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Subject:    Re: [Kwin] Re: kwin - Window placement
From:       Shane Wright <me () shanewright ! co ! uk>
Date:       2002-05-19 2:59:52
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> > You and Shane are the only two users that
> > complained in 5 years of existance of the smart placement.
> That's maybe true, but

There was a bug report about it in May 2001, the number is #25309, but thats 
the only one.  But also, I was just looking at the last story on dot.kde.org 
and found two more people who want placements...

http://dot.kde.org/1021414904/1021612838/

by Tony Caduto:

" If you open a new message in Kmail it should be centered on the screen, not 
in the lower or upper corners. You then have to move it to the midddle to 
work with it."

http://dot.kde.org/1021414904/1021612838/1021625619/1021669011/

by tuxraver:

"In KDE 2.2.2 (I''m using Debian) you have only Smart, Cascade and Random at 
disposition, so no centered window placement is possible (something I would 
like to use as I am also disturbed by having windows popping up un-centered). 
Question: has centered windows placement been introduced in KDE 3.0 (haven't 
found an indication in the changelog)?"


There's also a question about it here from an Aaron J Seigo

http://www.geocrawler.com/archives/3/306/2002/3/50/7990706/

"Is it currently possible to tell KDE to place windows centered inside a 
display? I don't care for the seemingly random "smart" placement of windows. 
I never know where to look when something is opening up :)"


> - you don't know how many % of users want some feature unless you ask them.
> - even if some users don't request/want some feature, they may like it when
> they try it out.
> - 2 users actively complaining on mailing-lists is actually quite a lot.

I think more people should come to the lists and say what they want - but if 2 
minutes on the dot and 10 seconds on google can pull up three more who have 
voiced it then its obvious there are more.

> > I don't want to be rude, but any placement policy that stacks windows at
> > the same position on the desktop is brain-dead

I would agree that some intelligence is nice - e.g . I recently added some 
code to my centered placement patch to avoid completely obscuring identically 
sized windows directly underneath (think opening 2 or more konqs in 
succession..)

> > Problem is, again as a maintainer of free software project, I have
> > another important duty: to make sure that the application doesn't become
> > a collection of functionalities useful each only for a minimum number of
> > users.

My only counter to that is that adding a couple of policies adds no UI 
clutter; its only taking an existing combobox from 3 options to 5.

> > Two notes:
> > 1) random placement is there by tradition.
> > the father of all window
> > managers (twm) offered it, I think. I would really be very surprised to
> > find out there is even 1% of kwin users that choose this policy.

Well, if it's ok because other WMs have it, Sawfish has a centered placement 
(and stagger, and top-left and off-center).  Others probably do too but its 
4am here and I can't be arsed ;).

Cheers,

- -- 
Shane
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