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From: Flaming Hakama by Elaine <elaine () flaminghakama ! com>
Date: 2017-10-27 19:30:43
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From: Abraham Lee <tisimst.lilypond@gmail.com>
> To: Flaming Hakama by Elaine <elaine@flaminghakama.com>
> Cc: Lilypond-User Mailing List <lilypond-user@gnu.org>
> Subject: Re: Suggestions for page layout
>
>>
>>
> Abraham, those PDF-BatchBooklet utitilies look like precisely what I need,
>> although in a UI rather than text/command line.
>>
>
> Great!
>
>
>> I'm curious, does your interface rely on some of these same dependencies
>> pdftk, pdfjam, pdfbook or pdfinfo?
>>
>
> Not at all. Other than being Python-based, there's only one additional
> python package my apps require to handle the PDF operations. So, if you
> have Python 2.7 installed, I can send you a command-line version of my
> BatchBooklet app. It's REALLY fast, too, especially without the GUI in the
> way. Just let me know if you're interested.
>
> Best,
> Abraham
>
Yes, I would be totally interested in the command line version of your
utility.
Python seems like a great choice, especially given the apparent
percariousness
of pdftk.
Thanks,
David Elaine Alt
415 . 341 .4954 "*Confusion is
highly underrated*"
elaine@flaminghakama.com
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skype: flaming_hakama
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> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Marc Hohl <marc@hohlart.de>
> To: lilypond-user@gnu.org
> Cc:
> Bcc:
> Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2017 18:07:22 +0200
> Subject: Re: Invisible note lines?
> Am 27.10.2017 um 18:04 schrieb bb:
>
>> For a backing track I want a melody line and chords printed on a lead
>> sheet - standard with lilypond.
>> But a midi should have an aditional kickdrum/bassdrum for rhythm. The
>> notes should not be visible on the lead sheet but to hear in the midi.
>> Is it possible to add notes for midi but invisible on the print?
>>
>> Certainly I can assemble one lilypond file for the lead sheet and
>> another one for the midi. But that is not really smart. It is not
>> comfortable to have to change two lilypond files for corrections etc.
>>
>
> You only need to include two \score commands in one lilypond file:
>
> \score {
> ... stuff to be printed ...
> }
>
> \score {
> ... same stuff without kick ...
> \midi { }
> }
>
> HTH,
>
> Marc
>
>>
>> Regards BB
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Caagr98 <caagr98@gmail.com>
> To: lilypond-user@gnu.org
> Cc:
> Bcc:
> Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2017 18:08:52 +0200
> Subject: Re: Invisible note lines?
> You can use \tag and \removeWithTag for that.
>
> On 10/27/17 18:04, bb wrote:
> > For a backing track I want a melody line and chords printed on a lead
> > sheet - standard with lilypond.
> > But a midi should have an aditional kickdrum/bassdrum for rhythm. The
> > notes should not be visible on the lead sheet but to hear in the midi.
> > Is it possible to add notes for midi but invisible on the print?
> >
> > Certainly I can assemble one lilypond file for the lead sheet and
> > another one for the midi. But that is not really smart. It is not
> > comfortable to have to change two lilypond files for corrections etc.
> >
> > Regards BB
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > lilypond-user mailing list
> > lilypond-user@gnu.org
> > https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
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> From: Robert Schmaus <robert.schmaus@web.de>
> To: bb <bb-543437@telecolumbus.net>
> Cc: lilypond-user@gnu.org
> Bcc:
> Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2017 18:11:46 +0200
> Subject: Re: rim shot
> Actually, I (not a drummer as well but a bassist, so close enough ...)
> would suggest not to translate this at all. I've never played with a dummer
> (german speaking) who didn't call a rim shot "rim shot". I've never heard
> of a "Randschlag" or indeed any German word for this percussive element ...
>
>
>
>
> > On 27 Oct 2017, at 17:35, bb <bb-543437@telecolumbus.net> wrote:
> >
> > http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.18/Documentation/notation/percussion-in-midi
> > In the german Manual I found some funny translation for rim shot:
> > Peitschenschlag.
