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Subject: Re: Kstars 3.6.0 MacOS find Object crash
From: Robert Lancaster <rlancaste () gmail ! com>
Date: 2022-08-24 21:36:53
Message-ID: BFE1B864-1E70-4A61-8CBE-27DCED8E0E03 () gmail ! com
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Hi there,
At the moment I am trying to diagnose a couple of issues in 3.6.0 for MacOS. There \
were a couple of problems with the 3.6.0 dmg. Sorry about that, I was hoping to have \
a testing or beta period and to diagnose and solve any problems before we posted it \
as a release. Unfortunately, the release happened just before I went on a two week \
vacation and I was away from my computer on vacation so I couldn't investigate any \
issues at that time. (Plus I needed to actually have a vacation) I started working \
on them when I could after I got back. Now I am back at work, but I do still have \
some time in the evenings to try to fix some issues. The 3.6.0 on stellar mate or \
linux in general should hopefully be good I think. The Find Object crash seems to \
affect more than just MacOS, but that is where it first came up. I investigated that \
and hopefully found a temporary solution to that. I am currently trying to \
investigate the crash on startup now. I think I tracked the issue down to some \
problem with the asteroids.dat file in the data directory. I'm not sure if it is an \
actual issue with the file or with kstars reading the file yet, but I'm working on \
it. Sorry about the delays. I am hoping to resolve this fairly soon.
Thanks,
Rob
> On Aug 24, 2022, at 11:50 AM, Steven Gross <steven.gross@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Jasem and Robert
> I usually use Ekos by hot spot connection to my RPI running Stellarmate.
> Of note, I have NOT updated the KStars version on my Stellarmate because I was \
> concerned when I say the email about the problem with 3.6.0 on the Mac). I am still \
> running 3.5.8 on my Stellarmate on RPI. I had the problem reported of KStars 3.6.0 \
> crashing on my Mac when trying to GOTO when running the first DMG download of 3.6.0 \
> with using the Stellarmate RPI hot spot connection. I was able to still launch \
> 3.5.9 since I had not deleted it when installing 3.6.0. I am able to use GOTO and \
> 3.5.9 seems to function OK. I then deleted 3.6.0 using my installer which then \
> removed all my presets. I then installed the newer DMG you has indicated was \
> uploaded. I then tried to open it but it crashed with an error message.
> I then uninstalled it again and went back to 3.6.0 from the previous DMG and \
> installed it. It opened but I had the crash when GOTO.
> This morning, I deleted the 3.6.0 by throwing in the trash and emptying the trash.
> I am still able to load 3.5.9 after this.
> I then re-downloaded the newer 3.6.0 DMG and opened the DMG and copied 3.6.0 into \
> my Applications folder as I normally would using the 3.6.0 in the DMG and coping it \
> into the alias of the Applications folder that is in mounted DMG. I then tried to \
> run 3.6.0 but it would not open! The ap started to open got got stuck. No error \
> message. I looked in Force Quit and it said that KStars was not responding so I \
> forced quit it. I logged out of my ‘AstrUser' login and into my regular daily \
> login to do some other work. I then tried to open KStars 3.6.0 from my other user \
> logging just for fun and it opened fine!!! What the heck is going on???
> Fortunately, I can still use 3.5.9.
> (PS: the Mac is getting more weird every day!).
> I also have KStars on a Linux machine and loads and connects fine but I have not \
> had a chance to use it). PLEASE HELP!!!
> (Perhaps I should just stick with either Windows or Linux…..)
>
> Steven A. Gross, MD
>
>
> On August 21, 2022 at 12:36:48 PM, Robert Lancaster (rlancaste@gmail.com \
> <mailto:rlancaste@gmail.com>) wrote:
> > Ok I just uploaded a new dmg in place of the 3.6.0 one from before. Hopefully it \
> > fixes the issue. Please check.
> > > On Aug 21, 2022, at 2:40 AM, Jasem Mutlaq <mutlaqja@ikarustech.com \
> > > <mailto:mutlaqja@ikarustech.com>> wrote:
> > > Robert's bandaid fix was merged until the concurrency issue is resolved. Can \
> > > anyone compile on MacOS and verify?
