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From: "Alex Devotchka" <jander6996 () hotmail ! com>
Date: 2001-09-16 1:21:55
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Oh and another thing, if all these countries are so damn great compared
to the US
Lets take for instance Afghanistan
Life expectancy is about 46 years
32 out of every 100 people can read and write
they have no functioning government
they are more concerned about war than their people
largest producer of opium in 1999 and a great deal of their revenue is
from drugs with no acceptable medical use let alone safety
US provided about $70 million in humanitarian assistance in 1997; US
continues to contribute to multilateral assistance through the UN
programs of food aid, immunization, land mine removal, and a wide range
of aid to refugees and displaced persons
Exchange rate usd to afghani is fixed at 3000 afghani for 1 usd
3 radio broadcast stations, the 1 frm probably broadcasting propaganda
since its located in Kabul
of the 46 airports they have 32 don't have paved runways
of their military manpower damn near half isn't fit for much but suicide
missions
world's largest illicit opium producer, surpassing Burma (potential
production in 1999 - 1,670 metric tons; cultivation in 1999 - 51,500
hectares, a 23% increase over 1998); a major source of hashish;
increasing number of heroin-processing laboratories being set up in the
country; major political factions in the country profit from drug trade
and Im not racist by the way that is all facts
-----Original Message-----
From: Ramunas [mailto:ramail-konf@centras.lt]
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 9:14 AM
To: linux-slackware@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [linux-slackware] Retribution
> They can't see why they are hated
>
> Americans cannot ignore what their government does abroad
>
> Special report: Terrorism in the US
> <http://www.guardian.co.uk/usterrorism>
>
> Seumas Milne
> Thursday September 13, 2001
> The Guardian <http://www.guardian.co.uk>
>
> Nearly two days after the horrific suicide attacks on civilian workers
in
> New York and Washington, it has become painfully clear that most
Americans
> simply don't get it. From the president to passersby on the streets,
the
> message seems to be the same: this is an inexplicable assault on
> freedom and
> democracy, which must be answered with overwhelming force - just
> as soon as
> someone can construct a credible account of who was actually
responsible.
> Shock, rage and grief there has been aplenty. But any glimmer of
> recognition
> of why people might have been driven to carry out such atrocities,
> sacrificing their own lives in the process - or why the United States
is
> hated with such bitterness, not only in Arab and Muslim countries, but
> across the developing world - seems almost entirely absent. Perhaps it
is
> too much to hope that, as rescue workers struggle to pull
> firefighters from
> the rubble, any but a small minority might make the connection
> between what
> has been visited upon them and what their government has visited
> upon large
> parts of the world.
> But make that connection they must, if such tragedies are not to be
> repeated, potentially with even more devastating consequences. US
> political
> leaders are doing their people no favours by reinforcing popular
ignorance
> with self-referential rhetoric. And the echoing chorus of Tony
> Blair, whose
> determination to bind Britain ever closer to US foreign policy
ratchets up
> the threat to our own cities, will only fuel anti-western
> sentiment. So will
> calls for the defence of "civilisation", with its overtones of Samuel
> Huntington's poisonous theories of post-cold war confrontation between
the
> west and Islam, heightening perceptions of racism and hypocrisy.
> As Mahatma Gandhi famously remarked when asked his opinion of western
> civilisation, it would be a good idea. Since George Bush's father
> inaugurated his new world order a decade ago, the US, supported by its
> British ally, bestrides the world like a colossus. Unconstrained by
any
> superpower rival or system of global governance, the US giant has
> rewritten
> the global financial and trading system in its own interest; ripped up
a
> string of treaties it finds inconvenient; sent troops to every
> corner of the
> globe; bombed Afghanistan, Sudan, Yugoslavia and Iraq without
> troubling the
> United Nations; maintained a string of murderous embargos against
> recalcitrant regimes; and recklessly thrown its weight behind Israel's
> 34-year illegal military occupation of the West Bank and Gaza as the
> Palestinian intifada rages.
> If, as yesterday's Wall Street Journal insisted, the east coast
> carnage was
> the fruit of the Clinton administration's Munich-like appeasement of
the
> Palestinians, the mind boggles as to what US Republicans imagine to be
a
> Churchillian response.
> It is this record of unabashed national egotism and arrogance that
drives
> anti-Americanism among swaths of the world's population, for whom
there is
> little democracy in the current distribution of global wealth and
> power. If
> it turns out that Tuesday's attacks were the work of Osama bin Laden's
> supporters, the sense that the Americans are once again reaping a
dragons'
> teeth harvest they themselves sowed will be overwhelming.