> >
> > I am not a drummer, but I think that should read as "Randschlag" or
> > "Rahmenschlag" for a drum or snare drum. German readers will understand
> > what is meant. "Rand" is the "edge" of the Drum and "Rahmen" means
> > something like a "frame" or "border" or "edge".
> >
> > Kind regards BB
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > lilypond-user@gnu.org
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>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: bb <bb-543437@telecolumbus.net>
> To: lilypond-user@gnu.org
> Cc:
> Bcc:
> Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2017 18:25:18 +0200
> Subject: Re: Invisible note lines?
> I interpret this to have to comment out one of the two \score blocks for
> printing and the other for to get the midi? or do I miss the point?
>
> Regards BB
>
> Am 27.10.2017 um 18:07 schrieb Marc Hohl:
> > Am 27.10.2017 um 18:04 schrieb bb:
> >> For a backing track I want a melody line and chords printed on a lead
> >> sheet - standard with lilypond.
> >> But a midi should have an aditional kickdrum/bassdrum for rhythm. The
> >> notes should not be visible on the lead sheet but to hear in the midi.
> >> Is it possible to add notes for midi but invisible on the print?
> >>
> >> Certainly I can assemble one lilypond file for the lead sheet and
> >> another one for the midi. But that is not really smart. It is not
> >> comfortable to have to change two lilypond files for corrections etc.
> >
> > You only need to include two \score commands in one lilypond file:
> >
> > \score {
> > ... stuff to be printed ...
> > }
> >
> > \score {
> > ... same stuff without kick ...
> > \midi { }
> > }
> >
> > HTH,
> >
> > Marc
> >>
> >> Regards BB
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
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> >> https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user
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>
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>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Marc Hohl <marc@hohlart.de>
> To: lilypond-user@gnu.org
> Cc:
> Bcc:
> Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2017 18:28:59 +0200
> Subject: Re: Invisible note lines?
> Am 27.10.2017 um 18:25 schrieb bb:
>
>> I interpret this to have to comment out one of the two \score blocks for
>> printing and the other for to get the midi? or do I miss the point?
>>
>
> No, you just put two score blocks in your .ly file.
> If one score block contains a \midi block and *no* layout block, there is
> no graphical output.
>
> See
>
> http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.18/Documentation/notation/creating-midi-files
>
> for clarification.
>
> HTH,
>
> Marc
>
>
>> Regards BB
>>
>> Am 27.10.2017 um 18:07 schrieb Marc Hohl:
>>
>>> Am 27.10.2017 um 18:04 schrieb bb:
>>>
>>>> For a backing track I want a melody line and chords printed on a lead
>>>> sheet - standard with lilypond.
>>>> But a midi should have an aditional kickdrum/bassdrum for rhythm. The
>>>> notes should not be visible on the lead sheet but to hear in the midi.
>>>> Is it possible to add notes for midi but invisible on the print?
>>>>
>>>> Certainly I can assemble one lilypond file for the lead sheet and
>>>> another one for the midi. But that is not really smart. It is not
>>>> comfortable to have to change two lilypond files for corrections etc.
>>>>
>>>
>>> You only need to include two \score commands in one lilypond file:
>>>
>>> \score {
>>> ... stuff to be printed ...
>>> }
>>>
>>> \score {
>>> ... same stuff without kick ...
