
class="gmail_msg"> AM-SoFT IT-Systeme <a href="http://www.AM-SoFT.de/" \
rel="noreferrer" class="gmail_msg" target="_blank">http://www.AM-SoFT.de/</a><br \
class="gmail_msg"> <br class="gmail_msg">
Telefon...........05151- 9468- 55<br class="gmail_msg">
Fax...............05151- 9468- 88<br class="gmail_msg">
Mobil..............0178-8 9468- 04<br class="gmail_msg">
<br class="gmail_msg">
AM-SoFT GmbH IT-Systeme, Brandenburger Str. 7c, 31789 Hameln<br class="gmail_msg">
AG Hannover HRB 207 694 - Geschäftsführer: Andreas Muchow<br class="gmail_msg">
<br class="gmail_msg">
</blockquote></div></div>
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