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Subject: Re: Bugzilla Changes
From: Adrian Sandor <aditsu () yahoo ! com>
Date: 2011-08-14 8:14:57
Message-ID: 1313309697.55036.YahooMailNeo () web160611 ! mail ! bf1 ! yahoo ! com
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Thanks for your reply. The modified voting system will not show whether a bug is \
extremely critical to the userbase, but just whether it matters at all to a larger \
part of the userbase. But you probably still care more about that. Anyway, seeing \
that you are aware of the issues I mentioned, and explaining the reasons behind the \
decision, I guess I can understand it and more or less accept it.
Best regards
Adrian
> ________________________________
> From: Martin Gräßlin <mgraesslin@kde.org>
> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 3:33 PM
>
> On Sunday 14 August 2011 00:17:09 Adrian Sandor wrote:
> > Hi, I filed Bug 280005 and was asked to discuss here.
> > There are at least a couple of problems with this change (setting max number of \
> > votes to 1):
> > - now all votes are equal - so whether I think a bug is EXTREMELY CRITICAL for me \
> > or just "it
> would be kinda nice to fix that", I can only give it one vote; this severely \
> reduces the power of the voting system
> It does not matter if a bug is extremely critical to a person - I have been \
> ignoring the voting system for years. This change allows us to see whether the bug \
> is extremely critical to our userbase - that is what matters. Before we could not \
> see whether 20 persons voted with one vote or 1 person voted with 20 votes. And \
> that is what we had: only 6 bugs have more than 10 votes.
> > - none of the other KDE products (that I am aware of) is doing this, so it is \
> > very inconsistent;
> True, but we discussed this at Desktop Summit and this change might in future be \
> used by more products. Bugzilla has to help us - by just being consistent with \
> rest of bugzilla we are not helped.
> > in particular, the "most hated bugs" list now looks as though there are no \
> > serious kwin bugs at
> all
> Seriously: I don't care. Looking at the list we don't have any serious bugs at all. \
> The bug with most votes is unfixable and we have a valid workaround and changed \
> the default in 4.7 so that the bug is not shown. Following on second and third \
> place we have the bogus "KWin is slow" with useless information.
> > So overall I am quite disappointed about this change.
> I'm sorry, but we need bugzilla to be useful for us. Before the voting was not \
> useful, now it may be useful. If it is still not useful, we will disable it \
> completely, which I wanted to do in the first place.
>
> Cheers
> Martin
>
>
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<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:arial, \
helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><div><span>Thanks for your reply. The modified \
voting system will not show whether a bug is extremely critical to the userbase, but \
just whether it matters at all to a larger part of the userbase. But you probably \
still care more about that.</span></div><div><span>Anyway, seeing that you are aware \
of the issues I mentioned, and explaining the reasons behind the decision, I guess I \
can understand it and more or less accept \
it.</span></div><div><br><span></span></div><div><span>Best \
regards</span></div><div><span>Adrian<br></span></div><div><br><blockquote \
style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: \
5px;"><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"><div \
style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><font \
face="Arial" size="2"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight: \
bold;">From:</span></b> Martin Gräßlin <mgraesslin@kde.org><b><span \
style="font-weight: bold;"></span></b><br><b><span style="font-weight: \
bold;">Sent:</span></b> Sunday, August 14, 2011 3:33 PM<b><span style="font-weight: \
bold;"></span></b><br></font><br>On Sunday 14 August 2011 00:17:09 Adrian Sandor \
wrote:<br>> Hi, I filed Bug 280005 and was asked to discuss here.<br>> There \
are at least a couple of problems with this change (setting max number of votes to \
1):<br>> - now all votes are equal - so whether I think a bug is EXTREMELY \
CRITICAL for me or just "it <br>would be kinda nice to fix that", I can only give it \
one vote; this severely reduces the power of <br>the voting system<br>It does not \
matter if a bug is extremely critical to a person - I have been ignoring the voting \
<br>system for years. This change allows us to see whether the bug is extremely \
critical to our <br>userbase - that is what matters. Before we could not see whether \
20 persons voted with one <br>vote or 1 person voted with 20 votes. And that is what \
we had: only 6 bugs have more than 10 <br>votes.<br>> - none of the other KDE \
products (that I am aware of) is doing this, so it is very inconsistent;<br>True, but \
we discussed this at Desktop Summit and this change might in future be used by more \
<br>products. Bugzilla has to help us - by just being consistent with rest of \
bugzilla we are not <br>helped.<br>> in particular, the "most hated bugs" list now \
looks as though there are no serious kwin bugs at <br>all<br>Seriously: I don't care. \
Looking at the list we don't have any serious bugs at all. The bug with <br>most \
votes is unfixable and we have a valid workaround and changed the default in 4.7 so \
that <br>the bug is not shown. Following on second and third place we have the bogus \
"KWin is slow" <br>with useless information.<br>> So overall I am quite \
disappointed about this change.<br>I'm sorry, but we need bugzilla to be useful for \
us. Before the voting was not useful, now it may <br>be useful. If it is still not \
useful, we will disable it completely, which I wanted to do in the first \
<br>place.<br><br>Cheers<br>Martin<br><br></div></div></blockquote></div></div></body></html>
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