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Subject: RE: Help with ties and accidentals
From: "Mark Stephen Mrotek" <carsonmark () ca ! rr ! com>
Date: 2022-03-27 2:05:26
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Keith,
Been there, done that.
You are welcome.
Continue to play with Lilypond. It shall reward your efforts.
Mark
From: KEITH LYNN [mailto:klynn47@comcast.net]
Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2022 7:00 PM
To: Mark Stephen Mrotek <carsonmark@ca.rr.com>; Lilypond-User Mailing List \
<lilypond-user@gnu.org>
Subject: RE: Help with ties and accidentals
Thanks for your help Mark. I think my fundamental problem was I forgot the rule that \
an accidental on a note stays in effect for the whole measure. I really appreciate \
your help.
On 03/26/2022 9:46 PM Mark Stephen Mrotek <carsonmark@ca.rr.com \
<mailto:carsonmark@ca.rr.com> > wrote:
Keith,
See the attached.
Mark
From: KEITH LYNN [mailto:klynn47@comcast.net]
Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2022 6:28 PM
To: Mark Stephen Mrotek <carsonmark@ca.rr.com <mailto:carsonmark@ca.rr.com> >; \
Lilypond-User Mailing List <lilypond-user@gnu.org \
<mailto:lilypond-user@gnu.org> >
Subject: RE: Help with ties and accidentals
Sorry for the mistake on the links
Original - Music <http://69.246.129.36/002.jpg>
Lilypond Input - Input <http://69.246.129.36/input1.jpg>
Ouput - Output <http://69.246.129.36/input2.jpg>
On 03/26/2022 9:12 PM KEITH LYNN <klynn47@comcast.net <mailto:klynn47@comcast.net> > \
wrote:
Mark,
I'm trying to reproduce the following sheet music
Original <http://69.246.129.36/002.jpg>
I'm using this code to try to produce it
Lilypond file <http://69.246.129.36/002.jpg>
And it's producing this result
Output <http://69.246.129.36/002.jpg>
I can't see how to make the accidentals disappear and also to produce the two \
lines connecting the right edge of the beam to the next two notes.
On 03/26/2022 6:48 PM Mark Stephen Mrotek <carsonmark@ca.rr.com \
<mailto:carsonmark@ca.rr.com> > wrote:
Keith,
Please provide a minimum working code of what you want.
Mark
From: KEITH LYNN [mailto:klynn47@comcast.net]
Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2022 3:22 PM
To: Mark Stephen Mrotek <carsonmark@ca.rr.com <mailto:carsonmark@ca.rr.com> >
Subject: RE: Help with ties and accidentals
Thanks Mark. Is there a way to prevent the natural symbol from being produced?
On 03/26/2022 6:03 PM Mark Stephen Mrotek <carsonmark@ca.rr.com \
<mailto:carsonmark@ca.rr.com> > wrote:
Keith,
Ties ( ~ ) are only between notes of the same pitch.
Might you want you want a slur, i.e., ( )?
Mark
From: lilypond-user [mailto:lilypond-user-bounces+carsonmark=ca.rr.com@gnu.org] On \
Behalf Of KEITH LYNN
Sent: Saturda)y, March 26, 2022 2:53 PM
To: lilypond-user@gnu.org <mailto:lilypond-user@gnu.org>
Subject: Help with ties and accidentals
I am having trouble trying to produce a tie between a flat note and a non flat note \
of the same pitch.
For example, I want to tie a bes to a b, but instead of producing the tie symbol, it \
places a natural symbol in front of the second note.
How do I stop that? Thanks.
