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Subject: Re: Problems with KStars 3.5.7 on macOS
From: Hy Murveit <murveit () gmail ! com>
Date: 2022-03-06 2:33:27
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Bill,
Thanks for your feedback. We do appreciate it.
Are you interested in helping us improve KStars? We welcome volunteers,
especially those as accomplished as you. There are only a handful of us
part-time contributors.
Hy
On Sat, Mar 5, 2022 at 4:45 PM Bill Tschumy <bill@otherwise.com> wrote:
> Rob,
>
> Thanks for responding. I hated being critical because I'm sure many
> people have worked really hard on this. But it just seems like many things
> aren't working as I'd expect. The extra downloads are one thing. I'm also
> a bit surprised by the identification of stars. I will hover over a star
> and I get "star: 4.8m". I have to bring up the Info pane to see what star
> it is. Now maybe I can understand this with stars from the USNO catalog
> that just have a long designation. But these are Hipparcos and HD stars.
> Why aren't they named in the hover display and in the status bar (which
> just says "star").
>
> Also not sure how you are supposed to select things like open clusters to
> get more information. Now sometimes I don't even get the dotted ring
> around the cluster and I think KStars has forgotten that I've download the
> NGC info. Even if there is the dotted ring, clicking in it doesn't seem to
> select the cluster. How do I bring up info on this?
>
> I'm just wondering if something is really broken on my installation
> (although I've installed on two machines with the same result).
>
> Just so you know, I'm one of the primary authors of SkySafari so much of
> my expectations are the result of that and other planetarium programs I've
> used.
>
> Bill
>
> On Mar 5, 2022, at 4:07 PM, Robert Lancaster <rlancaste@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Bill,
>
> I can't say I am a big fan of the "Download New Stuff" or "Get New Stuff"
> system. This isn't actually a part of KStars, it is a KDE package that
> KStars and other KDE apps use. It isn't a problem that is just on MacOS,
> it is an overall problem with that system in my opinion. But KStars
> developers don't have control over that code. I don't like the interface
> myself.
>
> As for the help button, I don't know much about that one, I haven't used
> it before. I usually spend my time working on Plate Solving algorithms and
> making the astrophotography parts of the program better. But I also was
> the one who first ported it to work on a Mac and I maintain the Mac
> version. But even though I don't know about this feature, I will
> definitely look into it for you, that could mean something is missing in
> the Mac bundle or there might be a bug. Let me see.
>
> I wouldn't say Kstars is flaky really, it is highly sophisticated fully
> automated astrophotography suite, that has allowed me and lots of other
> people to have many successful nights of imaging under the stars. But
> sometimes there are bugs and we need people to test and find the bugs so
> that we can work on making it better. We are all volunteer developers who
> contribute so that everyone can get a free and great program for taking
> astrophotos. So please let us know and we can look into issues like this.
> We especially need more people to test the MacOS versions.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Rob
>
> On Mar 5, 2022, at 5:25 PM, Bill Tschumy <bill@otherwise.com> wrote:
>
> I seem to be having numerous problems with KStars 3.5.7 on Mac. I've
> tried it on the latest macOS (12.2.1) as well as one two years old
> (10.15.7).
>
> I've tried downloading the "Extra Data", both from the Startup Wizard and
> from the Data menu item. I will install something and then later, when I
> go back it says it is uninstalled. Some of the larger downloads will say
> "Installing…" but then al of the sudden say "Install Again". Often if I
> install again it will indicate it is installed.
>
> I have downloaded the USNO stars and initially is said it was installed.
> However, if I go back now it says for me to install them. Yet if I zoom
> in, I do see 14th mag stars so it really is installed.
>
> I have been trying to get the inline thumbnails to install, but they never
> show up in the chart. I did see them at one point while playing around,
> but now they are gone.
>
> Clicking the Help button in the Configure window (shown by choosing
> Preferences…) causes the app to hang.
>
> Things just seem really flakey.
