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List:       linux-arm-kernel
Subject:    Mailing List Etiquette
From:       Russell King - ARM Linux <linux () arm ! linux ! org ! uk>
Date:       2005-09-28 6:00:03
Message-ID: E1EKUz5-000491-ST () flint ! arm ! linux ! org ! uk
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   http://www.arm.linux.org.uk/mailinglists/etiquette.php

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   In  order  for  the  linux-arm  lists  to  provide  a high quality and
   effective  forum  for  finding  answers  to  problems,  the  following
   etiquette  is  highly  recommended.  Here  is a list of the ettiquette
   points:
    1. Subscription requirements.
    2. Sending a new message to the list.
    3. Replying to a message from the list.
    4. Sending a message to multiple linux-arm* lists.
    5. HTML encoded messages.
    6. Email attachments.
    7. Commercial email.
    8. Searching the archives.
    9. Support for commercial products.
   10. Cross-posting between linux-arm* lists and other lists.
   11. Automatic replies.
   12. Virus scanners and email sanitisers.

   1. Subscription requirements. [rmk]
          Recently,  we  have  had to impose a restriction on the mailing
          lists.  You  must be subscribed to the mailing list in order to
          post  messages  to that mailing list. This is because of the UK
          Data  Protection  laws.  Only  subscribe  to these lists if you
          accept  the  legal  notice  displayed on the relevant pages; by
          subscribing, you accept the terms laid out in the legal notice.
          Answers will be copied to you.

   2. Sending a new message to the list. [rmk]
          Please  do  not  reply to an existing message as a short-cut to
          post  a  message  to  the lists. Email is not a disjunct set of
          messages,  but  is threaded, and mailing lists use this feature
          to  provide  a  coherent  archive.  Some email clients (notably
          better than Microsoft based clients) also group messages into a
          thread.   When  ever  you  hit  the  "Reply"  button,  it  adds
          information  to  your outgoing email that tells the rest of the
          world that it is a reply to that message.

          Messages  which  violate this etiquette point are automatically
          rejected.

   3. Replying to a message from the list. [erikm, dwmw2]
          When  you do reply to a message someone else has posted, please
          use  the "Group reply" or "Reply to all" button on your mailer.
          Individual developers don't know everything, and by replying to
          them  personally, you effectively cut yourself off from all the
          other  people  who could help you. Please ensure that you reply
          to the list and the sender of the message.

          See  this  popular  news  item for more information (as seen on
          linux-kernel by gregkh.)

          If you are including the original message in your reply, always
          edit  the  message  such that it only quotes the sections which
          are  relevant  to your reply. Don't just quote the whole of the
          message to which you're replying.

          Also,  please  use  a  mail  client  which  correctly  includes
          References: and/or In-Reply-To: headers in email replies. These
          headers are what keeps threads together by indicating precisely
          which  messages  you  are  replying to, and the absence of them
          obfuscates  the  mailing  list  by  making your reply appear to
          start  a  new  thread  of  its  own rather than being correctly
          associated  with  the  message  to which you replied. Some mail
          clients,   in   particular  some  configurations  of  Microsoft
          Outlook,  are not standards-compliant and do not conform to the
          recommendations  of RFC 2822. In the case of Outlook you may be
          able  to  work  around  the  bug  by switching to its 'Internet
          Email' mode.

          If you reply to a message, avoid top-posting like this:

Thank you for your reply. Wouldn't it be a better idea to frobnicate
foo?

Bob

-----Original Message-----
From: Alice [mailto:alice@example.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 8:47 PM
To: Bob
Cc: linux-arm-kernel
Subject: Re: What is foo supposed to do?

It's to make sure bar does not eat the gnats.

          This  is  why top posting is so bad (as seen on linux-kernel by
          gregkh):

A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
A: Top-posting.
Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail?


          All  this  is  pretty straight forward, and can be found in RFC
          1855 - Netiquette Guidelines.

   4. Sending a message to multiple linux-arm* lists. [rmk]
          Don't  do  this.  If  you do attempt this, the list server will
          filter  your  message  out and will with-hold it until the list
          administrator  does  something  with it, which normally ends up
          bouncing  it  back  to  you.  In  addition,  you will receive a
          message about "Cross-posting".

          Choose  one and only one list which is most appropriate for the
          subject  of  your  message. Don't post to all the mailing lists
          you  can  find. rmk himself has a policy where, if he sees this
          happening, he will ignore both your posts.

   5. HTML encoded messages. [rmk, rfs]
          Sorry,  we  don't  accept HTML encoded messages on these lists,
          even  if  they  are multi-part with a text alterative; the list
          server  filters  them  out. Please ensure that your mailer does
          not send HTML encoded mail; Microsoft Outlook and Netscape Mail
          send HTML encoded mail by default.

   6. Email attachments. [rmk]
          Please  ensure  that all attachments are plain text. There is a
          limit of around 40KiB on the overall size of the message, so if
          you  want to send a large attachment, please upload it to a web
          site somewhere, and post with a URL instead. The main ARM Linux
          FTP  site  does  have  an incoming directory where files can be
          uploaded, located at
          ftp://ftp.arm.linux.org.uk/pub/armlinux/incoming/.       Please
          ensure  that  if  you are going to use this directory, that you
          use this one, and not /pub/incoming nor /incoming.