> > > --
> > > Best Regards,
> > > Jasem Mutlaq
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sun, Aug 21, 2022 at 5:32 AM Peter Amerl <pvamerl@gmail.com \
> > > <mailto:pvamerl@gmail.com>> wrote: Hi All,
> > > Just in case it is important, last night I tried out starting the executable \
> > > from the command line, with the same Application crash whenever I tried the \
> > > find operation, either by Apple-f or by selecting it through the menu system \
> > > with the mouse. … sorry if someone already knows this to be the case … just \
> > > trying to avoid a red herring due to lack of information.
> > > Regards,
> > > Peter
> > >
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> > > > 1. Re: Kstars 3.6.0 MacOS find Object crash (Robert Lancaster)
> > > >
> > > >
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> > > >
> > > > Message: 1
> > > > Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2022 01:01:35 -0400
> > > > From: Robert Lancaster <rlancaste@gmail.com <mailto:rlancaste@gmail.com>>
> > > > To: Jasem Mutlaq <mutlaqja@ikarustech.com <mailto:mutlaqja@ikarustech.com>>
> > > > Cc: KStars Development Mailing List <kstars-devel@kde.org \
> > > > <mailto:kstars-devel@kde.org>>
> > > > Subject: Re: Kstars 3.6.0 MacOS find Object crash
> > > > Message-ID: <5B5B9058-0EFD-4F8F-BE25-B329CC3ED597@gmail.com \
> > > > <mailto:5B5B9058-0EFD-4F8F-BE25-B329CC3ED597@gmail.com>>
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> > > >
> > > > Hey guys,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Ok, I dug into this and ran a bunch of tests. I don't know why this crash \
> > > > only occurs when running by double clicking the app and not by running from \
> > > > Terminal or QT Creator. It is very inconvenient to have an error that won't \
> > > > happen when you run the code in a debugger and then will happen every time if \
> > > > you don't! I had thought that maybe it was something with MacOS sandboxing \
> > > > or gatekeeper, or maybe it was something with packaging, or maybe it was \
> > > > something with environment variables. But as far as I could tell through my \
> > > > tests it is none of those. I printed the environments in a QMessagebox and \
> > > > they were slightly different, but not in any way that mattered I think. The \
> > > > packaging was not the culprit because it happened in the app both before and \
> > > > after packaging and I was running it on the same machine, so it should not be \
> > > > the issue. I haven't fully ruled out something with MacOS, but I don't \
> > > > currently think that is what it is since there was no error message or \
> > > > warning that pops up about the app being blocked from doing something it \
> > > > wasn't supposed to.
> > > > So then I proceeded to experiment with the changes in that one Commit. I \
> > > > first tried narrowing down where the problem was by copying and pasting code \
> > > > from before or after the commit and testing. That let me rule out a lot of \
> > > > the commit. Then I added some Qmessagebox debug dialogs to see exactly when \
> > > > it would fail. As of now, it seems that the crash is entirely based on what \
> > > > happens when constructing the Find Dialog in find dialog.cpp. Specifically, \
> > > > it happens here:
> > > > m_asyncDBManager(new CatalogsDB::AsyncDBManager(CatalogsDB::dso_db_path()))
> > > >
> > > > On line 65 when it constructs the new Asynch DB Manager. I did try changing \
> > > > the couple of lines of code in find dialog.cpp and find dialog.h so that it \
> > > > would use the old manager code from before this commit to verify if the new \
> > > > AsynchDBManger was really the culprit. And yes, it worked fine with the old \
> > > > code. So then I changed it back. Then I played around with the constructor \
> > > > for that class. Very strangely, I found that when I put my test QMessageBox \
> > > > message in just after line 772:
> > > > m_thread->start();
> > > >
> > > > It didn't crash when it printed my debug QMessagebox but it did crash when I \
> > > > didn't have it there! That got me thinking that maybe for some reason, this \
> > > > object needed a little more time in its constructor for some reason, even \
> > > > though there are no more commands after that. So I just added a sleep \
> > > > command to see if that would serve the same purpose and it worked!
