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Subject: RE: [load balancing] redirecting http to https for secure webapps
From: "Dan O'Neill" <dano () atlasdmt ! com>
Date: 2004-07-12 21:52:22
Message-ID: 754B21FBFC848C478F950EC8351DAAAF6DFD51 () seaexch01 ! corp ! avenuea ! com
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We use option 4 with our ssl apps that are terminated on BigIP. Been
doing this for a while with good success. Only difference in our setup
is we point bigip:443 to server:80 and then bigip:80 to server:82 and we
make server:82 redirect to https://. Simplifies testing/troubleshooting
for our support folks where they'd like to hit server:80 directly
without using BigIP. They don't have to remember to put the oddball
port in the URL.
________________________________
From: owner-lb-l@vegan.net [mailto:owner-lb-l@vegan.net] On Behalf Of
Fletcher Cocquyt
Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 12:35 PM
To: lb-l@vegan.net
Subject: [load balancing] redirecting http to https for secure webapps
Fellow lb'ers,
We have a webapp (/secureapp/) that we only want to make available
through https SSL.
Users trying to access http://site/secureapp/ should be redirected to
https://site/secureapp/
Given that:
1) https://site <https://site/> is a BigIP SSL proxied site
2) Apache web servers in the pool only see port 80 coming from the
BigIP (good thing - that means the SSL is offloaded on the BigIP HW)
3) Some apps (/nonsecureapp/) do not require SSL redirect
How do I best configure this redirect?
I have seen various options:
1) Rewrite rules like the one below do not work because the server
port is 80 regardless
a. RewriteCond %{SERVER_PORT} !^443$
b. RewriteRule ^/secret(.*)$ https://www.domain.com/secret$1 [L,R]
2) BigIP Rules do not seem to work - I get a loop in my testing:
a. if (http_uri matches_regex "/secureapp/" and client_port == 80)
{
b. redirect to "https://%h/%u"
c. }
3) Setting a Header value in the BigIP Proxy to trigger a re-write
rule seems like it should work, but complicated.
4) Having the BigIP SSL Proxy point to a new Apache webserver pool
listening on port 81 (something other than 80) and have the port 80
accesses to /secureapp/ redirect to https://site/secureapp/
I am thinking of doing option 4 - but thought I'd ask what others found
works best.
Thanks,
Fletcher Cocquyt
Senior Systems Administrator
fcocquyt@stanford.edu
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=308374521-12072004><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>We use option 4 with our ssl apps that are terminated on
BigIP. Been doing this for a while with good success. Only
difference in our setup is we point bigip:443 to server:80 and then
bigip:80 to server:82 and we make server:82 redirect to https://.
Simplifies testing/troubleshooting for our support folks where they'd
like to hit server:80 directly without using BigIP. They don't have to
remember to put the oddball port in the URL.</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader lang=en-us dir=ltr align=left>
<HR tabIndex=-1>
<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> owner-lb-l@vegan.net
[mailto:owner-lb-l@vegan.net] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Fletcher
Cocquyt<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, July 09, 2004 12:35 PM<BR><B>To:</B>
lb-l@vegan.net<BR><B>Subject:</B> [load balancing] redirecting http to https for
secure webapps<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV class=Section1>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Fellow <SPAN
class=SpellE>lb’ers</SPAN>,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">We have a <SPAN
class=SpellE>webapp</SPAN> (/<SPAN class=SpellE>secureapp</SPAN>/) that we only
want to make available through https SSL.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Users trying to access <A
href="http://site/secureapp/">http://site/secureapp/</A> should be redirected to
<A
href="https://site/secureapp/">https://site/secureapp/</A><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Given
that:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
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list .5in"><![if !supportLists]><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-font-family: Arial"><SPAN
style="mso-list: Ignore">1)<FONT face="Times New Roman" size=1><SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'">
</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></SPAN></FONT><![endif]><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><A
href="https://site/">https://site</A> is a <SPAN class=SpellE>BigIP</SPAN> SSL
<SPAN class=SpellE>proxied</SPAN> site<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: \
list .5in"><![if !supportLists]><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-font-family: Arial"><SPAN
style="mso-list: Ignore">2)<FONT face="Times New Roman" size=1><SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'">
</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></SPAN></FONT><![endif]><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Apache web servers in the pool only
see port 80 coming from the <SPAN class=SpellE>BigIP</SPAN> (good thing – that
means the SSL is offloaded on the <SPAN class=SpellE>BigIP</SPAN>
HW)<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: \
list .5in"><![if !supportLists]><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-font-family: Arial"><SPAN
style="mso-list: Ignore">3)<FONT face="Times New Roman" size=1><SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'">
</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></SPAN></FONT><![endif]><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Some apps (/<SPAN
class=SpellE>nonsecureapp</SPAN>/) do not require SSL
