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Subject: Re: How can i make kate behaviour go back to normal?
From: Waqar Ahmed <waqar.17a () gmail ! com>
Date: 2022-12-11 19:22:35
Message-ID: CAPesRH4K9sStEGUBrD4m5ycV61DyV2LWhHoFYLm1dvnuj=bchA () mail ! gmail ! com
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Hello Albert,
> You assume people use your workflow, and that's a lots of assumption,
I've no
use for split views or other main windows in my workflow
You _assume_ that I assume that when in fact I don't.
I don't use splits or extra mainWindows either.
You are free to think it's terrible/whatever. There's no opinion dismissal
here or otherwise this discourse wouldn't have happened. We decided on a
more non-modal workflow.
On Sun, Dec 11, 2022, 11:07 PM Albert Astals Cid <aacid@kde.org> wrote:
> El diumenge, 11 de desembre de 2022, a les 18:18:07 (CET), Waqar Ahmed va
> escriure:
> > , > And with regard to switching views with a Kate-specific keyboard
> > shortcut, I
> > switch all the time between different windows (including settings
> dialogs)
> > of
> > the same or different applications with Alt+Tab. How does having to lea=
rn
> > and
> > use a different keyboard shortcut in Kate improve the UX?
> >
> > You are mixing things, comparing apples and oranges. Like I suggested
> > already, go and use it first before assuming it's not good enough.
>
> You should not assume people have not used it, I've used it and it's
> terrible
> for me, makes me super sad/angry on a very basic level (again as mentione=
d
> on
> the other email, that's my particular problem).
>
> You assume people use your workflow, and that's a lots of assumption, I'v=
e
> no
> use for split views or other main windows in my workflow.
>
> Of course you'll are the ones doing the work, so you decide, but don't
> dismiss
> other people opinions just based on "it works for me".
>
> Cheers,
> Albert
>
> > Besides,
> > I am done here / don't have the energy to argue anymore.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Waqar
> >
> > On Sun, Dec 11, 2022, 8:39 PM Ingo Kl=C3=B6cker <kloecker@kde.org> wrot=
e:
> > > On Sonntag, 11. Dezember 2022 13:58:15 CET Waqar Ahmed wrote:
> > > > > It's funny how you argue that a modal dialog is bad
> > > >
> > > > What's funny? And where did I say it's bad? You misunderstand thing=
s.
> > >
> > > You wrote:
> > > > Why should we block the editor when the dialog is open? Give me one
> > >
> > > reason.
> > >
> > > I read this as "a modal dialog is bad", but maybe you meant something
> else
> > > with "block the editor when the dialog is open".
> > >
> > > > > completely overlay the main view with a settings view .
> > > >
> > > > But just for your info: you can open the settings in a split or a n=
ew
> > > > mainWindow
> > >
> > > So, instead of opening a separate settings dialog as almost any other
> KDE
> > > application the user should now open a separate view themselves? Do y=
ou
> > > realize how ironic this is?
> > >
> > > And with regard to switching views with a Kate-specific keyboard
> shortcut,
> > > I
> > > switch all the time between different windows (including settings
> dialogs)
> > > of
> > > the same or different applications with Alt+Tab. How does having to
> learn
> > > and
> > > use a different keyboard shortcut in Kate improve the UX?
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Ingo
>
>
>
>
>
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<div dir="auto"><div>Hello Albert, </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div \
dir="auto">> You assume people use your workflow, and that's a lots of \
assumption, I've no</div>use for split views or other main windows in my \
workflow<div dir="auto"><br><div dir="auto">You _assume_ that I assume that when in \
fact I don't.</div><div dir="auto">I don't use splits or extra mainWindows \
either. <br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">You are free to think \
it's terrible/whatever. There's no opinion dismissal here or otherwise this \
discourse wouldn't have happened. We decided on a more non-modal workflow. \
</div><div dir="auto"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote" dir="auto"><div dir="ltr" \
class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Dec 11, 2022, 11:07 PM Albert Astals Cid <<a \
href="mailto:aacid@kde.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" \
target="_blank">aacid@kde.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" \
style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">El diumenge, 11 \
de desembre de 2022, a les 18:18:07 (CET), Waqar Ahmed va <br> escriure:<br>
> , > And with regard to switching views with a Kate-specific keyboard<br>
> shortcut, I<br>
> switch all the time between different windows (including settings dialogs)<br>
> of<br>
> the same or different applications with Alt+Tab. How does having to learn<br>
> and<br>
> use a different keyboard shortcut in Kate improve the UX?<br>
> <br>
> You are mixing things, comparing apples and oranges. Like I suggested<br>
> already, go and use it first before assuming it's not good enough. <br>
<br>
You should not assume people have not used it, I've used it and it's terrible \
<br> for me, makes me super sad/angry on a very basic level (again as mentioned on \
<br> the other email, that's my particular problem). <br>
<br>
You assume people use your workflow, and that's a lots of assumption, I've no \
<br> use for split views or other main windows in my workflow.<br>
<br>
Of course you'll are the ones doing the work, so you decide, but don't \
dismiss <br> other people opinions just based on "it works for me".<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
Albert<br>
<br>
> Besides,<br>
> I am done here / don't have the energy to argue anymore.<br>
> <br>
> Cheers,<br>
> Waqar<br>
> <br>
> On Sun, Dec 11, 2022, 8:39 PM Ingo Klöcker <<a \
href="mailto:kloecker@kde.org" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" \
target="_blank">kloecker@kde.org</a>> wrote:<br> > > On Sonntag, 11. \
Dezember 2022 13:58:15 CET Waqar Ahmed wrote:<br> > > > > It's funny \
how you argue that a modal dialog is bad<br> > > > <br>
> > > What's funny? And where did I say it's bad? You misunderstand \
things.<br> > > <br>
> > You wrote:<br>
> > > Why should we block the editor when the dialog is open? Give me \
one<br> > > <br>
> > reason.<br>
> > <br>
> > I read this as "a modal dialog is bad", but maybe you meant \
something else<br> > > with "block the editor when the dialog is \
open".<br> > > <br>
> > > > completely overlay the main view with a settings view .<br>
> > > <br>
> > > But just for your info: you can open the settings in a split or a \
new<br> > > > mainWindow<br>
> > <br>
> > So, instead of opening a separate settings dialog as almost any other \
KDE<br> > > application the user should now open a separate view themselves? Do \
you<br> > > realize how ironic this is?<br>
> > <br>
> > And with regard to switching views with a Kate-specific keyboard \
shortcut,<br> > > I<br>
> > switch all the time between different windows (including settings \
dialogs)<br> > > of<br>
> > the same or different applications with Alt+Tab. How does having to \
learn<br> > > and<br>
> > use a different keyboard shortcut in Kate improve the UX?<br>
> > <br>
> > Regards,<br>
> > Ingo<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
</blockquote></div></div></div></div>
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