From linux-arm-kernel  Fri Apr 16 19:18:45 2004
From: Matthias Welwarsky <mwelwarsky () web ! de>
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 19:18:45 +0000
To: linux-arm-kernel
Subject: Re: On TLB flushing
Message-Id: <200404162118.45805.mwelwarsky () web ! de>
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On Friday 16 April 2004 20:57, Russell King - ARM Linux wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 16, 2004 at 08:48:01PM +0200, Matthias Welwarsky wrote:
> > On Friday 16 April 2004 17:18, Marc Singer wrote:
> > > On Fri, Apr 16, 2004 at 04:10:52PM +0100, Russell King - ARM Linux 
wrote:
> > > > Don't confuse the hardware PTE being cleared by act of clearing the
> > > > young bit vs the page being unmapped.  These are two completely
> > > > different operations.
> > >
> > > I don't think I am.  In the set_pte code, if the young bit is clear
> > > then the hardware PTE is cleared.  At any point after this, a read to
> > > that page should generate a fault, but that won't happen unless the
> > > TLB is cleared.
> >
> > Uh, interesting. In the 2.4 kernel, is the hardware PTE also being
> > cleared together with the YOUNG bit? Having a page fault on the next read
> > (and the YOUNG bit being set again) would be a great help in low memory
> > situations, to avoid executable pages from being discarded if they were
> > in use recently.
>
> If you look at it from the short-term point of view then yes, this
> may help.  However, if you really are down to that sort of low memory
> situation, you'll be thrashing pages and probably won't make much
> progress.
>
> If you did flush the PTE when you cleared the young bit, you'd increase
> the number of page faults dramatically in such a situation, maybe to
> the point where you'd get worse performance than freeing up the page
> and re-reading it from flash or disk.
>
> Remember - the young/old bit is a hint, nothing more.

Yes, but if the young bit is not refreshed, mapped pages that are not involved 
in file IO are inevitably discarded. If they're read-only, they will never 
again become "young" unless they're paged back in from disk.

Reading a page back in from flash is no big deal, reading from disk is dead 
slow, and if the disk is powered down to extend battery life ... 2.5 seconds 
spin-up time.

regards,
	matthias

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