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Contents:
GiNaC 1.0 released ("GiNaC PR dept.")
RadioActive 1.3.0 (ERDI Gergo)
etach 1.2.2 (MIME email attach/detach/forward in Emacs) (John M Rulnick)
RE COMMERCIAL: Linux open system $379 (sales)
[LOCAL] NYLUG.org 11/12, Nov meeting, Monday @ 6:30pm -- Eric S. (jim@valinux.com)
OpenRADIUS v0.8 (Emile van Bergen)
Guikachu 0.98.1: GNOME Resource editor for PalmOS projects (ERDI Gergo)
Linux Con in Belgium (C!PHER9)
sn 0.3.4 - Hassle-free Usenet news system for small sites. (Patrik =?ISO-8859-1?Q?R=E5dman?=)
NYC LOCAL: Monday 12 November 2001 NYLUG Meeting: Eric S. Raymond (Jay Sulzberger)
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From: "GiNaC PR dept." <news@ginac.de>
Subject: GiNaC 1.0 released
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 19:29:56 CST
Reply-To: news@ginac.de
MAINZ, Germany, November 6, 2001
(for immediate release)
The GiNaC hackers, the leading providers of advanced mathematical
software solutions for research and industrial applications, loudly
announce the availability of GiNaC version 1.0.
GiNaC stands for "GiNaC is not a CAS", i.e. not a Computer Algebra
System. This is reminiscent to the term GNU, which stands for "GNU is
not Unix", yet GNU systems widely define Unix today. It is a C++
class-library that allows certain common symbolic manipulations to be
expressed directly in that language.
"This release is going to change a whole lot of things" says Richard
Kreckel, vice president of GiNaC's PR department. "Competing
closed-source systems like Mathematica and Maple must be considered
obsolete now and will surely soon fall into oblivion -- Macsyma
already has." Asked whether GiNaC can really compete with all the
fancy features and gimmicks found in those systems he replied: "Hey,
there is always room for version 2.0 and the next generation!"
Alexander Frink, vice president of GiNaC's sales department, could not
be reached for a statement. He was reckoned to be busy encashing
donations from millions of joyous users overwhelmed with enthusiasm.
GiNaC is free software and licensed under the GNU general public
license (GPL).
"Having a truly scalable symbolic system is going to solve many of
todays problems" says Christian Bauer, vice president of the research
and development department. "Applications range from pure maths and
physics over geological surveys, long-term stock options and wheather
forecasts to such fields as wine-making and Japanese cuisine." The
newly released version 1.0 contains "absolutely no significant changes
relative to the last version whatsoever" according to Bauer. Asked
how he sees further development he crypticly proclaimed "We are simply
going to do what we did with the Macintosh: We emulate all other
systems, including their bugs."
Instructions how to download and install GiNaC on a computer system
can be found at <http://www.ginac.de/Download.html>. Also, it comes
pre-bundled with several distributions of the popular Linux operating
system as well as with FreeBSD. Because of this dominant position on
the consumers' computer desktops the US department of justice (DOJ) is
considering filing an antitrust law-suit. "Okay, Microsoft got away
with this practice, but we are not going to tolerate imitators", said
DOJ attorney general John Ashcroft at a meeting with press.
Germany's foreign minister Joschka Fischer delayed his trip to meet
Palestinian president Jassir Arafat to stop in Mainz and congratulate
the GiNaC folks for their release on behalf of Germany's chancellor
Gerhard Schroeder. IT-industry friendly Mr. Schroeder was said to be
busy "getting the beast installed" on his PC. "This new release is
going to have a tremendous impact on global stability" Mr. Fischer
said. "We have observed how politicians and suspected terrorists
alike have become addicted to GiNaC and been converted to coding
machines -- in a noble sense. Wherever they find a PC they start
emitting mesmeric steams and then the miracle of code generation
happens."
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From: ERDI Gergo <cactus@cactus.rulez.org>
Subject: RadioActive 1.3.0
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 19:29:57 CST
RadioActive is a front-end for video4linux-compatible radio devices. It
has three user interfaces: a text-based one, a GNOME one, and a GNOME
Panel one (text/GNOME is determined automatically at run-time). It's also
part of the GNOME Fifth Toe bundle.