> > > > QThread::msleep(100);
> > > >
> > > > So I would really like to know why this works. Here is a commit with a band \
> > > > aid for you guys to take a look at:
> > > > https://invent.kde.org/education/kstars/-/merge_requests/706 \
> > > > <https://invent.kde.org/education/kstars/-/merge_requests/706> \
> > > > <https://invent.kde.org/education/kstars/-/merge_requests/706 \
> > > > <https://invent.kde.org/education/kstars/-/merge_requests/706>>
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > Rob
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > On Aug 17, 2022, at 2:06 AM, Jasem Mutlaq <mutlaqja@ikarustech.com \
> > > > > <mailto:mutlaqja@ikarustech.com>> wrote:
> > > > > I received one report for Find Dialog crash as well on Raspberry Pi, so \
> > > > > perhaps it's not unique to MacOS?
> > > > > However, I couldn't reproduce on Raspberry PI, Widows, or any x86-64 \
> > > > > machine.
> > > > > --
> > > > > Best Regards,
> > > > > Jasem Mutlaq
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wed, Aug 17, 2022 at 8:52 AM Robert Lancaster <rlancaste@gmail.com \
> > > > > <mailto:rlancaste@gmail.com> <mailto:rlancaste@gmail.com \
> > > > > <mailto:rlancaste@gmail.com>>> wrote: Ok I did some more testing.
> > > > >
> > > > > This commit is when the Find Dialog broke when running KStars on MacOS by \
> > > > > double clicking the app:
> > > > > https://github.com/KDE/kstars/commit/5a2ba9f8e8b275f44b7593a50ca66f09cb2f985d#diff-c2a2ab763404c18a2daee3feb8b31f2ec278034e7cc720870c4e5158081e0ee9 \
> > > > > <https://github.com/KDE/kstars/commit/5a2ba9f8e8b275f44b7593a50ca66f09cb2f98 \
> > > > > 5d#diff-c2a2ab763404c18a2daee3feb8b31f2ec278034e7cc720870c4e5158081e0ee9><ht \
> > > > > tps://github.com/KDE/kstars/commit/5a2ba9f8e8b275f44b7593a50ca66f09cb2f985d#diff-c2a2ab763404c18a2daee3feb8b31f2ec278034e7cc720870c4e5158081e0ee9 \
> > > > > <https://github.com/KDE/kstars/commit/5a2ba9f8e8b275f44b7593a50ca66f09cb2f985d#diff-c2a2ab763404c18a2daee3feb8b31f2ec278034e7cc720870c4e5158081e0ee9>>
> > > > >
> > > > > I think that is the one you were hoping was not the one. I still don't \
> > > > > know why it broke it though. Every time I run it from terminal or qt \
> > > > > creator there is no problem. It is just when running it by double clicking \
> > > > > that is the problem.
> > > > > Note that I did test playing with the environment variables in qt creator \
> > > > > and that seemed to have no effect. And it also didn't seem to matter \
> > > > > whether kstars was packaged up or not, so it doesn't seem to be a packaging \
> > > > > issue.
> > > > > > > On Aug 16, 2022, at 2:11 PM, Akarsh Simha <akarshsimha@gmail.com \
> > > > > > > <mailto:akarshsimha@gmail.com> <mailto:akarshsimha@gmail.com \
> > > > > > > <mailto:akarshsimha@gmail.com>>> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If I am to blame for this, the parallelism introduced in the asynchronous \
> > > > > > find dialog is my suspect, rather than the comet regex (which was \
> > > > > > actually Hy and not me). The regex seems unlikely to cause the erratic \
> > > > > > behavior Robert is observing where it runs fine under a debugger.
> > > > > > But if it works fine when running KStars from a command line, that \
> > > > > > probably exonerates me and Hy, and is likely an environment issue like \
> > > > > > Robert points out!
> > > > > > Regards
> > > > > > Akarsh
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 16, 2022 at 07:28 Robert Lancaster <rlancaste@gmail.com \
> > > > > > > <mailto:rlancaste@gmail.com> <mailto:rlancaste@gmail.com \
> > > > > > > <mailto:rlancaste@gmail.com>>> wrote:
> > > > > > Hey guys,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I just got back from my two week trip to the Southwest. Yesterday I \
> > > > > > resolved the issue with building a dmg with my script, so now I can build \
> > > > > > DMGs that will work with older Macs and have all the features we want in \
> > > > > > the dmg.