>>> \midi { }
>>> }
>>>
>>> HTH,
>>>
>>> Marc
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Regards BB
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> lilypond-user@gnu.org
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>>>>
>>>
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<<a href="mailto:elaine@flaminghakama.com">elaine@flaminghakama.com</a>><br>Cc: \
Lilypond-User Mailing List <<a \
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dir="ltr"><span><div></div></span><div>Abraham, those PDF-BatchBooklet utitilies look \
like precisely what I need, although in a UI rather than text/command line. \
</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Great!</div><div> </div><blockquote \
class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc \
solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>I'm curious, does your interface rely \
on some of these same dependencies pdftk, pdfjam, pdfbook or \
pdfinfo?</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Not at all. Other than being \
Python-based, there's only one additional python package my apps require to \
handle the PDF operations. So, if you have Python 2.7 installed, I can send you a \
command-line version of my BatchBooklet app. It's REALLY fast, too, especially \
without the GUI in the way. Just let me know if you're \
interested.</div><div><br></div><div>Best,</div><div>Abraham</div></div></div></div> \
</blockquote><div><br></div><div>Yes, I would be totally interested in the command \
line version of your utility. <br></div><div><br></div><div>Python seems like a \
great choice, especially given the apparent percariousness</div><div>of \
pdftk.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Thanks, \
<br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>David Elaine Alt<br><div>415 . 341 .4954 \
"<i>Confusion is highly underrated</i>"<br></div><a \
href="mailto:elaine@flaminghakama.com" \
target="_blank">elaine@flaminghakama.com</a><br><font size="2" face="arial" \
color="black"><a href="http://self-immolation.info" \
target="_blank">self-immolation.info</a><br>
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</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc \
solid;padding-left:1ex"><br>---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: Marc \
Hohl <<a href="mailto:marc@hohlart.de">marc@hohlart.de</a>><br>To: <a \
href="mailto:lilypond-user@gnu.org">lilypond-user@gnu.org</a><br>Cc: <br>Bcc: \
<br>Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2017 18:07:22 +0200<br>Subject: Re: Invisible note \
lines?<br>Am 27.10.2017 um 18:04 schrieb bb:<br> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" \
style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> For a backing \
track I want a melody line and chords printed on a lead<br> sheet - standard with \
lilypond.<br> But a midi should have an aditional kickdrum/bassdrum for rhythm. \
The<br> notes should not be visible on the lead sheet but to hear in the midi.<br>
Is it possible to add notes for midi but invisible on the print?<br>
<br>
Certainly I can assemble one lilypond file for the lead sheet and<br>
another one for the midi. But that is not really smart. It is not<br>
comfortable to have to change two lilypond files for corrections etc.<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
You only need to include two \score commands in one lilypond file:<br>
<br>
\score {<br>
... stuff to be printed ...<br>
}<br>
<br>
\score {<br>
... same stuff without kick ...<br>
\midi { }<br>
}<br>
<br>
HTH,<br>
<br>
Marc<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc \
solid;padding-left:1ex"> <br>
Regards BB<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
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href="mailto:lilypond-user@gnu.org">lilypond-user@gnu.org</a><br>Cc: <br>Bcc: \
<br>Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2017 18:08:52 +0200<br>Subject: Re: Invisible note \
lines?<br>You can use \tag and \removeWithTag for that.<br> <br>
On 10/27/17 18:04, bb wrote:<br>
> For a backing track I want a melody line and chords printed on a lead<br>
> sheet - standard with lilypond.<br>
> But a midi should have an aditional kickdrum/bassdrum for rhythm. The<br>
> notes should not be visible on the lead sheet but to hear in the midi.<br>
> Is it possible to add notes for midi but invisible on the print?<br>
><br>
> Certainly I can assemble one lilypond file for the lead sheet and<br>
> another one for the midi. But that is not really smart. It is not<br>
> comfortable to have to change two lilypond files for corrections etc.<br>
><br>
> Regards BB<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
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<br><br>---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: Robert Schmaus <<a \
href="mailto:robert.schmaus@web.de">robert.schmaus@web.de</a>><br>To: bb <<a \
href="mailto:bb-543437@telecolumbus.net">bb-543437@telecolumbus.net</a>><br>Cc: \
<a href="mailto:lilypond-user@gnu.org">lilypond-user@gnu.org</a><br>Bcc: <br>Date: \
Fri, 27 Oct 2017 18:11:46 +0200<br>Subject: Re: rim shot<br>Actually, I (not a \
drummer as well but a bassist, so close enough ...) would suggest not to translate \
this at all. I've never played with a dummer (german speaking) who didn't \