A release with more translations and GCC 3.0 support is available at
http://cactus.rulez.org/projects/radioactive/
--
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\ http://cactus.rulez.org \ they want' -- RMS, at GUADEC 2001
`---= cactus@cactus.rulez.org =---'
Me and you and a Borg named Hugh...
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From: John M Rulnick <etach@rulnick.com>
Subject: etach 1.2.2 (MIME email attach/detach/forward in Emacs)
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 19:29:56 CST
Reply-To: John M Rulnick <etach@rulnick.com>
Etach is free software for handling email attachments and detachments
in Emacs. Version 1.2.2, compatible with Emacs versions up to and
including the new Emacs 21.1, is now available from:
http://rulnick.com/etach/
LSM entry (with updated sites) follows.
Title: etach
Version: 1.2.2
Entered-date: 2001-11-07
Description: Etach is an Emacs add-on that allows easy management
of MIME email attachments in RMAIL and Mail modes.
Attachments and detachments are as simple as entering
the Emacs commands M-x attach and M-x detach,
respectively. Also provided is the ability to forward
mail via message/rfc822 format (M-x mime-forward),
useful when forwarding messages that contain MIME
attachments. Installation requires adding just a
single line to the system or user startup file.
Keywords: attach, attachment, detach, Emacs, email, Mail, MIME,
RMAIL
Author: etach@rulnick.com (John M Rulnick)
Maintained-by: etach@rulnick.com (John M Rulnick)
Primary-site: http://rulnick.com/etach/download/
Alternate-site:
Original-site: http://rulnick.com/etach/
Platforms:
Copying-policy: GPL
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Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 19:30:14 CST
From: sales <sales@storeanywhere.com>
Subject: RE COMMERCIAL: Linux open system $379
StoreAnyWhere.com Inc. has a new promotional system. The details see below.
AMD 800Mhz Duron Linux system
ECS Elitegroup or equivalent mainboard
256mb PC-133 SDROM
8mb Linux compatible video card
10/100 ethernet card
1.44 mb generic floppy
52X generic CD-Rom
ATX mid tower case
20G hard disk
Keyboard and Mouse
Pre-installed with Linux,FreeBSD & others
for a total price of $379.
When you are ready to purchase you can directly place your
order on line: http://www.storeanywhere.com or call us on
(718)934-7313. Any queries, send us an e-mail at:
sales@storeanywhere.com.
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Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 19:30:22 CST
From: jim@valinux.com
Subject: [LOCAL] NYLUG.org 11/12, Nov meeting, Monday @ 6:30pm -- Eric S.
*** New York Linux Users Group November 12, 2001 Meeting ***
- NYLUG.org -
Eric S. Raymond
on
Decentralism Against Terrorism
11/12/2001
** Monday ** (note *Monday*, not Wednesday)
6:30pm-8:00pm
IBM Headquarters Building
590 Madison Avenue at 57th Street
** RSVP Instructions**
You must rsvp to attend the meeting.
mailto: jgleason@nylug.org Subject: RSVP - NYLUG - NOV - your name
If you have rsvp'ed previously, you do not need to again.
Check in with photo ID at the lobby for badge and room number. I suggest
getting there early. This will be a _packed_ event.
=======================================================================
Many of us in the New York area remember Eric S. Raymond speaking at
the Twin Towers in November 1999. If you were there that night, you
probably remember three things: a packed auditorium, an engaging talk,
and an incredible view. The day the Towers were destroyed, ESR wrote a
short essay, Decentralism Against Terrorism.
Please join us, on Monday, November 12, when ESR will be presenting a
talk based on this essay, which touches on Eric's views on terrorism,
government, and the bearing of arms, followed by a period of questions
from the audience.
It will be a packed, engaging, and exciting evening for all of us.
Arrive early, and be sure to RSVP (Subject: RSVP - NYLUG - NOV -
your-first-and-last-name).
"Linux is subversive. Who would have thought even five years ago (1991)
that a world-class operating system could coalesce as if by magic out of
part-time hacking by several thousand developers scattered all over the
planet, connected only by the tenuous strands of the Internet?"