redirect<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">How do I best configure this
redirect?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I have seen various
options:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in; mso-list: l1 level1 lfo2; tab-stops: \
list .5in"><![if !supportLists]><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-font-family: Arial"><SPAN
style="mso-list: Ignore">1)<FONT face="Times New Roman" size=1><SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'">
</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></SPAN></FONT><![endif]>Rewrite rules like the one below do
not work because the server port is 80 regardless<FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in; mso-list: l1 level2 lfo2; tab-stops: \
list 1.0in"><![if !supportLists]><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-font-family: Arial"><SPAN
style="mso-list: Ignore">a.<FONT face="Times New Roman" size=1><SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'">
</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></SPAN></FONT><![endif]><SPAN
class=SpellE>RewriteCond</SPAN><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>%{SERVER_PORT}<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>!^443$<FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in; mso-list: l1 level2 lfo2; tab-stops: \
list 1.0in"><![if !supportLists]><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-font-family: Arial"><SPAN
style="mso-list: Ignore">b.<FONT face="Times New Roman" size=1><SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'">
</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></SPAN></FONT><![endif]><SPAN
class=SpellE>RewriteRule</SPAN> ^/secret(.*)$ https://www.domain.com/secret$1
[L,R]<FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in; mso-list: l1 level1 lfo2; tab-stops: \
list .5in"><![if !supportLists]><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-font-family: Arial"><SPAN
style="mso-list: Ignore">2)<FONT face="Times New Roman" size=1><SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'">
</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></SPAN></FONT><![endif]><SPAN class=SpellE><FONT face=Arial
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">BigIP</SPAN></FONT></SPAN><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> Rules do
not seem to work – I get a loop in my testing:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in; mso-list: l1 level2 lfo2; tab-stops: \
list 1.0in"><![if !supportLists]><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-font-family: Arial"><SPAN
style="mso-list: Ignore">a.<FONT face="Times New Roman" size=1><SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'">
</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></SPAN></FONT><![endif]><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">if (<SPAN
class=SpellE>http_uri</SPAN> <SPAN class=SpellE>matches_regex</SPAN> "/<SPAN
class=SpellE>secureapp</SPAN>/" and <SPAN class=SpellE>client_port</SPAN> == 80)
{<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in; mso-list: l1 level2 lfo2; tab-stops: \
list 1.0in"><![if !supportLists]><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-font-family: Arial"><SPAN
style="mso-list: Ignore">b.<FONT face="Times New Roman" size=1><SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'">
</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></SPAN></FONT><![endif]><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>redirect to
"https://%h/%u"<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in; mso-list: l1 level2 lfo2; tab-stops: \
list 1.0in"><![if !supportLists]><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-font-family: Arial"><SPAN
style="mso-list: Ignore">c.<FONT face="Times New Roman" size=1><SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'">
</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></SPAN></FONT><![endif]><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">}<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in; mso-list: l1 level1 lfo2; tab-stops: \
list .5in"><![if !supportLists]><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-font-family: Arial"><SPAN
style="mso-list: Ignore">3)<FONT face="Times New Roman" size=1><SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'">
</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></SPAN></FONT><![endif]><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Setting a Header value in the <SPAN
class=SpellE>BigIP</SPAN> Proxy to trigger a re-write rule seems like it should
work, but complicated.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in; mso-list: l1 level1 lfo2; tab-stops: \
list .5in"><![if !supportLists]><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-font-family: Arial"><SPAN
style="mso-list: Ignore">4)<FONT face="Times New Roman" size=1><SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'">
</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></SPAN></FONT><![endif]><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Having the <SPAN
class=SpellE>BigIP</SPAN> SSL Proxy point to a new Apache <SPAN
class=SpellE>webserver</SPAN> pool listening on port 81 (something other than
80) and have the port 80 accesses to /<SPAN class=SpellE>secureapp</SPAN>/
redirect to <A
href="https://site/secureapp/">https://site/secureapp/</A><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I am thinking of doing option 4 –
but thought I’d ask what others found works best.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Thanks,
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoAutoSig><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; mso-no-proof: yes">Senior Systems
Administrator<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV></BODY></HTML>
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