call a rim shot "rim shot". I've never heard of a \
"Randschlag" or indeed any German word for this percussive element ...<br> \
<br> <br>
<br>
<br>
> On 27 Oct 2017, at 17:35, bb <<a \
href="mailto:bb-543437@telecolumbus.net">bb-543437@telecolumbus.net</a>> \
wrote:<br> ><br>
> <a href="http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.18/Documentation/notation/percussion-in-midi" \
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.18/<wbr>Documentation/notation/<wbr>percussion-in-midi</a><br>
> In the german Manual I found some funny translation for rim shot:<br>
> Peitschenschlag.<br>
><br>
> I am not a drummer, but I think that should read as "Randschlag" \
or<br> > "Rahmenschlag" for a drum or snare drum. German readers will \
understand<br> > what is meant. "Rand" is the "edge" of the \
Drum and "Rahmen" means<br> > something like a "frame" or \
"border" or "edge".<br> ><br>
> Kind regards BB<br>
><br>
><br>
> ______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>
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<br><br>---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: bb <<a \
href="mailto:bb-543437@telecolumbus.net">bb-543437@telecolumbus.net</a>><br>To: \
<a href="mailto:lilypond-user@gnu.org">lilypond-user@gnu.org</a><br>Cc: <br>Bcc: \
<br>Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2017 18:25:18 +0200<br>Subject: Re: Invisible note \
lines?<br>I interpret this to have to comment out one of the two \score blocks \
for<br> printing and the other for to get the midi? or do I miss the point?<br>
<br>
Regards BB<br>
<br>
Am 27.10.2017 um 18:07 schrieb Marc Hohl:<br>
> Am 27.10.2017 um 18:04 schrieb bb:<br>
>> For a backing track I want a melody line and chords printed on a lead<br>
>> sheet - standard with lilypond.<br>
>> But a midi should have an aditional kickdrum/bassdrum for rhythm. The<br>
>> notes should not be visible on the lead sheet but to hear in the midi.<br>
>> Is it possible to add notes for midi but invisible on the print?<br>
>><br>
>> Certainly I can assemble one lilypond file for the lead sheet and<br>
>> another one for the midi. But that is not really smart. It is not<br>
>> comfortable to have to change two lilypond files for corrections etc.<br>
><br>
> You only need to include two \score commands in one lilypond file:<br>
><br>
> \score {<br>
> ... stuff to be printed ...<br>
> }<br>
><br>
> \score {<br>
> ... same stuff without kick ...<br>
> \midi { }<br>
> }<br>
><br>
> HTH,<br>
><br>
> Marc<br>
>><br>
>> Regards BB<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> ______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>
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rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/<wbr>listinfo/lilypond-user</a><br>
>><br>
><br>
><br>
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<br><br>---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: Marc Hohl <<a \
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href="mailto:lilypond-user@gnu.org">lilypond-user@gnu.org</a><br>Cc: <br>Bcc: \
<br>Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2017 18:28:59 +0200<br>Subject: Re: Invisible note \
lines?<br>Am 27.10.2017 um 18:25 schrieb bb:<br> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" \
style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> I interpret \
this to have to comment out one of the two \score blocks for<br> printing and the \
other for to get the midi? or do I miss the point?<br> </blockquote>
<br>
No, you just put two score blocks in your .ly file.<br>
If one score block contains a \midi block and *no* layout block, there is no \
graphical output.<br> <br>
See<br>
<br>
<a href="http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.18/Documentation/notation/creating-midi-files" \
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.18/<wbr>Documentation/notation/creatin<wbr>g-midi-files</a><br>
<br>
for clarification.<br>
<br>
HTH,<br>
<br>
Marc<br>
<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc \
solid;padding-left:1ex"> <br>
Regards BB<br>
<br>
Am 27.10.2017 um 18:07 schrieb Marc Hohl:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc \
solid;padding-left:1ex"> Am 27.10.2017 um 18:04 schrieb bb:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc \
solid;padding-left:1ex"> For a backing track I want a melody line and chords printed \
on a lead<br> sheet - standard with lilypond.<br>
But a midi should have an aditional kickdrum/bassdrum for rhythm. The<br>
notes should not be visible on the lead sheet but to hear in the midi.<br>
Is it possible to add notes for midi but invisible on the print?<br>
<br>
Certainly I can assemble one lilypond file for the lead sheet and<br>
another one for the midi. But that is not really smart. It is not<br>
comfortable to have to change two lilypond files for corrections etc.<br>
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You only need to include two \score commands in one lilypond file:<br>
<br>
\score {<br>
... stuff to be printed ...<br>
}<br>
<br>
\score {<br>
... same stuff without kick ...<br>
\midi { }<br>
}<br>
<br>
HTH,<br>
<br>
Marc<br>
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Regards BB<br>
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