> It was the Americans, after all, who poured resources into the 1980s
war
> against the Soviet-backed regime in Kabul, at a time when girls
> could go to
> school and women to work. Bin Laden and his mojahedin were armed
> and trained
> by the CIA and MI6, as Afghanistan was turned into a wasteland and its
> communist leader Najibullah left hanging from a Kabul lamp post with
his
> genitals stuffed in his mouth.
> But by then Bin Laden had turned against his American sponsors, while
> US-sponsored Pakistani intelligence had spawned the grotesque Taliban
now
> protecting him. To punish its wayward Afghan offspring, the US
> subsequently
> forced through a sanctions regime which has helped push 4m to the
brink of
> starvation, according to the latest UN figures, while Afghan refugees
fan
> out across the world.
> All this must doubtless seem remote to Americans desperately searching
the
> debris of what is expected to be the largest-ever massacre on US soil
- as
> must the killings of yet more Palestinians in the West Bank yesterday,
or
> even the 2m estimated to have died in Congo's wars since the overthrow
of
> the US-backed Mobutu regime. "What could some political thing have to
do
> with blowing up office buildings during working hours?" one bewildered
New
> Yorker asked yesterday.
> Already, the Bush administration is assembling an international
coalition
> for an Israeli-style war against terrorism, as if such
counter-productive
> acts of outrage had an existence separate from the social
> conditions out of
> which they arise. But for every "terror network" that is rooted
> out, another
> will emerge - until the injustices and inequalities that produce them
are
> addressed.
> s.milne@guardian.co.uk <mailto:s.milne@guardian.co.uk>
>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Oh and another thing, if all these
countries are so damn great compared to the \
</span></font><st1:country-region><st1:place><font size=2 color=navy \
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial; \
color:navy'>US</span></font></st1:place></st1:country-region><font size=2 color=navy \
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial; \
color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=GramE><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Lets</span></font></span><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'> take for instance </span></font><st1:country-region><st1:place><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>Afghanistan</span></font></st1:place></st1:country-region><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Life expectancy is about 46 \
years<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>32 out of every 100 people can read and
write<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=GramE><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>they</span></font></span><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'> have no functioning government<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=GramE><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>they</span></font></span><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'> are more concerned about war than their \
people<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=GramE><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>largest</span></font></span><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'> producer of opium in 1999 and a great deal of their revenue is
from drugs with no acceptable medical use let alone \
safety<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>US provided about $70 million in humanitarian assistance in 1997; US
continues to contribute to multilateral assistance through the UN programs of
food aid, immunization, land mine removal, and a wide range of aid to refugees
and displaced persons<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Exchange rate usd to afghani is fixed at 3000 afghani for 1 \
usd<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>3 radio broadcast stations, the 1 frm probably broadcasting propaganda
since <span class=GramE>its</span> located in \
</span></font><st1:City><st1:place>Kabul</st1:place></st1:City><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=GramE><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>of</span></font></span><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'> the 46 airports they have 32 don’t have paved runways \
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span class=GramE><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>of</span></font></span><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'> their military manpower damn near half isn’t fit for much
but suicide missions<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>world's largest illicit opium producer, surpassing Burma (potential
production in 1999 - 1,670 metric tons; cultivation in 1999 - 51,500 hectares,
a 23% increase over 1998); a major source of hashish; increasing number of
heroin-processing laboratories being set up in the country; major political
factions in the country profit from drug trade<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>and Im not racist by the way that is all facts</span></font><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> Ramunas
[mailto:ramail-konf@centras.lt] <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Saturday, September 15, 2001
9:14 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b>
linux-slackware@yahoogroups.com<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [linux-slackware]
Retribution</span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><tt><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>> They can't see why they are \
hated</span></font></tt><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span \
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><br> <tt><font face="Courier \
New">></font></tt><br> <tt><font face="Courier New">> Americans cannot ignore \
what their government does abroad</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">></font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> Special report: Terrorism in the US</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> <<a
href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/usterrorism">http://www.guardian.co.uk/usterrorism</a>></font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">></font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> Seumas Milne</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> Thursday September 13, 2001</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> The Guardian <<a
href="http://www.guardian.co.uk">http://www.guardian.co.uk</a>></font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">></font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> Nearly two days after the horrific suicide
attacks on civilian workers in</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> New York and Washington, it has become
painfully clear that most Americans</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> simply don't get it. From the president to
passersby on the streets, the</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> message seems to be the same: this is an
inexplicable assault on</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> freedom and</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> democracy, which must be answered with
overwhelming force - just</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> as soon as</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> someone can construct a credible account of
who was actually responsible.</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> Shock, rage and grief there has been aplenty.