> > > > > > Next we can look into this Find Dialog bug. I did some experiments today \
> > > > > > and I found that if I run kstars from the command line or in a debugger, \
> > > > > > the find dialog works fine, but when running the app by double clicking \
> > > > > > it crashes when you first access the find dialog. This seems to me to \
> > > > > > indicate an environment issue, like maybe an issue with environment \
> > > > > > variables or maybe a link to a library that isn't properly in the app. I \
> > > > > > will check further.
> > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Rob
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Aug 13, 2022, at 6:09 AM, John Evans <john.e.evans.email@gmail.com \
> > > > > > > <mailto:john.e.evans.email@gmail.com> \
> > > > > > > <mailto:john.e.evans.email@gmail.com \
> > > > > > > <mailto:john.e.evans.email@gmail.com>>> wrote:
> > > > > > > I have the same problem with 3.6.0. Crashes everytime the find object \
> > > > > > > dialog is invoked (button, keyboard, etc.)
> > > > > > > Works great when I run it in debug in Qt though.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Workaround is to use the skymap and click on the object you want. In \
> > > > > > > the scheduler enter some text in the object field (doesn't matter what) \
> > > > > > > and hit the + to use sky coordinates from the map.
> > > > > > > On Sat, 13 Aug 2022 at 10:05, Akarsh Simha <akarshsimha@gmail.com \
> > > > > > > <mailto:akarshsimha@gmail.com> <mailto:akarshsimha@gmail.com \
> > > > > > > <mailto:akarshsimha@gmail.com>>> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Sat, Aug 13, 2022 at 01:27 Peter Amerl <pvamerl@gmail.com \
> > > > > > > <mailto:pvamerl@gmail.com> <mailto:pvamerl@gmail.com \
> > > > > > > <mailto:pvamerl@gmail.com>>> wrote: Hi All,
> > > > > > > Has anyone else experienced an immediate crash when searching for \
> > > > > > > objects on a Mac using the Apple-f key combination? I can confirm that \
> > > > > > > it has worked in the past without a crash. Neither Ctrl-f, nor \
> > > > > > > selecting it from the menu appears to work for me at this time. The \
> > > > > > > Crash trace is appended in the zip if anyone wants to have a look.
> > > > > > > Hi Peter
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > When you say it worked in the past, could you provide the exact version \
> > > > > > > / git commit, and also your current version / git commit that has the \
> > > > > > > bug? I made several changes to the Find Dialog in the most recent \
> > > > > > > version, notably performing asynchronous database queries through \
> > > > > > > another thread. It never crashed on my Linux system. Also curious if \
> > > > > > > someone else can reproduce it on MacOS or if it is unique to your \
> > > > > > > system.
> > > > > > > Regards
> > > > > > > Akarsh
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > > > Peter
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
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charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; \
line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Hi there,<div class=""><br \
class=""></div><div class="">At the moment I am trying to diagnose a couple of issues \
in 3.6.0 for MacOS. There were a couple of problems with the 3.6.0 dmg. \
Sorry about that, I was hoping to have a testing or beta period and to diagnose \
and solve any problems before we posted it as a release. Unfortunately, the \
release happened just before I went on a two week vacation and I was away from my \
computer on vacation so I couldn't investigate any issues at that time. (Plus I \
needed to actually have a vacation) I started working on them when I could \
after I got back. Now I am back at work, but I do still have some time in the \
evenings to try to fix some issues. The 3.6.0 on stellar mate or linux in \
general should hopefully be good I think. The Find Object crash seems to affect \
more than just MacOS, but that is where it first came up. I investigated that \
and hopefully found a temporary solution to that. I am currently trying to \
investigate the crash on startup now. I think I tracked the issue down to some \
problem with the asteroids.dat file in the data directory. I'm not sure if it \
is an actual issue with the file or with kstars reading the file yet, but I'm working \
on it. Sorry about the delays. I am hoping to resolve this fairly \
soon.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Thanks,</div><div \
class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Rob<br class=""><div><br \
class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Aug 24, 2022, at 11:50 AM, \
Steven Gross <<a href="mailto:steven.gross@tampabay.rr.com" \
class="">steven.gross@tampabay.rr.com</a>> wrote:</div><br \
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class="">Hi Jasem and Robert</div><div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: \
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-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class="">I usually use Ekos \
by hot spot connection to my RPI running Stellarmate.</div><div style="caret-color: \
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start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: \
0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class="">Of note, I have \
NOT updated the KStars version on my Stellarmate because I was concerned when I say \
the email about the problem with 3.6.0 on the Mac). I am still running 3.5.8 on my \
Stellarmate on RPI.</div><div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: \
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-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class="">I had the problem \
reported of KStars 3.6.0 crashing on my Mac when trying to GOTO when running the \
first DMG download of 3.6.0 with using the Stellarmate RPI hot spot \
connection. </div><div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica, \
Arial; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: \
400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: \
none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; \
text-decoration: none;" class="">I was able to still launch 3.5.9 since I had not \
deleted it when installing 3.6.0. </div><div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); \
font-family: Helvetica, Arial; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; \
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start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: \
0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class="">I am able to \
use GOTO and 3.5.9 seems to function OK.</div><div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); \
