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List:       lilypond-user
Subject:    Re: Lyrics, ties, extenders and hyphens
From:       "Neil Killeen" <neilkilleen () hotmail ! com>
Date:       2005-10-28 1:18:37
Message-ID: BAY107-F204121C38D20CCBCF8A247AD6B0 () phx ! gbl
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Mats

many thanks for following that up.

regards
Neil

>From: Mats Bengtsson <mats.bengtsson@s3.kth.se>
>To: Neil Killeen <neilkilleen@hotmail.com>
>CC: lilypond-user@gnu.org
>Subject: Re: Lyrics, ties, extenders and hyphens
>Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 10:17:52 +0200
>
>I have now checked an authoritative book ("Noter" by Börje Tyboni,
>unfortunately only available in Swedish). It turns out that you
>can have extender lines also for tied over notes, not only for
>melismas. The rule is rather that you should only use an extender line
>if there is a wide space to the next syllable.
>My answers for 2) and 3) seem correct, though.
>
>    /Mats
>
>Mats Bengtsson wrote:
>>I don't have any book on music typesetting practice available
>>in front of me right now, but will try some advanced guesses
>>anyway.
>>
>>Neil Killeen wrote:
>>
>>>Hi
>>>
>>>1) what is the correct thing to do with a lyric and a tie ?
>>>    Should one use an extender like with a melisma ?  Thus
>>>
>>>    a~ a
>>>    Fish __
>>>
>>>   Lilypond seems tolerant if I don't add the extender
>>>
>>>   a~ a
>>>   Fish
>>>
>>I would only use extender lines for melismas, not for ties.
>>
>>>
>>>2) Also, I am finding extenders and hyphens get mixed up if I do   extend 
>>>ties.
>>>
>>>    E.g.
>>>
>>>    a1~ | a1  | es1~ | es1
>>>    Moun __ -- tains
>>>
>>>   What I see after type setting is something like
>>>
>>>     /--------------\             /-----------\
>>>     o              o           o            o
>>>                _         _                           <- First hyphen 
>>>overlaps with extender
>>>    Moun______           tains_____
>>>
>>I think it's normal to only use hyphens in such a situation and no 
>>extender lines.
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>3) Finally, on a matter of style of lyrics and punctuation. Is it good 
>>>style to
>>>    see punctuation (e.g. a full stop or comma) before an extender ?
>>>    E.g.
>>>
>>>    a~ a
>>>    Fish. __
>>>
>>>    If not, what should one do ?   Leave out the punctuation or try and
>>>    poke it in after the extender somehow ?
>>
>>
>>The punctuation before the extender seems reasonable.
>>
>>   /Mats
>>
>
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>	Mats Bengtsson
>	Signal Processing
>	Signals, Sensors and Systems
>	Royal Institute of Technology
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