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List:       lilypond-devel
Subject:    Re: Naturals on all notes
From:       "Stephen" <stecmccarthy () hotpop ! com>
Date:       2005-06-27 16:45:45
Message-ID: 00d201c57b5b$c59e3f50$5bac0443 () VAIO
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Not to be argumentative, but in UE repeated notes within a measure only have 
the natural on the first note, so there still is a rule stating that not all 
notes get a natural or accidental. I have Schoenberg Suite Fur Klavier op. 
25.  I think the naturals are to remind us players who are used to tonal 
music in keys that a b-flat in a measure does not imply an a-flat etc. The 
rule that the absence of an accidental implies a natural still applies in 
atonal music, however.

I might want to investigate further, since I brought it up, whether the 
default C major key could be removed. And what kind of kaos that might 
create.

Stephen

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mehmet Okonsar" <okonsar@ttnet.net.tr>
To: "Stephen" <stecmccarthy@hotpop.com>; "Mehmet Okonsar" 
<mehmet@okonsar.com>; <lilypond-devel@gnu.org>
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 4:00 AM
Subject: Re: Naturals on all notes


> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Stephen" <stecmccarthy@hotpop.com>
> To: "Mehmet Okonsar" <mehmet@okonsar.com>; <lilypond-devel@gnu.org>
> Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2005 7:27 PM
> Subject: Re: Naturals on all notes
>
>
>
>> In the key of C minor, Eb is an unaltared note. Would you want to put a
>> natural on the Eb?
> ----------------------------
> no, i'm only interested in notating atonal music in the tradition of 2d
> vienna school composers and the Universal Edition, I want to have a 
> natural
> OR a Sharp OR a flat on every every note. I do not want a key signature.
>
>
>> If that is the case, it might be worthwhile to persue removing all key
>> signatures including the default key signature of C major. But even then 
>> a
>> natural is assumed in the absence of an accidental.
> --------------------------------
> here's my problem.. I want the natural to be forced to appear exactly as 
> any
> alteration (by using the ! sign for example but it doesn't work on
> naturals..)
>
>> But again, the absence of an accidental implies a natural, so having
>> naturals in front of all notes by default is impossible.
>>
>
>>
>> Or you can follow each note with  \natural to put a natural before each
>> note.
> -----------------------------
> that may be the answer to my question
> thanks..
>
> an acciental scheme automating that /natural command will be most welcome
> for new music composers..
>
>>
>> Stephen
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Mehmet Okonsar" <okonsar@ttnet.net.tr>
>> To: <lilypond-devel@gnu.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2005 2:27 AM
>> Subject: Naturals on all notes
>>
>>
>> > How to get naturals on all non-altered notes by default?
>> > None of the accidental schemes seems to do that..
>> > Thanks
>> > Best Regards,
>> > Mehmet Okonsar, pianist-composer
>> > www.okonsar.com
>> >
>> >
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