But any glimmer of</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> recognition</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> of why people might have been driven to carry
out such atrocities,</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> sacrificing their own lives in the process -
or why the United States is</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> hated with such bitterness, not only in Arab
and Muslim countries, but</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> across the developing world - seems almost
entirely absent. Perhaps it is</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> too much to hope that, as rescue workers
struggle to pull</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> firefighters from</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> the rubble, any but a small minority might
make the connection</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> between what</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> has been visited upon them and what their
government has visited</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> upon large</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> parts of the world.</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> But make that connection they must, if such
tragedies are not to be</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> repeated, potentially with even more
devastating consequences. US</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> political</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> leaders are doing their people no favours by
reinforcing popular ignorance</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> with self-referential rhetoric. And the
echoing chorus of Tony</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> Blair, whose</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> determination to bind Britain ever closer to
US foreign policy ratchets up</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> the threat to our own cities, will only fuel
anti-western</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> sentiment. So will</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> calls for the defence of
"civilisation", with its overtones of Samuel</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> \
</font></tt></span></font><st1:City><st1:place><tt><font size=2 face="Courier \
New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Huntington</span></font></tt></st1:place></st1:City><tt><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>'s poisonous theories
of post-cold war confrontation between the</span></font></tt><font size=2
face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> west and Islam, heightening perceptions of
racism and hypocrisy.</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> As Mahatma Gandhi famously remarked when
asked his opinion of western</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> civilisation, it would be a good idea. Since
George Bush's father</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> inaugurated his new world order a decade ago,
the </font></tt></span></font><st1:country-region><st1:place><tt><font size=2
face="Courier New"><span \
style='font-size:10.0pt'>US</span></font></tt></st1:place></st1:country-region><tt><font
size=2 face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>, supported by \
its</span></font></tt><font size=2 face="Courier New"><span \
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><br> <tt><font face="Courier \
New">> British ally, bestrides the world like a colossus. Unconstrained by \
any</font></tt><br> <tt><font face="Courier New">> superpower rival or system of \
global governance, the US giant has</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> rewritten</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> the global financial and trading system in
its own interest; ripped up a</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> string of treaties it finds inconvenient;
sent troops to every</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> corner of the</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> globe; bombed Afghanistan, Sudan, Yugoslavia
and Iraq without</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> troubling the</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> United Nations; maintained a string of
murderous embargos against</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> recalcitrant regimes; and recklessly thrown
its weight behind Israel's</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> 34-year illegal military occupation of the
West Bank and Gaza as the</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> Palestinian intifada rages.</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> If, as yesterday's Wall Street Journal
insisted, the east coast</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> carnage was</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> the fruit of the Clinton administration's
Munich-like appeasement of the</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> Palestinians, the mind boggles as to what US
Republicans imagine to be a</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> Churchillian response.</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> It is this record of unabashed national
egotism and arrogance that drives</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> anti-Americanism among swaths of the world's
population, for whom there is</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> little democracy in the current distribution
of global wealth and</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> power. If</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> it turns out that Tuesday's attacks were the
work of Osama bin Laden's</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> supporters, the sense that the Americans are
once again reaping a dragons'</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> teeth harvest they themselves sowed will be
overwhelming.</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> It was the Americans, after all, who poured
resources into the 1980s war</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> against the Soviet-backed regime in Kabul, at
a time when girls</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> could go to</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> school and women to work. Bin Laden and his
mojahedin were armed</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> and trained</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> by the CIA and MI6, as Afghanistan was turned
into a wasteland and its</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> communist leader Najibullah left hanging from
a Kabul lamp post with his</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> genitals stuffed in his mouth.</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> But by then Bin Laden had turned against his
American sponsors, while</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> US-sponsored Pakistani intelligence had
spawned the grotesque Taliban now</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> protecting him. To punish its wayward Afghan
offspring, the US</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> subsequently</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> forced through a sanctions regime which has
helped push 4m to the brink of</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> starvation, according to the latest UN
figures, while Afghan refugees fan</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> out across the world.</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> All this must doubtless seem remote to
Americans desperately searching the</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> debris of what is expected to be the
largest-ever massacre on US soil - as</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> must the killings of yet more Palestinians in
the West Bank yesterday, or</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> even the 2m estimated to have died in Congo's
wars since the overthrow of</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> the US-backed Mobutu regime. "What could
some political thing have to do</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> with blowing up office buildings during
working hours?" one bewildered New</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> Yorker asked yesterday.</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> Already, the Bush administration is
assembling an international coalition</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> for an Israeli-style war against terrorism,
as if such counter-productive</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> acts of outrage had an existence separate
from the social</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> conditions out of</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> which they arise. But for every "terror
network" that is rooted</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> out, another</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> will emerge - until the injustices and
inequalities that produce them are</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> addressed.</font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">> s.milne@guardian.co.uk
<mailto:s.milne@guardian.co.uk></font></tt><br>
<tt><font face="Courier New">></font></tt><br>
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