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Subject: Re: Trouble with alternative melody and lyrics
From: Peter Heisen <writepeterheisen () gmail ! com>
Date: 2015-04-28 20:14:31
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Trevor & Abraham,
Thank you for your excellent suggestions. By comparing my code to yours,
also realize the fundamental error of my ways. I had
<<
\new Voice { Music with note }
{ Music with rest }
> >
but I should have had
<<
{ Music with note }
\new Voice { Music with rest }
> >
Apparently, this allows the lyrics to "see" the note and align
appropriately. It's simple looking at it now, but I didn't see it before.
Your additional recommendations simplify the code and make it look much
better. Thank you.
Sincerely,
Peter
On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 10:52 AM, tisimst <tisimst.lilypond@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Peter,
>
> I like Trevor's suggestions. I'd also recommend the following:
>
> 1. In the first verse lyrics, change " " to "" (i.e., remove the space).
> This makes One line up better with the notehead. You can also do "\skip
> 4" instead. For some reason, in 2.18.2, using " " creates a manual melisma,
> which is not what you want in the first verse, I think.
>
> 2. Add "\once \tiny" to the note that is only used in the second verse
> (for clarity):
>
> <<
> { \once \tiny \once \voiceTwo f }
> ...
> > >
>
> - Abraham
>
> On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 9:07 AM, Trevor Daniels [via Lilypond] <[hidden
> email] <http:///user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=175500&i=0>> wrote:
>
> >
> > Peter wrote Monday, April 27, 2015 8:25 AM
> >
> > > I have a song with two verses. The lyrics to the second stanza
> > occasionally have an extra syllable, such that there is a rest on that beat
> > in the first verse but a note in the second verse. I'm trying to address
> > this using the code found in notation manual (v. 2.18.2) in Section 2.1.3
> > "Stanzas", subsection "Switching to an alternative melody". See
> > http://www.lilypond.org/doc/v2.18/Documentation/notation/stanzas#stanzas-with-different-rhythms.
> > But I cannot get the lyrics to recognize and line up with the added beat in
> > the second stanza. An example, as minimal as I was able to get it, follows
> > below. Can anyone help? Also, is there a simpler approach that works for
> > this, so I don't have to define a new alternative voice every time this
> > situation occurs?
> >
> > I'd use a simpler approach, like this (it's usually easiest to keep as
> > many notes as possible in the music associated with the lyrics, using skip
> > or " " to skip them as necessary):
> >
> > \version "2.18.2"
> >
> > melody_verse = \relative c' {
> > c4
> > <<
> > { \once \voiceTwo f }
> > \new Voice { d'4\rest }
> > > >
> > g,4 a |
> > }
> >
> > \score {
> > <<
> > \new Staff {
> > \new Voice = "main" {
> > \repeat volta 2 { \melody_verse }
> > }
> > }
> >
> > \new Lyrics \lyricsto "main" {
> > One " " three four.
> > }
> > \new Lyrics \lyricsto "main" {
> > Uno dos tres quatro.
> > }
> > > >
> > }
> >
> > Trevor
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<div dir="ltr">Trevor & Abraham,<div><br></div><div>Thank you for your excellent \
suggestions. By comparing my code to yours, also realize the fundamental error of \
my ways. I had</div><div><br></div><div><<</div><div>\new Voice { Music with \
note }</div><div>{ Music with rest }</div><div>>></div><div><br></div><div>but \
I should have had</div><div><br></div><div><<</div><div>{ Music with note \
}</div><div>\new Voice { Music with rest \
}</div><div>>></div><div><br></div><div>Apparently, this allows the lyrics to \
"see" the note and align appropriately. It's simple looking at it \
now, but I didn't see it before. Your additional recommendations simplify the \
code and make it look much better. Thank \
you.</div><div><br></div><div>Sincerely,</div><div><br></div><div>Peter</div></div><div \
class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 10:52 AM, \
tisimst <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:tisimst.lilypond@gmail.com" \
target="_blank">tisimst.lilypond@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote \
class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc \
solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Peter,<div><br></div><div>I like Trevor's \
suggestions. I'd also recommend the following:<div><br></div><div>1. In the first \
verse lyrics, change <font face="monospace, monospace" color="#cc0000">" \
"</font> to <font face="monospace, monospace" \
color="#cc0000">""</font> (i.e., remove the space). This makes <font \
face="monospace, monospace" color="#cc0000">One</font> line up better with the \
notehead. You can also do "\skip 4" instead. For some reason, in 2.18.2, \
using " " creates a manual melisma, which is not what you want in the first \
verse, I think.</div><div><br></div><div>2. Add "<font face="monospace, \
monospace" color="#cc0000">\once \tiny</font>" to the note that is only used in \
the second verse (for clarity):</div><div><br></div><div><font face="monospace, \
monospace" color="#cc0000"><<</font></div><div><font face="monospace, \
monospace" color="#cc0000"> { \once \tiny \once \voiceTwo f \
}</font></div><div><font face="monospace, monospace" color="#cc0000"> \
...</font></div><div><font face="monospace, monospace" \
color="#cc0000">>></font></div><div><br></div><div>- \
Abraham</div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div \
class="gmail_quote"><div><div class="h5">On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 9:07 AM, Trevor \
Daniels [via Lilypond] <span dir="ltr"><<a \
href="http:///user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=175500&i=0" rel="nofollow" \
link="external" target="_blank">[hidden email]</a>></span> \
wrote:<br></div></div><blockquote style="border-left:2px solid #cccccc;padding:0 1em" \
class="gmail_quote"><div><div class="h5"><span>
<br>Peter wrote Monday, April 27, 2015 8:25 AM
<br><br></span><span>> I have a song with two verses. The lyrics to the second \
stanza occasionally have an extra syllable, such that there is a rest on that beat in \
the first verse but a note in the second verse. I'm trying to address this \
using the code found in notation manual (v. 2.18.2) in Section 2.1.3 \
"Stanzas", subsection "Switching to an alternative melody". See \
<a href="http://www.lilypond.org/doc/v2.18/Documentation/notation/stanzas#stanzas-with-different-rhythms" \
rel="nofollow" link="external" \
target="_blank">http://www.lilypond.org/doc/v2.18/Documentation/notation/stanzas#stanzas-with-different-rhythms</a>. \
But I cannot get the lyrics to recognize and line up with the added beat in the \
second stanza. An example, as minimal as I was able to get it, follows below. Can \
anyone help? Also, is there a simpler approach that works for this, so I don't \
have to define a new alternative voice every time this situation occurs? \
<br><br></span><span>I'd use a simpler approach, like this (it's usually \
easiest to keep as many notes as possible in the music associated with the lyrics, \
using skip or " " to skip them as necessary): <br><br></span><span>\version \
"2.18.2" <br><br>melody_verse = \relative c' {
<br> c4
<br> <<
<br></span><span> { \once \voiceTwo f }
<br> \new Voice { d'4\rest }
<br> >>
<br></span><span> g,4 a |
<br>}
<br><br>\score {
<br> <<
<br> \new Staff {
<br> \new Voice = "main" {
<br> \repeat volta 2 { \melody_verse }
<br> }
<br> }
<br><br> \new Lyrics \lyricsto "main" {
<br> One " " three four.
<br> }
<br></span></div></div><span><div><div class="h5"> \new Lyrics \lyricsto \
"main" { <br> Uno dos tres quatro.
<br> }
<br> >>
<br>}
<br><br>Trevor
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