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Subject:    Re: Re: More GSOC ideas
From:       Martin =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gr=E4=DFlin?= <mgraesslin () kde ! org>
Date:       2012-03-16 18:31:06
Message-ID: 1570052.E1YbyL5upk () martin-desktop
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Hi,

thanks for your answer. Given that you have been a tiling window manager user 
I just have a few more questions and take that to the KWin list only. I 
currently try to figure out what to do with tiling and I am looking for 
feedback from users of both tiling wms and KWin :-)

On Tuesday 13 March 2012 19:00:46 heathmatlock wrote:
> I have been an Xmonad user for a couple of years (and awesome for a
> little while as well) because of the productivity gains, it's just so
> much faster to use the keyboard than to switch back and forth between
> mouse and keyboard. It's also faster to have the windows tiled in a
> manner which allows you to access information faster by glancing
> instead of the alternative used by Kwin and others which is to to alt
> tab for moving windows out of the way. I recently switched back to KDE
> when I realized I started spending a large part of my time attempting
> to acquire all the functionality of a DE out of Xmonad. It would be
> ideal to have all the power which KDE offers with easier access to
> data which tiling window managers offer.
Now to that my question: why are you not using e.g. Xmonad instead of KWin 
with Plasma Desktop? What is lacking for the usage of the desktop environment 
when using a real tiling window manager?

Do you think that there are many users of tiling window managers who would 
prefer using the Plasma Workspaces with a tiling KWin?

My personal understanding is that the userbase of KWin and tiling wms are 
mutual exclusive. Consider for example this screenshot in the German Wikipedia 
for i3: 
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/af/I3_window_manager_screenshot.png

To me it looks like screen on KMS would be enough for them. And given that I 
know the core developer of i3 I'm quite sure that it's a screenshot of his 
system (further proof: username michael).

Your opinion on these thoughts would be appreciated.

Cheers
Martin
> 
> The closest thing we have is configuring the machine to have several
> virtual desktops with all the window maximized. Then you can do
> something like super + 1..8 and have some type of similar
> functionality. I realize KDE has tiling, it's the reason I decided to
> give it a go, but it's in no way the same or optimal. I appreciate the
> underlying work, but from what I can tell it's lacking the basic
> ability to tile a window on the upper or lower half of the screen with
> the other windows tiled below or above respectively (i.e. column view
> rotated 90 degrees) and the ability to move windows with the keyboard.
> Kwin is also lacking per-desktop layout configurations. The rest is
> simply icing.
> 
> On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 3:13 PM, Martin Gräßlin <mgraesslin@kde.org> wrote:
> > On Sunday 11 March 2012 03:43:17 heathmatlock wrote:
> >> I'm looking into proposing three more projects just in case my
> >> original proposal is declined:
> >> * comment support for Words
> >> * advanced tiling for Kwin, features similar to what you find in
> >> Xmonad, Awesome, etc.
> > 
> > thanks for your interest in doing a gsoc for kwin. Before considering the
> > project I would like to know whether you are a user of an advanced tiling
> > window manager like awesome or i3. If yes I would be very interested to
> > know why you want to have advanced tiling capabilities added to KWin.
> > 
> > Cheers
> > Martin Gräßlin
> > KWin maintainer
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> > Kde-soc@kde.org
> > https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-soc
> 
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> Heath Matlock
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