- Eric S. Raymond
http://tuxedo.org/~esr
http://tuxedo.org/~esr/writings/against-terrorism.html
http://luny.org/Meetings/history.html#991109
Eric has a thought or two about the Second Amendment and guns.
* Ethics from the Barrel of a Gun: What Bearing Weapons Teaches
About the Good Life: http://tuxedo.org/~esr/guns/gun-ethics.html
* Guns and Me: http://tuxedo.org/~esr/guns/personal.html
* Geeks With Guns: http://tuxedo.org/~esr/geeks-with-guns/
* Eric's Gun Nut Page: http://tuxedo.org/~esr/guns/
When ESR isn't talking to LUGs and other groups, he finds time to:
* Write for Linux Journal's November 2001 issue: The Ultimate Linux
Box 2001 (the full article which was not printed in entirety)
* Write essays on many subjects
* Hack fetchmail
* Update the Jargon File (The New Hacker's Dictionary)
* Burn GIF files by converting them to PNG files with gif2png.
* Plots and schemes for The Eric Conspiracy Secret Labs
* Co-curate the Retrocomputing Museum
http://tuxedo.org/~esr/writings/ultimate-linux-box/
http://tuxedo.org/~esr/guns/personal.html
http://tuxedo.org/~esr/fetchmail/
http://www.tuxedo.org/jargon/
http://tuxedo.org/~esr/gif2png/
http://tuxedo.org/~esr/ecsl/
http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/retro/
Eric S. Raymond is the author of The Cathedral & The Bazaar, which has
been called "The most important book about technology today,..."
http://tuxedo.org/~esr/writings/cathedral-bazaar/
__________
Free Stuff!
Swag of undetermined value and quantity will be distributed on a
first-come, first-served basis. Arrive early for the best pickins!
__________
KEYSIGNING
Immediately after Eric's talk and continuing at the Old Stand pub, we
will be gathering for a keysigning. So for those who have keys already,
please remember to bring hard-copy printouts of your 40-character key
fingerprint. If you haven't created a key yet, our howto will soon be
posted here: http://www.nylug.org/keys
Note: This page will soon have more content, so watch for announcements
from Ari Jort, Vice President, NYLUG.org.
__________
Stammtisch:
And then after the meeting... Join us around 8:15pm or so at the
Old Stand, 914 3rd Ave. on the corner of 55th Street.
NOTE- This is a new location! NYLUG no longer attends Stammtisch at
Typhoon.
__________
NEXT MONTH:
Wednesday, 12/19/01: The Annual NYLUG Holiday Party!
Sponsored this year and with a presentation by AMD, http://www.amd.com
Please see our home page at http://www.nylug.org for the HTMLized
version of this announcement, our archives, and a lot of other
good stuff.
Monthly Reminder!
Please read the NYLUG-Talk Posting Guidelines at:
http://www.nylug.org/mlistguide/
November 2001 - The New York Linux Users Group, NYLUG.org
===============================================================
Jim Gleason VA Linux Systems
email: jim@valinux.com http://www.valinux.com
phone: 212-858-7684 President, New York Linux Users Group
fax: 212-858-7685 http://www.nylug.org
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From: Emile van Bergen <e-advies@evbergen.xs4all.nl>
Subject: OpenRADIUS v0.8
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 19:30:35 CST
I'm pleased to announce the release of OpenRADIUS v0.8, a versatile,
flexible and powerful RADIUS server. This is the first public release.
Highlights:
* Allows you to use external data sources for anything:
- shared secrets
- accounts and passwords
- profiles
- session database
- proxing table (proxing is not available yet)
- NAS / dialed nr. ACLs
- accounting storage
- and much more
* Design is based on a versatile and powerful external module interface:
- uses pre-spawned subprocesses and pipes for communication, so you
can implement modules in any language that supports Unix pipe I/O;
- both ASCII and binary interfaces available, protocol is fully
documented;
- much more efficient than spawn-upon-request type interfaces.