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class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span \
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Keith,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p \
class=MsoNormal><span \
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p \
class=MsoNormal><span \
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Been there, \
done that.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span \
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>You are \
welcome. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span \
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Continue to \
play with Lilypond. It shall reward your efforts.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p \
class=MsoNormal><span \
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p \
class=MsoNormal><span \
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Mark<o:p></o:p></span></p><p \
class=MsoNormal><a name="_MailEndCompose"><span \
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></a></p><div><div \
style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p \
class=MsoNormal><b><span \
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span \
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> KEITH LYNN \
[mailto:klynn47@comcast.net] <br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, March 26, 2022 7:00 \
PM<br><b>To:</b> Mark Stephen Mrotek <carsonmark@ca.rr.com>; Lilypond-User \
Mailing List <lilypond-user@gnu.org><br><b>Subject:</b> RE: Help with ties and \
accidentals<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p \
class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span \
style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333'>Thanks for your help Mark. I \
think my fundamental problem was I forgot the rule that an accidental on a note stays \
in effect for the whole measure. I really appreciate your help. \
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote \
style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 03/26/2022 \
9:46 PM Mark Stephen Mrotek <<a \
href="mailto:carsonmark@ca.rr.com">carsonmark@ca.rr.com</a>> wrote: \
<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p \
class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal \
style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span \
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Keith,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p \
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style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p \
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style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>See the \
attached.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal \
style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span \
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p \
class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span \
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Mark</span><o:p></o:p></p><p \
class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span \
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div \
style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p \
class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><strong><span \
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></strong><span \
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> KEITH LYNN [<a \
href="mailto:klynn47@comcast.net">mailto:klynn47@comcast.net</a>] <br><strong><span \
style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Sent:</span></strong> Saturday, March 26, \
2022 6:28 PM<br><strong><span \
style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>To:</span></strong> Mark Stephen Mrotek \
<<a href="mailto:carsonmark@ca.rr.com">carsonmark@ca.rr.com</a>>; Lilypond-User \
Mailing List <<a href="mailto:lilypond-user@gnu.org">lilypond-user@gnu.org</a>><br><strong><span \
style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Subject:</span></strong> RE: Help with ties \
and accidentals</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal \
style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p \
class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span \
style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333'>Sorry for the mistake on the \
links </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal \
style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span \
style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p \
class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span \
style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333'>Original - <a \
href="http://69.246.129.36/002.jpg">Music</a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p \
class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span \
style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333'>Lilypond Input - <a \
href="http://69.246.129.36/input1.jpg">Input</a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p \
class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span \
style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333'>Ouput - <a \
href="http://69.246.129.36/input2.jpg">Output</a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote \
style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal \
style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On 03/26/2022 9:12 PM \
KEITH LYNN <<a href="mailto:klynn47@comcast.net">klynn47@comcast.net</a>> \
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal \
style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p \
class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p \
class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span \
style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333'>Mark, \
</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal \
style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span \
style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333'> \
I'm trying to reproduce the following sheet music</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p \
class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span \
style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p \
class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span \
style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333'><a \
href="http://69.246.129.36/002.jpg">Original</a> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p \
class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span \
style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p \
class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span \
style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333'> I'm \
using this code to try to produce it </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p \
class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span \
style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p \
class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span \
style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333'><a \
href="http://69.246.129.36/002.jpg">Lilypond file</a> \
</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal \
style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span \
style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p \
class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span \
style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333'> And \
it's producing this result </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal \
style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span \
style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p \
class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span \
style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333'><a \
href="http://69.246.129.36/002.jpg">Output</a> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p \
class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span \
style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p \
class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span \
style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333'> I \
can't see how to make the accidentals disappear and also to produce the two lines \
connecting the right edge of the beam to the next two notes. \
</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote \
style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal \
style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On 03/26/2022 6:48 PM Mark \
Stephen Mrotek <<a href="mailto:carsonmark@ca.rr.com">carsonmark@ca.rr.com</a>> \
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal \
style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p \
class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p \
class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span \
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Keith,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p \
class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span \
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p \
class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span \
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Please \
provide a minimum working code of what you want.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p \
class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span \
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p \
class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span \
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Mark</span><o:p></o:p></p><p \
class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span \
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div \
style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p \
class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><strong><span \
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></strong><span \
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> KEITH LYNN [<a \
href="mailto:klynn47@comcast.net">mailto:klynn47@comcast.net</a>] <br><strong><span \
style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Sent:</span></strong> Saturday, March 26, \
2022 3:22 PM<br><strong><span \
style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>To:</span></strong> Mark Stephen Mrotek \
<<a href="mailto:carsonmark@ca.rr.com">carsonmark@ca.rr.com</a>><br><strong><span \
style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Subject:</span></strong> RE: Help with ties \
and accidentals</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal \
style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p \
class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span \
style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333'>Thanks Mark. Is there a way \
to prevent the natural symbol from being produced? \
</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote \
style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal \
style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On 03/26/2022 6:03 PM Mark \
Stephen Mrotek <<a href="mailto:carsonmark@ca.rr.com">carsonmark@ca.rr.com</a>> \
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal \
style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p \
class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p \
class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span \
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Keith,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p \
class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span \
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p \
class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span \
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Ties ( ~ ) \
are only between notes of the same pitch.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal \
style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span \
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Might you \
want you want a slur, i.e., ( )?</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal \
style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span \
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p \
class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span \
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Mark</span><o:p></o:p></p><p \
class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span \
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div \
style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p \
class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><strong><span \
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></strong><span \
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> lilypond-user [<a \
href="mailto:lilypond-user-bounces+carsonmark=ca.rr.com@gnu.org">mailto:lilypond-user-bounces+carsonmark=ca.rr.com@gnu.org</a>] \
<strong><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>On Behalf Of \
</span></strong>KEITH LYNN<br><strong><span \
style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Sent:</span></strong> Saturda)y, March 26, \
2022 2:53 PM<br><strong><span \
style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>To:</span></strong> <a \
href="mailto:lilypond-user@gnu.org">lilypond-user@gnu.org</a><br><strong><span \
style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Subject:</span></strong> Help with ties and \
accidentals</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal \
style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p \
class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span \
style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333'>I am having trouble trying \
to produce a tie between a flat note and a non flat note of the same pitch. \
</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal \
style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span \
style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p \
class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span \
style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333'>For example, I want to tie a \
bes to a b, but instead of producing the tie symbol, it places a natural symbol in \
front of the second note.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal \
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