>
> Bill
>
> --
> Bill Tschumy
> Otherwise -- Longmont, CO
> www.otherwise.com
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Bill Tschumy
> Otherwise -- Longmont, CO
> www.otherwise.com
>
>
>
>
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<div dir="ltr">Bill,<div><br></div><div>Thanks for your feedback. We do appreciate \
it.</div><div><br></div><div>Are you interested in helping us improve KStars? We welcome volunteers, \
especially those as accomplished as you. There are only a handful of us part-time \
contributors.</div><div><br></div><div>Hy</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" \
class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Mar 5, 2022 at 4:45 PM Bill Tschumy <<a \
href="mailto:bill@otherwise.com">bill@otherwise.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote \
class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid \
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="overflow-wrap: break-word;">Rob,<div><br></div><div>Thanks \
for responding. I hated being critical because I'm sure many people have worked really hard on this. \
But it just seems like many things aren't working as I'd expect. The extra downloads are one thing. \
I'm also a bit surprised by the identification of stars. I will hover over a star and I get "star: \
4.8m". I have to bring up the Info pane to see what star it is. Now maybe I can understand this with \
stars from the USNO catalog that just have a long designation. But these are Hipparcos and HD stars. \
Why aren't they named in the hover display and in the status bar (which just says \
"star").</div><div><br></div><div>Also not sure how you are supposed to select things like open clusters \
to get more information. Now sometimes I don't even get the dotted ring around the cluster and I think \
KStars has forgotten that I've download the NGC info. Even if there is the dotted ring, clicking in it \
doesn't seem to select the cluster. How do I bring up info on this?</div><div><br></div><div>I'm just \
wondering if something is really broken on my installation (although I've installed on two machines with \
the same result).</div><div><br></div><div>Just so you know, I'm one of the primary authors of SkySafari \
so much of my expectations are the result of that and other planetarium programs I've \
used.</div><div><br></div><div>Bill<br><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Mar 5, 2022, at 4:07 PM, \
Robert Lancaster <<a href="mailto:rlancaste@gmail.com" target="_blank">rlancaste@gmail.com</a>> \
wrote:</div><br><div><div>Hi Bill,<br><br>I can't say I am a big fan of the "Download New Stuff" or "Get \
New Stuff" system. This isn't actually a part of KStars, it is a KDE package that KStars and other KDE \
apps use. It isn't a problem that is just on MacOS, it is an overall problem with that system in my \
opinion. But KStars developers don't have control over that code. I don't like the interface myself. \
<br><br> As for the help button, I don't know much about that one, I haven't used it before. I usually \
spend my time working on Plate Solving algorithms and making the astrophotography parts of the program \
better. But I also was the one who first ported it to work on a Mac and I maintain the Mac version. \
But even though I don't know about this feature, I will definitely look into it for you, that could mean \
something is missing in the Mac bundle or there might be a bug. Let me see.<br><br>I wouldn't say \
Kstars is flaky really, it is highly sophisticated fully automated astrophotography suite, that has \
allowed me and lots of other people to have many successful nights of imaging under the stars. But \
sometimes there are bugs and we need people to test and find the bugs so that we can work on making it \
better. We are all volunteer developers who contribute so that everyone can get a free and great \
program for taking astrophotos. So please let us know and we can look into issues like this. We \
especially need more people to test the MacOS versions.<br><br>Thanks,<br><br>Rob<br><br><blockquote \
type="cite">On Mar 5, 2022, at 5:25 PM, Bill Tschumy <<a href="mailto:bill@otherwise.com" \
target="_blank">bill@otherwise.com</a>> wrote:<br><br>I seem to be having numerous problems with \
KStars 3.5.7 on Mac. I've tried it on the latest macOS (12.2.1) as well as one two years old \
(10.15.7).<br><br>I've tried downloading the "Extra Data", both from the Startup Wizard and from the Data \
menu item. I will install something and then later, when I go back it says it is uninstalled. Some of \
the larger downloads will say "Installing…" but then al of the sudden say "Install Again". Often \
if I install again it will indicate it is installed.<br><br>I have downloaded the USNO stars and \
initially is said it was installed. However, if I go back now it says for me to install them. Yet if \
I zoom in, I do see 14th mag stars so it really is installed.<br><br>I have been trying to get the inline \
thumbnails to install, but they never show up in the chart. I did see them at one point while playing \
around, but now they are gone.<br><br>Clicking the Help button in the Configure window (shown by \
choosing Preferences…) causes the app to hang.<br><br>Things just seem really \
flakey.<br><br>Bill<br><br>-- <br>Bill Tschumy<br>Otherwise -- Longmont, CO<br><a \
href="http://www.otherwise.com" \
target="_blank">www.otherwise.com</a><br><br><br><br></blockquote><br></div></div></blockquote></div><br><div>
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style="color:rgb(0,0,0);letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span \
style="border-collapse:separate;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Helvetica;font-style:normal;font-variant-liga \
tures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:nor \
mal;line-height:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;border-spacing:0px"><div \
style="overflow-wrap: break-word;"><span \
style="border-collapse:separate;border-spacing:0px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;f \
ont-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;fon \
t-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><div \
style="overflow-wrap: break-word;"><div>-- </div><div>Bill Tschumy</div><div>Otherwise -- Longmont, \
CO</div><div><a href="http://www.otherwise.com" \
target="_blank">www.otherwise.com</a></div><div><br></div></div></span></div></span></div></div></div><br>
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