font-family: Helvetica, Arial; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; \
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: \
start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: \
0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class="">I then deleted \
3.6.0 using my installer which then removed all my presets.</div><div \
style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica, Arial; font-size: 13px; \
font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: \
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normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" \
class="">I then installed the newer DMG you has indicated was uploaded.</div><div \
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class="">I then tried to open it but it crashed with an error message.</div><div \
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normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" \
class="">I then uninstalled it again and went back to 3.6.0 from the previous DMG and \
installed it.</div><div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica, \
Arial; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: \
400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: \
none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; \
text-decoration: none;" class="">It opened but I had the crash when GOTO.</div><div \
style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica, Arial; font-size: 13px; \
font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: \
normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: \
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" \
class="">This morning, I deleted the 3.6.0 by throwing in the trash and emptying the \
trash.</div><div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica, Arial; \
font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; \
letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; \
white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; \
text-decoration: none;" class="">I am still able to load 3.5.9 after this.</div><div \
style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica, Arial; font-size: 13px; \
font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: \
normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: \
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" \
class="">I then re-downloaded the newer 3.6.0 DMG and opened the DMG and copied 3.6.0 \
into my Applications folder as I normally would using the 3.6.0 in the DMG and coping \
it into the alias of the Applications folder that is in mounted DMG.</div><div \
style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica, Arial; font-size: 13px; \
font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: \
normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: \
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" \
class="">I then tried to run 3.6.0 but it would not open! The ap started to open got \
got stuck. No error message.</div><div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: \
Helvetica, Arial; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; \
font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; \
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; \
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class="">I looked in Force \
Quit and it said that KStars was not responding so I forced quit it.</div><div \
style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica, Arial; font-size: 13px; \
font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: \
normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: \
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" \
class="">I logged out of my ‘AstrUser' login and into my regular daily login to do \
some other work.</div><div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica, \
Arial; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: \
400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: \
none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; \
text-decoration: none;" class="">I then tried to open KStars 3.6.0 from my other user \
logging just for fun and it opened fine!!!</div><div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, \
0); font-family: Helvetica, Arial; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; \
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: \
start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: \
0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class="">What the heck \
is going on???</div><div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica, \
Arial; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: \
400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: \
none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; \
text-decoration: none;" class="">Fortunately, I can still use 3.5.9.</div><div \
style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica, Arial; font-size: 13px; \
font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: \
normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: \
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" \
class="">(PS: the Mac is getting more weird every day!).</div><div \
style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica, Arial; font-size: 13px; \
font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: \
normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: \
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" \
class="">I also have KStars on a Linux machine and loads and connects fine but I have \
not had a chance to use it). </div><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); \
font-family: Helvetica, Arial; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; \
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: \
start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: \
0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: \
inline !important;" class="">PLEASE HELP!!!</span><div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, \
0); font-family: Helvetica, Arial; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; \
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: \
start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: \
0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class="">(Perhaps I \
should just stick with either Windows or Linux…..)</div><div style="caret-color: \
rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica, Arial; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; \
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: \
start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: \
0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><br \
class=""><div class="gmail_signature">Steven A. Gross, MD<div class=""><img \
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