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Subject: Re: [LAD] [LAU] So what do you think sucks about Linux audio ?
From: Michael Bechard <gothmagog () yahoo ! com>
Date: 2013-02-06 18:53:29
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Yeah, I posted that before I read the rest of the conversation around that topic. \
Good points.
Michael
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From: Gabbe Nord <gabbe.nord@gmail.com>
To: Michael Bechard <gothmagog@yahoo.com>
Cc: Devin Anderson <surfacepatterns@gmail.com>; Dave Phillips \
<dlphillips@woh.rr.com>; "linux-audio-user@lists.linuxaudio.org" \
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Subject: Re: [LAD] [LAU] So what do you think sucks about Linux audio ?
Like said before, I think alot of user feedback could be gained if just there was a \
simple way to do it, and people got reminded.
On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 7:25 PM, Michael Bechard <gothmagog@yahoo.com> wrote:
I second the frustration on a lack of user feedback...
>
> Michael
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Devin Anderson <surfacepatterns@gmail.com>
> To: Dave Phillips <dlphillips@woh.rr.com>
> Cc: linux-audio-user@lists.linuxaudio.org; linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org
> Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2013 11:09 AM
> Subject: Re: [LAD] [LAU] So what do you think sucks about Linux audio ?
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> Hi Dave,
>
> On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 6:58 AM, Dave Phillips <dlphillips@woh.rr.com> wrote:
>
> > Not enough native plugins, esp. instruments.
>
> I think this is one of the key problems with Linux audio. Part of the
> problem is that there is no clear mechanism for (non-developer) users
> to create their own instruments. Many VSTs are constructed with
> modular DSP programs like synthedit and flowstone (formerly
> synthmaker). There's probably an opportunity here for Ingen or a new
> graphical DSP program based on Faust to fill this hole.
>
> In general, I think that Linux audio has a lot of tools that help
> users to create music, but not a lot of tools that help users create
> their own tools (e.g. instruments, plugins, sample libraries, etc.) to
> help others to create music.
>
> On the development side, I think Aurélien
and others like him have the
> right idea in taking instruments/plugins that are specific to a Linux
> audio application and porting them to LV2. There's a lot of awesome
> instruments that are specific to applications (e.g. ALSA Modular
> Synth, LMMS, etc.) that would generally be more useful if they were
> LV2 plugins.
>
> > Poor external/internal session management.
>
> Interacting with external hardware can be frustrating. Commercial
> programs like Renoise account for external hardware in their workflows
> (e.g. latency management, MIDI clock, MMC, etc.). Most Linux Audio
> apps don't do this.
>
> > Too much conflict/fragmentation within the development community.
>
> I've been trying to write something about conflict and fragmentation
> for the past 10 minutes. I think this is a complex issue. I'm not
> able to find the words to communicate about it right now.
>
> > So, in your honest
and bold opinion as user and/or developer, what do we
> > lack most and what can we do without that we already have ?
>
> As a developer, I'm missing a couple things:
>
> 1.) User feedback.
>
> I can't stress this enough. I watch the download counts increase on
> the applications I create, but I hardly ever get feedback. I'm
> discouraged and frustrated by the lack of feedback.
>
> 2.) Non-code developers
>
> We have a lot of dedicated open source developers writing Linux audio
> apps, plugins, etc., but I have yet to meet an open source UI
> designer, or an open source graphic artist. I think a lot of the apps
> we create could benefit from the feedback of a user interface
> experience expert.
>
> There's probably more, but these are the two things that occur to me now.
>
> Dave, this is an important topic. Thanks for taking it on.
