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Subject:    Re: cross-hands, cross-staves
From:       Curt <accounts () museworld ! com>
Date:       2012-08-30 0:14:35
Message-ID: 5BDD0EC2-4589-4C11-BBA4-998E0FB42105 () museworld ! com
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Well... future patterns later in the piece are larger than hand size, and, it plays \
fast and soft enough that I find it unreasonable to play with one hand.  Audio of the \
complete improvisation is at my site: http://curtsiffert.com/anelusivesweetness .



On Aug 29, 2012, at 5:04 PM, Shane Brandes wrote:

> Looks to me that the cross tie stuff lies easily under the left hand alone. 
> 
> Shane
> 
> On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 3:09 PM, Curt <accounts@museworld.com> wrote:
> 
> Thank you for the perspectives!  It's nice to know that it comes across clearly.  I \
> was afraid it might look too cluttered but I can always also just play with the \
> staff spacing a bit. 
> Curt
> 
> On Aug 29, 2012, at 5:06 AM, David Nalesnik wrote:
> 
> > Hi Curt,
> > 
> > On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 2:30 AM, Francisco Vila <paconet.org@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > 2012/8/29 Curt <accounts@museworld.com>
> > > > The actual question is wondering if anyone thinks there is a
> > > > better/clearer way to notate the following figure.  Hands alternating, with
> > > > melody in the pinky.  The pattern continues throughout the piece (with
> > > > different notes).  Right hand stays in the same general location, right hand
> > > > wanders down an octave or so at times.
> > > 
> > > Now to your actual question: at first sight, beaming on 16ths suggests
> > > same hand despite of being cross staff. In this case I would indicate
> > > clearly R.H. on the 16ths in upper staff. It would be more kludgy but
> > > also doubtless (on how to play it) to use alternate 16ths and silences
> > > instead of cross beaming.
> > > 
> > 
> > I think the way you notate this is perfectly clear.  Distributing
> > notes between the staves depending on which hand the player should use
> > is expected in notation for the piano.  (You can find many instances
> > of this in Debussy's Preludes, for example).  Indicating R.H. and L.H.
> > shouldn't be necessary if the staff distribution makes this obvious,
> > whether the cross-staff notes are beamed together or not (certainly a
> > good idea here).
> > 
> > The passage itself is not hard with alternating hands and 3-4-5 on the
> > melody, but it's a different story with taking the accompaniment in
> > the left hand.  Though doable, I don't imagine that would be a
> > pianist's first impulse!
> > 
> > -David
> 
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-webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Well... future patterns later in the piece \
are larger than hand size, and, it plays fast and soft enough that I find it \
unreasonable to play with one hand. &nbsp;Audio of the complete improvisation is at \
my site: <a href="http://curtsiffert.com/anelusivesweetness">http://curtsiffert.com/anelusivesweetness</a> \
.<div><br></div><div><br><div><br><div><div>On Aug 29, 2012, at 5:04 PM, Shane \
Brandes wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote \
type="cite">Looks to me that the cross tie stuff lies easily under the left hand \
alone.&nbsp;<div><br></div><div>Shane<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Aug 29, \
2012 at 3:09 PM, Curt <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:accounts@museworld.com" \
target="_blank">accounts@museworld.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br> <blockquote \
class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc \
solid;padding-left:1ex"><br> Thank you for the perspectives! &nbsp;It's nice to know \
that it comes across clearly. &nbsp;I was afraid it might look too cluttered but I \
can always also just play with the staff spacing a bit.<br> <span \
class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br> Curt<br>
</font></span><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><br>
On Aug 29, 2012, at 5:06 AM, David Nalesnik wrote:<br>
<br>
&gt; Hi Curt,<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 2:30 AM, Francisco Vila &lt;<a \
href="mailto:paconet.org@gmail.com">paconet.org@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br> &gt;&gt; \
2012/8/29 Curt &lt;<a \
href="mailto:accounts@museworld.com">accounts@museworld.com</a>&gt;<br> &gt;&gt;&gt; \
The actual question is wondering if anyone thinks there is a<br> &gt;&gt;&gt; \
better/clearer way to notate the following figure. &nbsp;Hands alternating, with<br> \
&gt;&gt;&gt; melody in the pinky. &nbsp;The pattern continues throughout the piece \
(with<br> &gt;&gt;&gt; different notes). &nbsp;Right hand stays in the same general \
location, right hand<br> &gt;&gt;&gt; wanders down an octave or so at times.<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Now to your actual question: at first sight, beaming on 16ths suggests<br>
&gt;&gt; same hand despite of being cross staff. In this case I would indicate<br>
&gt;&gt; clearly R.H. on the 16ths in upper staff. It would be more kludgy but<br>
&gt;&gt; also doubtless (on how to play it) to use alternate 16ths and silences<br>
&gt;&gt; instead of cross beaming.<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; I think the way you notate this is perfectly clear. &nbsp;Distributing<br>
&gt; notes between the staves depending on which hand the player should use<br>
&gt; is expected in notation for the piano. &nbsp;(You can find many instances<br>
&gt; of this in Debussy's Preludes, for example). &nbsp;Indicating R.H. and L.H.<br>
&gt; shouldn't be necessary if the staff distribution makes this obvious,<br>
&gt; whether the cross-staff notes are beamed together or not (certainly a<br>
&gt; good idea here).<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; The passage itself is not hard with alternating hands and 3-4-5 on the<br>
&gt; melody, but it's a different story with taking the accompaniment in<br>
&gt; the left hand. &nbsp;Though doable, I don't imagine that would be a<br>
&gt; pianist's first impulse!<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; -David<br>
<br>
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