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Subject: Re: FW: Rules of Thumb
From: Agblad Tore <Tore.Agblad () volvo ! com>
Date: 2009-06-23 7:11:00
Message-ID: 9FE1961BD4AE2A408B37C6E81606CC5E136A077384 () SEGOTC5130-CCR ! vcn ! ds ! volvo ! net
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Yes you are right, it's all about negotiating with the vendor.
And as you say also , the size can make a big difference.
Cordialement / Vriendelijke Groeten / Best Regards / Med Vänliga Hälsningar
Tore Agblad
Volvo Information Technology
Infrastructure Mainframe Design & Development
SE-405 08, Gothenburg Sweden
E-mail: Tore.Agblad@volvo.com
http://www.volvo.com/volvoit/global/en-gb/
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From: Linux on 390 Port [LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU] On Behalf Of William D Carroll \
[william.d.carroll@jpmchase.com]
Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 16:33
To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU
Subject: Re: FW: Rules of Thumb
Again
ELA, that's licensing per core depending on your ELA can change.
again, depending on company and size. WAS for us was a moot point
as was Oracle, DB2 etc.. no software advantage
just stating it's not a blanket thing
William 'Doug' Carroll
Mainframe Systems Eng Sr I
Global Technology Infrastructure
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From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU] On Behalf Of Agblad Tore
Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 10:21 AM
To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU
Subject: Re: FW: Rules of Thumb
Thank's, Yes they know, and are involved.
The win is due to pricing often is per CPU/Core.
Both SLES and WAS are licensed per CPU/core.
We need one license per IFL
and they also need one license per cpu/core in blades.
There are at least two cpus in each nowadays, so 200 servers usually means
about 400 licenses compared to one or two for one or two IFLs:s.
The pricetag differs yes, but far from that much.
___________________________________________
Tore Agblad
Volvo Information Technology
Infrastructure Mainframe Design & Development, Linux servers
Dept 4352 DA1S
SE-405 08, Gothenburg Sweden
Telephone: +46-31-3233569
E-mail: Tore.Agblad@volvo.com
http://www.volvo.com/volvoit/global/en-gb/
-----Original Message-----
From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU] On Behalf Of William D \
Carroll
Sent: den 22 juni 2009 15:42
To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU
Subject: Re: FW: Rules of Thumb
FYI
Your company ELAs may have a impact on this so be aware.
Be sure you get you Licensing folks involved as they know the ELA's
better than anyone. In our case Software cost became a moot point due to ELA's and
it became a HW battle.
The size of your company and how it's ELA's are structured could
impact this tremendously.
William 'Doug' Carroll
Mainframe Systems Eng Sr I
Global Technology Infrastructure
ECS Core Services z/Software Group / Emerging Technologies
-----Original Message-----
From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU] On Behalf Of Agblad Tore
Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 4:29 AM
To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU
Subject: Re: FW: Rules of Thumb
You can not just take the isolated cpu-hw-cost and compare.
Also include in HWcost all maint with HW, like connecting-power-cables-boxes and so \
on. With many blades you have to keep all these switches and cables in order. Just \
the simple case install a new server includes bying the HW, carry it into the server \
hall (you will need authorithy which often means you have to wait for the guy with \
the 'key') connect them (is there enough power in you diesel-backup?) add cables to \
a switch (which switch and who documents this) and the installing. There is some \
manhour here. By now you probably also have a different box, not the same as the \
existing ones, and you can not guarante exact same hw, maybe different drivers for \
new bios/network/disks/SCSI adapters...... Some customers requires exactly same setup \
for test-QA-prod, that may now be hard to get. Include all that and:
When you have 200 Linux servers, do the calculation, and you will se that the z \
alternative will have about the same hw-cost as x86 blades.
If you also include the license costs, the z maybe comes out as the most \
cost-effective one.
Cordialement / Vriendelijke Groeten / Best Regards / Med Vänliga Hälsningar
Tore Agblad
Volvo Information Technology
Infrastructure Mainframe Design & Development
SE-405 08, Gothenburg Sweden
E-mail: Tore.Agblad@volvo.com
http://www.volvo.com/volvoit/global/en-gb/
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From: Linux on 390 Port [LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU] On Behalf Of Ivan Warren \
[ivan@vmfacility.fr]
Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 01:39
To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU
Subject: Re: FW: Rules of Thumb
> In my Linux Installation Planning talks, I address this briefly. Until such time \
> as IFL processors cost the same as Intel processors, i.e. never, there will always \
> be some point along the spectrum of workload profiles where it makes more sense to \
> run a given application on midrange hardware and not the mainframe. With the \
> introduction of the z10, that point has moved considerably, in favor of the \
> mainframe. There is still going to be a substantial grey area before that point, \
> which is why each case needs to be examined individually to make the correct \
> decision.
>
Amen !
--Ivan
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