>
> --
> Devin Anderson
> surfacepatterns (at) gmail (dot)
com
>
> blog - http://surfacepatterns.blogspot.com/
> midisnoop - http://midisnoop.googlecode.com/
> psinsights - http://psinsights.googlecode.com/
> synthclone - http://synthclone.googlecode.com/
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roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt">Yeah, I posted that before I read the \
rest of the conversation around that topic. Good \
points.<br><br>Michael<br><div><span><br></span></div><div><br></div> <div \
style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div \
style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div \
dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> <hr size="1"> <b><span \
style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Gabbe Nord \
<gabbe.nord@gmail.com><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> \
Michael Bechard <gothmagog@yahoo.com> <br><b><span style="font-weight: \
bold;">Cc:</span></b> Devin Anderson <surfacepatterns@gmail.com>; Dave Phillips \
<dlphillips@woh.rr.com>; "linux-audio-user@lists.linuxaudio.org" \
<linux-audio-user@lists.linuxaudio.org>; \
"linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org" <linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org> \
<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, February 6, 2013 \
12:27 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [LAD] [LAU] \
So what do you think sucks about Linux audio ?<br> </font> </div> <br> <meta \
http-equiv="x-dns-prefetch-control" content="off"><div id="yiv696121381">Like said \
before, I think alot of user feedback could be gained if just there was a simple way \
to do it, and people got reminded.<br><br><div class="yiv696121381gmail_quote">On \
Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 7:25 PM, Michael Bechard <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" \
ymailto="mailto:gothmagog@yahoo.com" target="_blank" \
href="mailto:gothmagog@yahoo.com">gothmagog@yahoo.com</a>></span> wrote:<br> \
<blockquote class="yiv696121381gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px \
#ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div><div style="font-size:12pt;font-family:times new \
roman, new york, times, serif;">I second the frustration on a lack of user \
feedback...<br> <br>Michael<br><div><span><br></span></div><div><br></div> <div \
style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt;"> <div \
style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt;"> <div \
dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial"> <hr size="1"> <b><span \
style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Devin Anderson <<a rel="nofollow" \
ymailto="mailto:surfacepatterns@gmail.com" target="_blank" \
href="mailto:surfacepatterns@gmail.com">surfacepatterns@gmail.com</a>><br> \
<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">To:</span></b> Dave Phillips <<a rel="nofollow" \
ymailto="mailto:dlphillips@woh.rr.com" target="_blank" \
href="mailto:dlphillips@woh.rr.com">dlphillips@woh.rr.com</a>> <br> <b><span \
style="font-weight:bold;">Cc:</span></b> <a rel="nofollow" \
ymailto="mailto:linux-audio-user@lists.linuxaudio.org" target="_blank" \
href="mailto:linux-audio-user@lists.linuxaudio.org">linux-audio-user@lists.linuxaudio.org</a>; \
<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org" \
target="_blank" href="mailto:linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org">linux-audio-dev@lists.linuxaudio.org</a> \
<br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, February 5, 2013 \
11:09 AM<br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [LAD] [LAU] \
So what do you think sucks about Linux audio ?<br> </font> </div><div><div \
class="yiv696121381h5"> <br> Hi Dave,<br><br>On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 6:58 AM, Dave \
Phillips <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:dlphillips@woh.rr.com" target="_blank" \
href="mailto:dlphillips@woh.rr.com">dlphillips@woh.rr.com</a>> wrote:<br><br>> \
Not enough native plugins, esp. instruments.<br><br> I think this is one of the key \
problems with Linux audio. Part of the<br>problem is that there is no clear \
mechanism for (non-developer) users<br>to create their own instruments. Many \
VSTs are constructed with<br>modular DSP programs like synthedit and flowstone \
(formerly<br> synthmaker). There's probably an opportunity here for Ingen or a \
new<br>graphical DSP program based on Faust to fill this hole.<br><br>In general, I \
think that Linux audio has a lot of tools that help<br>users to create music, but not \
a lot of tools that help users create<br> their own tools (e.g. instruments, plugins, \
sample libraries, etc.) to<br>help others to create music.<br><br>On the development \
side, I think Aurélien and others like him have the<br>right idea in taking \
instruments/plugins that are specific to a Linux<br>audio application and porting \
them to LV2. There's a lot of awesome<br>instruments that are specific to \
applications (e.g. ALSA Modular<br> Synth, LMMS, etc.) that would generally be more \
useful if they were<br>LV2 plugins.<br><br>> Poor external/internal session \
management.<br><br>Interacting with external hardware can be frustrating. \
Commercial<br>programs like Renoise account for external hardware in their \
workflows<br> (e.g. latency management, MIDI clock, MMC, etc.). Most Linux \
Audio<br>apps don't do this.<br><br>> Too much conflict/fragmentation within the \
development community.<br><br>I've been trying to write something about conflict and \
fragmentation<br> for the past 10 minutes. I think this is a complex \
issue. I'm not<br>able to find the words to communicate about it right \
now.<br><br>> So, in your honest and bold opinion as user and/or developer, what \
do we<br>> lack most and what can we do without that we already have ?<br><br>As a \
developer, I'm missing a couple things:<br><br>1.) User feedback.<br><br>I can't \
stress this enough. I watch the download counts increase on<br> the \
applications I create, but I hardly ever get feedback. I'm<br>discouraged and \
frustrated by the lack of feedback.<br><br>2.) Non-code developers<br><br>We have a \
lot of dedicated open source developers writing Linux audio<br> apps, plugins, etc., \
but I have yet to meet an open source UI<br>designer, or an open source graphic \
artist. I think a lot of the apps<br>we create could benefit from the feedback \
of a user interface<br>experience expert.<br> <br>There's probably more, but these \
are the two things that occur to me now.<br><br>Dave, this is an important \
topic. Thanks for taking it on.<br><br>-- <br>Devin Anderson<br>surfacepatterns \
(at) gmail (dot) com<br><br>blog - http://surfacepatterns.blogspot.com/<br>midisnoop \
- http://midisnoop.googlecode.com/<br> psinsights - \
http://psinsights.googlecode.com/<br>synthclone - \
http://synthclone.googlecode.com/<br> \
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