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Subject: Re: tuplet error
From: Trevor Bača <trevorbaca () gmail ! com>
Date: 2018-08-25 23:08:18
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Hi Craig,
You can tupletize lone notes with no warnings:
### BEGIN ###
\new Staff
{
\times 2/3
{
g'2.:8
}
\times 2/3
{
a'2.:8
}
\times 2/3
{
bf'2.:8
}
\times 2/3
{
bf'2.:8
}
}
### END ###
[image: craig-tuplets.png]
Changing "\tuplet 2/3 2" to "\tuplet 2/3 4" (David's solution) is the right
one; but knowing about the (explicit) time scaling available with \times is
helpful to have as a backup (and allows you to think and notate each sixth
note as a sixth note).
Trevor.
On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 7:26 AM Craig Dabelstein <craig.dabelstein@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Thanks Malte, that was stupid of me. Improved MWE below.
>
> Andrew, this is just a shortcut in notation, developed when scores had to
> be handwritten. Writing it this way (as in bars 1 and 2) is a lot easier
> than the long version (bars 3 and 4). It doesn't seem to be used much in
> modern scores but was very prevalent in the the 1800s and earlier. When you
> see it in context you'd have no problem interpreting it.
>
> All the best,
>
> Craig
>
>
> \version "2.19.82"
> \language "english"
>
> notes = \relative c'' {
> %1
> \tuplet 3/2 2 { g2.:8 a2.:8 } |
>
> %2
> \tuplet 3/2 2 { bf2.:8 bf2.:8 } |
>
> %3
> \tuplet 3/2 4 { g8 g g g g g a a a a a a } |
>
> %4
> \tuplet 3/2 4 { bf8 bf bf bf bf bf bf bf bf bf bf bf } |
> }
>
> \score {
> \new Staff
> \notes
> \layout { }
> }
>
>
> On Fri, 24 Aug 2018 at 20:58, Andrew Bernard <andrew.bernard@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Aaron and Craig, I understand that already. But why the obscure
>> notation is what I was asking. Surely it can be written clearly or more
>> explicitly? And if you feel it needed explaining to me, it's going to need
>> explaining to other players, isn't it Craig?
>>
>> Andrew
>>
>>
>> On Fri, 24 Aug 2018 at 17:39, Aaron Hill <lilypond@hillvisions.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Not OP, but I believe that notation means to play a sequence of single
>>> note tremolos, with the single slash indicating eighth-note
>>> subdivisions. So each dotted half is played as six eighth notes,
>>> following the specified tuplet timing. That is, think of `g2.:8` as `g8
>>> 8 8 8 8 8`.
>>>
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>
>
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> craig.dabelstein@gmail.com
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<div dir="ltr">Hi Craig,<div><br></div><div>You can tupletize lone notes with no \
warnings:</div><div><br></div><div>### BEGIN ###</div><div><br></div><div><div>\new \
Staff</div><div>{</div><div><br></div><div> \times 2/3</div><div> \
{</div><div> g'2.:8</div><div> }</div><div><br></div><div> \
\times 2/3</div><div> {</div><div> a'2.:8</div><div> \
}</div><div><br></div><div> \times 2/3</div><div> {</div><div> \
bf'2.:8</div><div> }</div><div><br></div><div> \times 2/3</div><div> \
{</div><div> bf'2.:8</div><div> \
}</div><div><br></div><div>}</div></div><div><br></div><div>### END \
###</div><div><br></div><div><div><img src="cid:ii_jla1c6090" alt="craig-tuplets.png" \
width="547" height="224"><br></div></div><div><br></div><div>Changing "\tuplet \
2/3 2" to "\tuplet 2/3 4" (David's solution) is the right one; but \
knowing about the (explicit) time scaling available with \times is helpful to have as \
a backup (and allows you to think and notate each sixth note as a sixth \
note).</div><div><br></div><div>Trevor.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><br><div \
class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 7:26 AM Craig Dabelstein \
<<a href="mailto:craig.dabelstein@gmail.com">craig.dabelstein@gmail.com</a>> \
wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 \
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Thanks Malte, that \
was stupid of me. Improved MWE below.<div><br></div><div>Andrew, this is just a \
shortcut in notation, developed when scores had to be handwritten. Writing it this \
way (as in bars 1 and 2) is a lot easier than the long version (bars 3 and 4). It \
doesn't seem to be used much in modern scores but was very prevalent in the the \
1800s and earlier. When you see it in context you'd have no problem interpreting \
it.</div><div><br></div><div>All the \
best,</div><div><br></div><div>Craig</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><div>\version \
"2.19.82"</div><div>\language \
"english"</div><div><br></div><div>notes = \relative c'' \
{</div><div> %1</div><div> \tuplet 3/2 2 { g2.:8 a2.:8 } |</div><div> \
</div><div> %2</div><div> \tuplet 3/2 2 { bf2.:8 bf2.:8 } |</div><div> \
</div><div> %3</div><div> \tuplet 3/2 4 { g8 g g g g g a a a a a a } |</div><div> \
</div><div> %4</div><div> \tuplet 3/2 4 { bf8 bf bf bf bf bf bf bf bf bf bf bf } \
|</div><div>}</div><div><br></div><div>\score {</div><div> \new Staff </div><div> \
\notes</div><div> \layout { }</div><div>}</div></div><div><br></div></div><br><div \
class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Fri, 24 Aug 2018 at 20:58, Andrew Bernard \
<<a href="mailto:andrew.bernard@gmail.com" \
target="_blank">andrew.bernard@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote \
class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc \
solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>Hi Aaron and Craig, I understand that \
already. But why the obscure notation is what I was asking. Surely it can be written \
clearly or more explicitly? And if you feel it needed explaining to me, it's \
going to need explaining to other players, isn't it \
Craig?<br></div><div><br></div><div>Andrew</div><div><br></div><br><div \
class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Fri, 24 Aug 2018 at 17:39, Aaron Hill <<a \
href="mailto:lilypond@hillvisions.com" \
target="_blank">lilypond@hillvisions.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote \
class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc \
solid;padding-left:1ex"><br> <br>
Not OP, but I believe that notation means to play a sequence of single <br>
note tremolos, with the single slash indicating eighth-note <br>
subdivisions. So each dotted half is played as six eighth notes, <br>
following the specified tuplet timing. That is, think of `g2.:8` as `g8 <br>
8 8 8 8 8`.<br>
<br>
</blockquote></div></div>
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</blockquote></div><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div dir="ltr" \
class="m_-1883707608946692007gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div \
dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><b style="font-size:12.8px">Craig Dabelstein</b><div \
style="font-size:12.8px">Maxime's Music</div><div style="font-size:12.8px"><a \
href="mailto:craig.dabelstein@gmail.com" \
target="_blank">craig.dabelstein@gmail.com</a></div><div \
style="font-size:12.8px"><i><a href="http://maximesmusic.com" \
target="_blank">http://maximesmusic.com</a></i></div></div></div></div></div> \
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</blockquote></div><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div dir="ltr" \
class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div \
dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div>Trevor Bača<br></div><div><a \
href="http://www.trevorbaca.com" target="_blank">www.trevorbaca.com</a></div><div><a \
href="http://soundcloud.com/trevorbaca" \
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