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Subject: Re: KWin effects config & usability
From: "Jos Poortvliet" <jos () mijnkamer ! nl>
Date: 2007-08-27 15:19:07
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On 8/27/07, Rivo Laks <rivolaks@hot.ee> wrote:
>
> Ühel kenal päeval (esmaspäev 27 august 2007) kirjutas Jos Poortvliet:
> > On 8/27/07, Rivo Laks <rivolaks@hot.ee> wrote:
> > > Hi
> > >
> > > I'd like to get your opinion in a few questions regarding KWin effects
> > > and their usability.
> > >
> > > First, the effects config. We now have "Desktop effects" config module
> > > from
> > > where the user can turn on compositing as well as toggle some common
> > > effects
> > > like shadows or improved window management (= Expose-like effect,
> desktop
> > > grid and improved alt-tab).
> > > This is quite complete IMHO, perhaps it could use a "Press ok to
> accept
> > > the
> > > changes, otherwise they'll be reverted in 15 seconds" dialog as when
> > > changing
> > > resolution.
> >
> > Can you explain why you would want that?
>
> Because compositing might not always work correctly, especially with older
> drivers. There was a period for me when starting KWin with TFP compositing
> resulted in a gray screen with no windows visible. I want to make sure
> there's a simple way back in case something like that happens.
OK, yes that makes sense. Only when turning the whole thing on, then, not
after changing each effect, I guess?
>> But we also have the "Window effects" config module that displays a list
> of
> > > all effects and lets the user toggle and configure them. Having both
> > > "Desktop
> > > effects" and "Window effects" is confusing IMHO, so we could either
> > > rename the latter (to what?) or somehow integrate it into desktop
> effects
> > > module (another tab?). What do you think?
> >
> > Yes, this can be improved. The specific settings should be hidden a bit
> > more, and the generic "Desktop Effects" should be the main dialog users
> > see. The ability to choose to enable desktop effects, and then choose
> > 'basic' and 'more' or whatever - wonderful. Then maybe a button
> 'configure
> > effects' or indeed a tab, yes. Maybe first try the tab, greyed out when
> > the effects are off. Hmm. Or a button with the configuration... I can't
> > choose ;-)
>
> Perhaps tab would even be better than a button and yet-another-dialog :-)
Yeah... I guess so ...
> > And in case the shortcuts will go to options pages of individual
> effects,
> > > should there be some kind of notice at the top of the list, e.g. "To
> see
> > > effect shortcuts, click Options for that effect"?
> >
> > Why mention it? Changing the shortcut seems at the right spot at
> 'Options',
> > so just keep it at that...
>
> Because it's also about discovering the shortcuts. It might not be so
> obvious
> that you should go to Options to see which shortcut activates the effect
> (or
> is it?).
Hmmm, I honestly don't know. In the spirit of "lets keep it clean" I vote
for not putting such a note and let the user find it himself, but well - it
might be needed. We can do that later, anyway, right?
Rivo
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On 8/27/07, <b class="gmail_sendername">Rivo Laks</b> <<a \
href="mailto:rivolaks@hot.ee">rivolaks@hot.ee</a>> wrote:<div><span \
class="gmail_quote"></span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px \
solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> Ühel kenal \
päeval (esmaspäev 27 august 2007) kirjutas Jos Poortvliet:<br>> On 8/27/07, Rivo \
Laks <<a href="mailto:rivolaks@hot.ee">rivolaks@hot.ee</a>> wrote:<br>> > \
Hi<br>> ><br>> > I'd like to get your opinion in a few questions \
regarding KWin effects <br>> > and their usability.<br>> ><br>> > \
First, the effects config. We now have "Desktop effects" config \
module<br>> > from<br>> > where the user can turn on compositing as well \
as toggle some common <br>> > effects<br>> > like shadows or improved \
window management (= Expose-like effect, desktop<br>> > grid and improved \
alt-tab).<br>> > This is quite complete IMHO, perhaps it could use a \
"Press ok to accept <br>> > the<br>> > changes, otherwise \
they'll be reverted in 15 seconds" dialog as when<br>> > \
changing<br>> > resolution.<br>><br>> Can you explain why you would want \
that?<br><br>Because compositing might not always work correctly, especially with \
older <br>drivers. There was a period for me when starting KWin with TFP \
compositing<br>resulted in a gray screen with no windows visible. I want to make \
sure<br>there's a simple way back in case something like that happens. \
</blockquote><div><br>OK, yes that makes sense. Only when turning the whole thing on, \
then, not after changing each effect, I guess? <br></div><br><blockquote \
class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt \
0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> >> But we also have the "Window \
effects" config module that displays a list of<br>> > all effects and lets \
the user toggle and configure them. Having both<br>> > "Desktop<br>> \
> effects" and "Window effects" is confusing IMHO, so we could \
either <br>> > rename the latter (to what?) or somehow integrate it into \
desktop effects<br>> > module (another tab?). What do you \
think?<br>><br>> Yes, this can be improved. The specific settings should be \
hidden a bit <br>> more, and the generic "Desktop Effects" should be the \
main dialog users<br>> see. The ability to choose to enable desktop effects, and \
then choose<br>> 'basic' and 'more' or whatever - wonderful. Then \
maybe a button 'configure <br>> effects' or indeed a tab, yes. Maybe first \
try the tab, greyed out when<br>> the effects are off. Hmm. Or a button \
with the configuration... I can't<br>> choose ;-)<br><br>Perhaps tab would \
even be better than a button and yet-another-dialog :-) </blockquote><div><br>Yeah... \
I guess so ... <br></div><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px \
solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">> > \
And in case the shortcuts will go to options pages of individual effects, <br>> \
> should there be some kind of notice at the top of the list, e.g. "To \
see<br>> > effect shortcuts, click Options for that \
effect"?<br>><br>> Why mention it? Changing the shortcut seems at the \
right spot at 'Options', <br>> so just keep it at that...<br><br>Because \
it's also about discovering the shortcuts. It might not be so obvious<br>that you \
should go to Options to see which shortcut activates the effect (or<br>is \
it?).</blockquote> <div><br>Hmmm, I honestly don't know. In the spirit of \
"lets keep it clean" I vote for not putting such a note and let the user \
find it himself, but well - it might be needed. We can do that later, anyway, right? \
<br></div><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, \
204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: \
1ex;">Rivo<br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Kwin mailing \
list <br><a href="mailto:Kwin@kde.org">Kwin@kde.org</a><br><a \
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