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Subject: Re: [LAD] So what do you think sucks about Linux audio ?
From: Thijs van severen <thijsvanseveren () gmail ! com>
Date: 2013-02-07 12:29:39
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2013/2/7 David Robillard <d@drobilla.net>
> On Tue, 2013-02-05 at 09:58 -0500, Dave Phillips wrote:
> [...]
> > So, in your honest and bold opinion as user and/or developer, what do we
> > lack most and what can we do without that we already have ?
>
> Well, post a thread about what people think sucks, and you'll get page
> after page after page after page like we see here.
>
> Post a thread asking for actual help on any of these things and I'd be
> surprised if you get a single reply.
>
sad but true ... or not ?
i have been actively contributing to Hydrogen for over 2 years now and i
have spend quite a bit of time trying to get more people involved (the
drumkit contest was the most recent attempt that had some visibility, but
there have been other attempts)
my conclusion is that it _is_ possible to attract new people, but you have
to invest a LOT of time into it. A general 'we are looking for people to
help out' broadcast is ok for a start, but once/if you get a reaction you
need to make sure that you email this person directly, keep in touch and
keep motivating him/her _constantly_
After all you are relying on someones goodwill so you need to keep them
happy. (this might sound weird or plain wrong, but that's the reality)
Lucky for me i'm no good at coding anyway, so i'm not wasting time (that i
could use to write code) talking to people
On the other hand i know that there are a lot of people out there that want
to help, but automatically think that we only need people that write code.
Not true of course !
IMHO keeping the manual/site/forum clean and up to date is JUST AS
IMPORTANT as delivering good apps
Sadly it sometimes happens that we simply scare off these people due to too
much tech talk, or because of the need to 'stay in charge of our beloved
project'
Also this is perfectly understandable, but i feel that any project
would benefit from having 1 ore more non-technical people that 'interface'
between the user and the developer
Hydrogen was the audio app that triggered my interest in linux and linux
audio (now over 7 years ago) but sadly i had to stop working on the project
recently due to a lac of time and a change in priorities.
However, i hope i can find some spare time in the near future and jump back
on board ;-) there is always work to be done !
after writing this i am still left with 1 final question :
It is good that we can have this kind of discussion, and i think we all see
and knowledge that there are several challenges, but ...
will we find a way to come together and make this work ... ?
Linux audio rocks !
Grtz
Thijs
>
> The one and only thing we lack is people doing constructive work.
>
> > Please, try to speak your piece without flames or dissing other
> > developers and/or their work. Frankly speaking, I've had enough of
> > that crap, and I'm most thankful these days for such forum amenities
> > as, "mute user" and autodiscard, along with the standard filters found
> > in mail clients.
>
> The only appropriate response to complainers. We all complain
> sometimes, but people who do nothing but complain are nothing but toxic.
>
> I hope this thread didn't go that way, but I'm sure as hell not going to
> read it to find out ;)
>
> -dr
>
>
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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2013/2/7 David Robillard <span dir="ltr"><<a \
href="mailto:d@drobilla.net" \
target="_blank">d@drobilla.net</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" \
style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
On Tue, 2013-02-05 at 09:58 -0500, Dave Phillips wrote:<br>
[...]<br>
<div class="im">> So, in your honest and bold opinion as user and/or developer, \
what do we<br> > lack most and what can we do without that we already have ?<br>
<br>
</div>Well, post a thread about what people think sucks, and you'll get page<br>
after page after page after page like we see here.<br>
<br>
Post a thread asking for actual help on any of these things and I'd be<br>
surprised if you get a single reply.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div><div \
style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">sad \
but true ... or not ?</div><div \
style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
<br></div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">i \
have been actively contributing to Hydrogen for over 2 years now and i have spend \
quite a bit of time trying to get more people involved (the drumkit contest was the \
most recent attempt that had some visibility, but there have been other \
attempts)</div>
<div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><br></div><div \
style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
my conclusion is that it _is_ possible to attract new people, but you have to invest \
a LOT of time into it. A general 'we are looking for people to help out' \
broadcast is ok for a start, but once/if you get a reaction you need to make sure \
that you email this person directly, keep in touch and keep motivating him/her \
_constantly_ </div>
<div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">After \
all you are relying on someones goodwill so you need to keep them happy. (this might \
sound weird or plain wrong, but that's the reality)</div>
<div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><br></div><div \
style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
Lucky for me i'm no good at coding anyway, so i'm not wasting time (that i \
could use to write code) talking to people</div><div \
style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
<br></div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">On \
the other hand i know that there are a lot of people out there that want to help, but \
automatically think that we only need people that write code. </div>
<div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Not \
true of course !</div><div \
style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
IMHO keeping the manual/site/forum clean and up to date is JUST AS IMPORTANT as \
delivering good apps</div><div \
style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><br>
</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Sadly \
it sometimes happens that we simply scare off these people due to too much tech talk, \
or because of the need to 'stay in charge of our beloved project'</div>
<div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Also \
this is perfectly understandable, but i feel that any project would benefit from \
having 1 ore more non-technical people that 'interface' between the user and \
the developer </div>
<div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"> \
</div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
Hydrogen was the audio app that triggered my interest in linux and linux audio (now \
over 7 years ago) but sadly i had to stop working on the project recently due to a \
lac of time and a change in priorities.</div><div \
style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
However, i hope i can find some spare time in the near future and jump back on board \
;-) there is always work to be done !</div><div \
style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
<br></div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><br></div><div \
style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
after writing this i am still left with 1 final question :</div><div \
style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">It \
is good that we can have this kind of discussion, and i think we all see and \
knowledge that there are several challenges, but ...</div>
<div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">will \
we find a way to come together and make this work ... ?</div><div \
style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
<br></div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Linux \
audio rocks !</div><div \
style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
<br></div><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Grtz</div><div \
style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
Thijs</div></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 \
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> <br>
The one and only thing we lack is people doing constructive work.<br>
<div class="im"><br>
> Please, try to speak your piece without flames or dissing other<br>
> developers and/or their work. Frankly speaking, I've had enough of<br>
> that crap, and I'm most thankful these days for such forum amenities<br>
</div>> as, "mute user" and autodiscard, along with the standard filters \
found<br> > in mail clients.<br>
<br>
The only appropriate response to complainers. We all complain<br>
sometimes, but people who do nothing but complain are nothing but toxic.<br>
<br>
I hope this thread didn't go that way, but I'm sure as hell not going to<br>
read it to find out ;)<br>
<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
-dr<br>
<br>
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<br></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br><br><div>follow me \
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