   7. Commercial email (job offers, product advertisments, etc). [rmk]
          The  list server is provided for members of the Linux Community
          free  of  charge,  and  the  generous  space  and bandwidth are
          provided under an agreement with the hosting company.

          As  such,  do  not send any mail which furthers your commercial
          interests   (job  advertisements,  advertisements  for  selling
          hardware  or  services,  etc) to these lists. Such postings are
          off  topic  for  mailing lists devoted to technical development
          issues.

          Providing  links  to  where  patches  for  particular  hardware
          platforms  can be downloaded is acceptable though, although you
          are  encouraged  to  seek  the  necessary  permissions  to post
          announcements  for  such  to  the  linux-arm-announce  list. In
          either  case,  your  mail  may  contain  your  standard company
          signature/disclaimer,  but  must  in no way appear to advertise
          your products or services.

          Failure   to  comply  with  this  requirement  will  result  in
          immediate and permanent expulsion from the mailing lists of the
          email  address  and/or  IP  address,  without  warning. Further
          infringements  of this requirement will result in the offenders
          companies  the  entire IP netblock being prevented from posting
          messages to the list.

          This  is  important  and  must  be  complied  with  without any
          exception what so ever.

          (the  other  solution is that the mailing lists are permanently
          closed down, which none of us want.)

   8. Searching the archives. [rmk]
          Please  search  the  mailing  list  archives  before  posting a
          technical  question  or  a  problem to the mailing lists. It is
          highly  possible  that  your  question  has  already been asked
          before,  or  someone  else  has  encountered your problem and a
          solution has already been aired on the lists.

   9. Support for commercial products. [rmk]
          These  mailing  lists  are  not  a support forum for commercial
          products  such  as  debuggers  and  closed-source binary kernel
          modules.  Do not post queries about these here, but direct your
          questions to the suppliers of these products.

   10. Cross-posting between linux-arm* lists and other lists. [rmk]
          Please  do  not  do this. Subscribers on other lists may not be
          subscribed to the linux-arm lists, so when they try to reply to
          such  a  message, they will receive a bounce. This is deemed by
          others  to  be  rude  behaviour  on  the part of the person who
          originally cross-posted.

   11. Automatic replies. [erikm, rmk, dwmw2]
          We  don't need to know that you're out of office. If you enable
          an  autoresponder,  do it in such a way that it doesn't respond
          to  mailing  list  messages.  Failure  to  do  so  will get you
          unsubscribed from the list.

          Autoresponses should never be seen on the mailing list for many
          reasons.

          Firstly,  an automatic response should only ever be sent to the
          'reverse-path'  of  the  message which triggered the reply; the
          address  to which bounces are expected. It should never be sent
          to  the  address  taken  from  the  From:,  Reply-To:  or other
          headers.  In the case of mailing list traffic, the reverse-path
          is  a  different  address  which  feeds  directly  to  the list
          software; messages sent there will not reach the list.

          Secondly,  an  automatic response should always be sent with an
          empty  reverse-path  of  its  own,  just like a bounce. This is
          essential   to   avoid   the   potential   for  mail  loops  as
          autoresponders  talk to each other. Failure to obey this simple
          rule  is  dangerous  and could be reported as abuse to your ISP
          because  it's a denial of service attack waiting to happen. The
          mailing list submission address is never used in a reverse-path
          of  outgoing  mail,  and  hence  the list submission address is
          configured not to accept bounces.

          Finally,  the autoresponder should never send a report in reply
          to  list  traffic because the list messages themselves indicate
          that they are bulk mail. The autoresponder should check whether
          the  message  contains  a  Precedence: bulk or Precedence: list
          header and refrain from replying if such is found.

          Note  that  the  good  old Berkeley "vacation" program does the
          right  thing  w.r.t.  detecting  mailing  list  messages, while
          certain  other  programs  (most  notably made by a company from
          Redmond, WA) fail to recognise mailing list messages.

          You can get some guidance on setting up MS Outlook correctly.

   12. Virus scanners and email sanitisers. [erikm, dwmw2]
          There  are  a  couple  of  low quality virus scanners and email
          sanitisers  that  trigger on valid messages. In the past, we've
          seen   scanners  wrongly  triggering  on  gzip'ed  patches  and
          sanitisers  wrongly  triggering  on  the  use  of  "xxx" in the
          Adaptec  "aic7xxx" SCSI drivers. Those were of course obviously
          correct  messages and the list owners got flooded by the amount
          of  virus  warnings.  If  you want to use a virus scanner, make
          sure  it  is  a  good one. If you fail to do so, you risk being
          unsubscribed from the mailing list.

          See  also the comment on automatic responses above. In the case
          of  virus  checking,  no message should be sent to the apparent
          sender  of  the virus. It is almost unheard of nowadays for the
          sender  address of a virus to actually bear any relation to the
          real  sender, so by sending a virus 'warning' you are knowingly
          spamming  a  third  party. Again, any instance of this reaching
          the  mailing  list  may be reported as serious network abuse to
          your ISP.

   Any  queries  or  questions  about  the  etiquette  should  be sent to
   linux+etiquette@arm.linux.org.uk.

   People listed above:
     * dwmw2 - David Woodhouse
     * erikm - Erik Mouw
     * rfs - Ralph Siemsen
     * rmk - Russell King


   Last modified: June 8, 2004



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