* Behaviour is fully configurable using built-in business rule language:
- has full control over the request- and reply list;
- strong-typed but has both automatic and explicit type conversion;
- rich set of overloaded operators (eg. / on integer is division, / on
IP address is CIDR masking).
* Contains a flexible dictionary that supports:
- addressing the fixed protocol fields as normal attributes
- receiving AND sending all types of oddball vendor-specific attribute
definitions, multiple VSAs inside one encapsulating attribute, 2-
and 4-octet attribute nrs., etc.
* The server itself and a number of standard external modules are made
available under the GNU General Public License.
See: http://www.xs4all.nl/~evbergen/openradius/index.html for more
information.
--
E-Advies / Emile van Bergen | e-advies@evbergen.xs4all.nl
tel. +31 (0)70 3906153 | fax. +31 (0)70 3906158
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From: ERDI Gergo <cactus@cactus.rulez.org>
Subject: Guikachu 0.98.1: GNOME Resource editor for PalmOS projects
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 19:30:47 CST
Dear users of both large and small computing tools,
A new release of Guikachu is available.
About Guikachu
==============
Guikachu is a GNOME application for graphical editing of resource
files for PalmOS-based pocket computers. The user interface is
modelled after Glade, the GNOME UI builder.
Catch it all from http://cactus.rulez.org/projects/guikachu/
Features
========
* libXML-based I/O
* Exporting to PilRC .rcp files (compile with pilrc -H)
* String resources
* Dialog resources
* Menu resources
* Form resources
* Per-application resources (e.g. version number, icon)
* Form editor, with 100% accurate preview and graphical drag & drop
capability to make designing forms more easier and faster
* Native font support in the form editor for more precise
preview
* XSLT style sheets and shell script to generate RCP files from
Guikachu documents
About this release
==================
A new 0.98 release, containing bug-fixes and documentation updates.
Changes:
* Support for GCC 3.0 (this mostly means correct usage of the
::std namespace)
* Bugfixes (as always). This includes a pretty severe bug that
could cause Guikachu to crash when loading a file or
starting from scratch.
* Documentation updates (the build system is not put in place
yet)
So, what does the future hold? The 0.98.x line will be for bugfixes,
and 0.99.0 will be the release candidate for 1.0. Of course, this all
means that everything is pretty much going to stay the same, so now is
a good time to work on the translations and the documentation.
http://www.geocrawler.com/archives/3/14820/2001/10/0/6922132/ has the
details.
Guikachu uses GTK-- and GNOME-- for its user interface. File I/O is
implemented with the libxml package. Dialog windows are loaded via
libglade. You will need the versions of these packages available in
the GNOME 1.4 bundle (with the exception of GNOME-- which you will
need to upgrade to version 1.2.0)
To actually create the PalmOS resource files, you will also need PilRC
(part of the GNU PalmOS SDK) to compile the .rpc files produced by
Guikachu.
Beware of bugémons!
Cactus
--
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\ http://cactus.rulez.org \ they want' -- RMS, at GUADEC 2001
`-----= cactus@cactus.rulez.org =--'
A pénz minden gonoszság gyökere és az embernek szüksége van gyökerekre
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From: cipher_nine@yahoo.com (C!PHER9)
Subject: Linux Con in Belgium
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 19:30:47 CST
Hi there,
I'm looking for all sorts of people to try and put a team
together to organize a Linux - Open Source - Tech - ... Conference
in Belgium.
If you r interested in organizing such event,
mail me @ Cipher_nine@yahoo.com
Greetz,
Wim
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From: Patrik =?ISO-8859-1?Q?R=E5dman?= <pradman@EGG.BACON.AND.SPAM.abo.fi>
Subject: sn 0.3.4 - Hassle-free Usenet news system for small sites.
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 19:30:50 CST
sn 0.3.4 is now available at <http://www.iki.fi/patrik/sn/>.
This release fixes bugs and improves portability.
What it is
==========
sn is a small news system for small sites serving perhaps a few
dozen newsgroups, and with a slow connection to the internet.
It is similar to Leafnode (<http://www.leafnode.org/>).
The target user is a home or SOHO with a single modem connection
to the Internet, maybe running IP masq or similar, and serving a
few workstations.
sn is different
===============
sn is fast. The news fetcher implements command pipelining and
parallel fetches, so high modem latency doesn't cost you.
