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List:       lilypond-user
Subject:    Re: Cue clefs
From:       Xavier Scheuer <x.scheuer () gmail ! com>
Date:       2024-02-26 21:53:28
Message-ID: CADGqHReLK+S_pF=yUD8z-wAcEoHC+hp1R+q71Ji9KoSfszu99g () mail ! gmail ! com
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On Mon, 26 Feb 2024 at 22:13, Gerardo Ballabio <gerardo.ballabio@gmail.com>
wrote:
>
> Thanks. It says this -- but it works:
>
> programming error: No spacing entry from BarLine to `cue-clef'
> continuing, cross fingers

Ah yes, I hadn't paid attention to that. In that case, let's add a spacing
entry between BarLine and cue-clef (I used the same spacing as for clef).

\override Staff.BarLine.space-alist = #'((ambitus extra-space . 1.0)
  (time-signature extra-space . 0.75)
  (custos minimum-space . 2.0)
  (clef extra-space . 1.0)
  (cue-clef extra-space . 1.0)
  (key-signature extra-space . 1.0)
  (key-cancellation extra-space . 1.0)
  (first-note semi-shrink-space . 1.3)
  (next-note semi-fixed-space . 0.9)
  (right-edge extra-space . 0.0))

https://lilypond.org/doc/v2.25/Documentation/internals/barline

> Just in case I need this for something else, where was the cue-clef
> before you moved it?

See the standard settings in the Internals Reference:
https://lilypond.org/doc/v2.25/Documentation/internals/breakalignment

> Yes. See attached.

Does it come from a handwritten score or from a well-known publishing
house? Unless you really want to reproduce the score as is, I'd suggest
adding the cue end clef. Gould (probably the most comprehensive
contemporary reference on musical notation) mentions on page 573 of Behind
Bars: "Reinstate the player's clef before an entry" (and all her examples
do it, without exception).

By the way, she also mentions "When a cue clef begins immediately after the
barline, place the cue clef before the barline" (which is
LilyPond's default).

Kind regards,
Xavier

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<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">On Mon, 26 Feb 2024 at 22:13, Gerardo Ballabio &lt;<a \
href="mailto:gerardo.ballabio@gmail.com" \
target="_blank">gerardo.ballabio@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:</div><div \
dir="ltr">&gt;<br>&gt; Thanks. It says this -- but it works:<br>&gt;<br>&gt; \
programming error: No spacing entry from BarLine to `cue-clef&#39;<br>&gt; \
continuing, cross fingers</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Ah yes, I \
hadn&#39;t paid attention to that. In that case, let&#39;s add a spacing entry \
between BarLine and cue-clef (I used the same spacing as for clef).<br></div><div \
dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">\override Staff.BarLine.space-alist = \
#&#39;((ambitus extra-space . 1.0)<br>   (time-signature extra-space . 0.75)<br>   \
(custos minimum-space . 2.0)<br>   (clef extra-space . 1.0)<br>   (cue-clef \
extra-space . 1.0)<br>   (key-signature extra-space . 1.0)<br>   (key-cancellation \
extra-space . 1.0)<br>   (first-note semi-shrink-space . 1.3)<br>   (next-note \
semi-fixed-space . 0.9)<br>   (right-edge extra-space . 0.0))<br></div><div \
dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><a \
href="https://lilypond.org/doc/v2.25/Documentation/internals/barline">https://lilypond.org/doc/v2.25/Documentation/internals/barline</a><br></div><div \
dir="ltr"><br>&gt; Just in case I need this for something else, where was the \
cue-clef<br>&gt; before you moved it?</div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div>See the \
standard settings in the Internals Reference:</div><div><a \
href="https://lilypond.org/doc/v2.25/Documentation/internals/breakalignment">https://lilypond.org/doc/v2.25/Documentation/internals/breakalignment</a><br></div><div \
dir="ltr"><br>&gt; Yes. See attached.<br><br></div><div>Does it come from a \
handwritten score or from a well-known publishing house? Unless you really want to \
reproduce the score as is, I&#39;d suggest adding the cue end clef. Gould (probably \
the most comprehensive contemporary reference on musical notation) mentions on page \
573 of Behind Bars: &quot;Reinstate the player&#39;s clef before an entry&quot; (and \
all her examples do it, without exception).<br></div><div><br></div><div>By the way, \
she also mentions &quot;When a cue clef begins immediately after the barline, place \
the cue clef before the barline&quot; (which is LilyPond&#39;s  \
default).</div><div><br></div><div>Kind \
regards,</div><div>Xavier</div><div><br></div> </div>



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