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Subject: Re: [LAD] [LAU] So what do you think sucks about Linux audio ?
From: "J. Liles" <malnourite () gmail ! com>
Date: 2013-02-06 23:36:30
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On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 3:18 PM, michael noble <looplog@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 11:58 PM, Dave Phillips <dlphillips@woh.rr.com>wrote:
>
>> What I'm more interested in is what *you* think is missing most or just
>> plain wrong about the situation.
>
>
>
> I started using linux for audio primarily for sooperlooper, which at the
> time (over ten years ago i think) was the best if not the only EDP
> emulation for any platform. It worked great then, and it still works great,
> so from that perspective, nothing is wrong with linux audio for me, except
> for the constant hand-wringing and complaining that something is wrong with
> linux audio!
>
> But of course, that is not the whole picture. Every now and then I wish
> there was a native linux audiomulch equivalent, for example, but then I
> usually get to thinking how wrong-headed such desires seem. Windows or OSX
> never really evolved as audio platforms trying to emulate Windows or OSX so
> much, they evolved as platforms for music creation in their own terms.
> That's somewhat naive and an over simplification I realize, because for
> sure different software packages emulated and influenced each other, and
> even MS and Apple have always had their tensions about who truly innovated
> various features (and even linux can stake a claim in that respect).
>
> But my point is that expecting linux to be just like one of those
> platforms seems dunderheaded to me. So one of the things wrong with linux
> audio (for me) is the constant stream of expectations to replicate the
> experience of other platforms. It may happen, but I don't think it is a
> worthy drive for development. Yes, certain features may be worth emulating,
> but often times I get the feeling that people have a working setup on
> another platform, and then complain mostly because they have to give that
> up when they switch platforms. They then get increasingly frustrated as
> they realize things will just not be the same as they were when they had a
> working setup on the other platform. Which often makes me question why some
> people switch at all.
>
> A lot of the points raised in this thread are perfectly valid I'm sure
> from the perspective of the individuals raising them, and that's what this
> thread is about, but I'm going to take a stand against what seems to a
> trend of slagging the "audio geeks". For me that is exactly what makes
> linux unique, interesting, fun, and yes, sometimes frustrating. It is a
> system where the whole system is available to play and learn and grow as
> you grow as a musician or sound designer. Its never-ending openness and
> diversity limits its effectiveness in emulating windows or OSX, but linux
> offers an open palette of learning opportunities. Linux has taught me more
> about system design and the bigger picture of digital audio than Windows
> and OSX ever did. Of course, that's hard to quantify because who knows what
> might have happened if I didn't switch all those years ago (for one thing I
> might have made more music and spent less time learning about systems), but
> linux is what it is and I'd rather spend time taking advantage of what it
> is and then bemoaning what it isn't, as difficult as that can be sometimes.
>
> 2 minor units of currency
> Michael
>
Very well put.
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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 3:18 PM, michael noble <span \
dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:looplog@gmail.com" \
target="_blank">looplog@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote \
class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc \
solid;padding-left:1ex"> <div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div \
class="im"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 11:58 PM, Dave \
Phillips <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dlphillips@woh.rr.com" \
target="_blank">dlphillips@woh.rr.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc \
solid;padding-left:1ex">What I'm more interested in is what *you* think is \
missing most or just plain wrong about the situation.</blockquote>
</div><br><br></div>I started using linux for audio primarily for sooperlooper, which \
at the time (over ten years ago i think) was the best if not the only EDP emulation \
for any platform. It worked great then, and it still works great, so from that \
perspective, nothing is wrong with linux audio for me, except for the constant \
hand-wringing and complaining that something is wrong with linux audio!</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">But of course, that is \
not the whole picture. Every now and then I wish there was a native linux audiomulch \
equivalent, for example, but then I usually get to thinking how wrong-headed such \
desires seem. Windows or OSX never really evolved as audio platforms trying to \
emulate Windows or OSX so much, they evolved as platforms for music creation in their \
own terms. That's somewhat naive and an over simplification I realize, because \
for sure different software packages emulated and influenced each other, and even MS \
and Apple have always had their tensions about who truly innovated various features \
(and even linux can stake a claim in that respect). </div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">But my point is that \
expecting linux to be just like one of those platforms seems dunderheaded to me. So \
one of the things wrong with linux audio (for me) is the constant stream of \
expectations to replicate the experience of other platforms. It may happen, but I \
don't think it is a worthy drive for development. Yes, certain features may be \
worth emulating, but often times I get the feeling that people have a working setup \
on another platform, and then complain mostly because they have to give that up when \
they switch platforms. They then get increasingly frustrated as they realize things \
will just not be the same as they were when they had a working setup on the other \
platform. Which often makes me question why some people switch at all. </div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">A lot of the points \
raised in this thread are perfectly valid I'm sure from the perspective of the \
individuals raising them, and that's what this thread is about, but I'm going \
to take a stand against what seems to a trend of slagging the "audio \
geeks". For me that is exactly what makes linux unique, interesting, fun, and \
yes, sometimes frustrating. It is a system where the whole system is available to \
play and learn and grow as you grow as a musician or sound designer. Its never-ending \
openness and diversity limits its effectiveness in emulating windows or OSX, but \
linux offers an open palette of learning opportunities. Linux has taught me more \
about system design and the bigger picture of digital audio than Windows and OSX ever \
did. Of course, that's hard to quantify because who knows what might have \
happened if I didn't switch all those years ago (for one thing I might have made \
more music and spent less time learning about systems), but linux is what it is and \
I'd rather spend time taking advantage of what it is and then bemoaning what it \
isn't, as difficult as that can be sometimes.</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">2 minor units of \
currency</div><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><div \
class="gmail_extra">Michael</div></font></span></div></blockquote><div><br>Very well \
put.<br> </div></div>
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