(You can also throttle sn down, if it's too fast).
sn is flexible. You can subscribe to newsgroups on several
upstream sites, and you can create local newsgroups that are not
propagated upstream. sn can make mailing lists look like newsgroups
transparently.
sn is non-intrusive. It has no configuration files, only control
files with simple semantics, so it's suited to being run in an
automated fashion.
sn is small. It batches 10 (default) articles per file, so
conserving inodes and reducing disk block fragments. sn can also
compress the article bodies. It aliases cross posts rather
than making separate copies. It does not maintain a bulky overview
database; instead it gets overview information directly from the
articles. Spool metadata is 5% to 10% of the total spool size,
even with compression. You don't need to build a separate file
system just to spool news.
sn doesn't have to be set up for the system. You can use it
privately, and your users can maintain their own news spool without
building sn.
sn has limitations
==================
Because the news spool is in an unconventional format, news readers
can read news locally only via NNTP.
IHAVE is not supported. Use POST instead.
sn has no idea of distributions.
sn can't handle thousands of newsgroups. A hundred is comfortable.
The method sn uses to alias cross posts is similar to filesystem
symlinks rather than hard links, in that if the original article is
expired, the alias breaks.
sn doesn't know how to filter spam.
Newsgroup names are subject to the same length limitations as any
filename.
Requirements
============
sn is beta. It should work on most UNIXish systems, as long as the GNU
tools are installed. (Tested on Linux (main development platform),
Solaris and FreeBSD.) If it runs on your machine, let me know. Or if it
doesn't run.
You need libz if you decide to compile in the compression feature.
It looks like most Linux distributions include libz.so, but not
always zlib.h or zconf.h. If yours doesn't have these 2 include
files and you want compression you'll need to get them.
You'll need inetd or tcpserver (<http://freshmeat.net/projects/ucspi-tcp/>)
to run the daemon. If you use inetd you will probably also want tcpd
(tcp wrappers).
License
=======
Distribution of sn is covered by the GNU GPL. See file COPYING.
Use of sn is not restricted. No express or implied warranty of
fitness for any purpose (but I'm still interested in bug reports
and comments).
History
=======
sn was created by Harold Tay <harold-sn at nb dot com sot sg> and maintained by him
until version 0.3.2. From 0.3.3 onwards, sn is maintained by
Patrik Rĺdman <patrik at iki dot fi>. For details see the CHANGES file.
--
Patrik Rĺdman ˇ patrik at iki dot fi ˇ http://www.iki.fi/patrik/
"We're not in the past or the present anymore. This is the future!"
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From: Jay Sulzberger <jays@panix.com>
Subject: NYC LOCAL: Monday 12 November 2001 NYLUG Meeting: Eric S. Raymond
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 19:30:55 CST
This meeting is on Monday, not Wednesday. Monday is 12 November 2001.
You must register in advance to attend, or have registered for an
earlier NYLUG meeting in the IBM building. Particulars below in
official announcement.
Eating and drinking after the formal meeting is now at The Old Stand
at 914 Third Avenue, near 55th Street, on the Island of the Manahattoes.
There will be a key signing after Eric's talk. Likely most signings
will take place at the Old Stand.
http://www.gnupg.org
Official NYLUG announcement below.
Jay Sulzberger <secretary@lxny.org>
Corresponding Secretary LXNY
LXNY is New York's Free Computing Organization.
http://www.lxny.org
<blockquote
from="offical NYLUG announcement"
edit-level="light">
*** New York Linux Users Group November 2001 Meeting ***
- NYLUG.org -
Eric S. Raymond
on
Decentralism Against Terrorism
11/12/2001
** Monday ** (note *Monday*, not Wednesday)
6:30pm-8:00pm
IBM Headquarters Building
590 Madison Avenue at 57th Street
** RSVP Instructions**
You must rsvp to attend the meeting.
mailto: jgleason@nylug.org Subject: RSVP - NYLUG - NOV - your name
If you have rsvp'ed previously, you do not need to again.
