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Subject:    [coreboot] Re: 2023-08-23 - coreboot Leadership meeting minutes
From:       ron minnich <rminnich () gmail ! com>
Date:       2023-09-11 22:06:21
Message-ID: CAP6exYL5yJO8pjfjuU1LZdnByr68OPSAS9pOCCK10Cn3AO=Ugg () mail ! gmail ! com
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While it is true that there are binary blobs in coreboot today, that
was not always the case.

From 1999 to about 2011, all coreboot images were built from 100%
source code, most of it GPL, some of it BSD-style license (e.g.
microcode).

Around 2006, Intel made it impossible to continue with open source for
server platforms by restricting access to chipset data.

In 2014, AMD decided they would no longer release AGESA as open
source, breaking with a commitment they made in 2006 at the LinuxBIOS
meeting in Hamburg.

I don't think that the existence of blobs justifies adding more blobs.

On Mon, Sep 11, 2023 at 10:52 AM Peter Stuge <peter@stuge.se> wrote:
>
> Hello Hannah,
>
> Williams, Hannah wrote:
> > Already there are binaries FSP, AGESA, PSP being used in Coreboot
>
> We consider this historical problems in the coreboot project and it
> is absolutely not something we intend to lean into. Since you have
> a mandate to work with coreboot I guess you are onboard with this,
> after all, our culture is inherent to our project.
>
>
> > and because of IP and licensing issues everything cannot be open sourced.
>
> I consider this a temporary problem for Intel that it needs to solve
> to avoid losing future business to competing, open source solutions.
>
>
> > This is the fastest method for this specific product
>
> Since coreboot isn't owned by Intel I'm afraid Intel has to accept
> that the request gets denied by coreboot.
>
> I guess you can understand that coreboot has no incentive to make
> further compromise that would really only benefit Intel and actually
> hurt coreboot.
>
>
> > binary rule (by the way where is this stated in coreboot.org?).
>
> Do you really not understand the spirit of open source and what
> coreboot is doing since more than 20 years? I guess you do but that
> you need a reference to something written for some silly higher-ups. :\
>
>
> > We will also work closely with our other open source Linux graphics
> > team to see how we can leverage common code for future Silicon.
>
> This is a good idea. Maybe libgfxinit could even become the primary
> codebase at some point. In any case it's just silly to duplicate work
> at all, including for i915+GOP.
>
>
> Kind regards
>
> //Peter
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