Check in with photo ID at the lobby for badge and room number. I suggest
getting there early. This will be a _packed_ event.
=======================================================================
Many of us in the New York area remember Eric S. Raymond speaking at
the Twin Towers in November 1999. If you were there that night, you
probably remember three things: a packed auditorium, an engaging talk,
and an incredible view. The day the Towers were destroyed, ESR wrote
a short essay, Decentralism Against Terrorism.
Please join us, on Monday, November 12, when ESR will be presenting a
talk based on this essay, which touches on Eric's views on terrorism,
government, and the bearing of arms, followed by a period of questions
from the audience.
It will be a packed, engaging, and exciting evening for all of us.
Arrive early, and be sure to RSVP (Subject: RSVP - NYLUG - NOV -
your-first-and-last-name).
"Linux is subversive. Who would have thought even five years ago
(1991) that a world-class operating system could coalesce as if by
magic out of part-time hacking by several thousand developers
scattered all over the planet, connected only by the tenuous strands
of the Internet?" - Eric S. Raymond
http://tuxedo.org/~esr
http://tuxedo.org/~esr/writings/against-terrorism.html
http://luny.org/Meetings/history.html#991109
Eric has a thought or two about the Second Amendment and guns.
* Ethics from the Barrel of a Gun: What Bearing Weapons Teaches
About the Good Life: http://tuxedo.org/~esr/guns/gun-ethics.html
* Guns and Me: http://tuxedo.org/~esr/guns/personal.html
* Geeks With Guns: http://tuxedo.org/~esr/geeks-with-guns/
* Eric's Gun Nut Page: http://tuxedo.org/~esr/guns/
When ESR isn't talking to LUGs and other groups, he finds time to:
* Write for Linux Journal's November 2001 issue: The Ultimate Linux
Box 2001 (the full article which was not printed in entirety)
* Write essays on many subjects
* Hack fetchmail
* Update the Jargon File (The New Hacker's Dictionary)
* Burn GIF files by converting them to PNG files with gif2png.
* Plots and schemes for The Eric Conspiracy Secret Labs
* Co-curate the Retrocomputing Museum
http://tuxedo.org/~esr/writings/ultimate-linux-box/
http://tuxedo.org/~esr/guns/personal.html
http://tuxedo.org/~esr/fetchmail/
http://www.tuxedo.org/jargon/
http://tuxedo.org/~esr/gif2png/
http://tuxedo.org/~esr/ecsl/
http://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/retro/
Eric S. Raymond is the author of The Cathedral & The Bazaar, which has
been called "The most important book about technology today,..."
http://tuxedo.org/~esr/writings/cathedral-bazaar/
__________
Free Stuff!
Swag of undetermined value and quantity will be distributed on a
first-come, first-served basis. Arrive early for the best pickins!
__________
KEYSIGNING
Immediately after Eric's talk and continuing at the Old Stand pub, we
will be gathering for a keysigning. So for those who have keys already,
please remember to bring hard-copy printouts of your 40-character key
fingerprint. If you haven't created a key yet, our howto will soon be
posted here: http://www.nylug.org/keys
Note: This page will soon have more content, so watch for announcements
from Ari Jort, Vice President, NYLUG.org.
__________
Stammtisch:
And then after the meeting... Join us around 8:15pm or so at the
Old Stand, 914 3rd Ave. on the corner of 55th Street.
NOTE- This is a new location! NYLUG no longer attends Stammtisch at
Typhoon.
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NEXT MONTH:
Wednesday, 12/19/01: The Annual NYLUG Holiday Party!
Sponsored this year and with a presentation by AMD, http://www.amd.com
Please see our home page at http://www.nylug.org for the HTMLized
version of this announcement, our archives, and a lot of other
good stuff.
Monthly Reminder!
Please read the NYLUG-Talk Posting Guidelines at:
http://www.nylug.org/mlistguide/
November 2001 - The New York Linux Users Group, NYLUG.org
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Jim Gleason VA Linux Systems
email: jim@valinux.com http://www.valinux.com
phone: 212-858-7684 President, New York Linux Users Group
fax: 212-858-7685 http://www.nylug.org
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