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List:       kopete-devel
Subject:    Re: [kopete-devel] Re: Improving Kopete user interface and usability
From:       Gustavo Barbieri <barbieri () gmail ! com>
Date:       2004-11-09 16:39:20
Message-ID: 9ef20ef304110908392af7fbc0 () mail ! gmail ! com
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On Tue, 9 Nov 2004 16:29:27 +0000, Richard Smith <kde@metafoo.co.uk> wrote:
> On Tuesday 09 November 2004 16:03, Gustavo Barbieri wrote:
> > On Tue, 9 Nov 2004 14:52:40 +0000, Richard Smith <kde@metafoo.co.uk> wrote:
> > > Is this bug #84627?
> >
> > bugs.kde.org say it doesn't exists.
> 
> http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=84627

Weird, It was not working... Ouch, my bad, I was editing the
bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id :(

 
> > > >       * Cut, Copy and Paste: I question these here.
> [...]
> > > I use at least paste. -0.
> >
> > Provide they in a "Edit Toolbar" or something like that, so I can turn
> > it off without customizing my toolbar. Provide it turned on if you
> > like. But IMHO you may provide the 3 icons together better than just
> > paste.
> 
> I don't want to get Microsoft Toolbar Syndrome (1000 toolbars with less than
> four buttons in each). And it sounds like we'll have the default toolbar down
> to 5 or 7 (depending on if you use History) buttons including Cut Copy and
> Paste. That need not be reduced IMO, and users don't get confused by Cut Copy
> and Paste.

Ok, I agree.


> > > >   -  Special groups like "Top Level" should be differentiated from user
> > > >      created groups.
> > >
> > > In the Move / Copy submenus? Differentiated how? I agree in principle.
> > > I think Top-Level should be kept at the top of the menu, with a separator
> > > between it and the other groups. And maybe it should be given an icon
> > > (used in the menus and in the contact list). In fact, I think all the
> > > groups in the Move / Copy submenus should use their own icons.
> >
> > The separator is a good option. Maybe bold or italic too?
> 
> -1 on that. Bold marks the default item in windows (what happens if you
> double-click), and both bold and italic are unused in KDE menus. People would
> be confused, I expect.

So, just the separator.

 
> > About icons, I don't set icons for my groups and no friend of mine
> > does AFAIK... so for us you could leave with no icons. In other words:
> > just display icons for groups you changed it.
> 
> +0.

Otherwise you'll fall in the case of a lot of icons, all the same.

 
> > > [2] If only one contact is in the metacontact, maybe its menu should be
> > > shown here instead. In this case, I'm not sure what to do with Add
> > > Contact.
> >
> > Just put:
> > Add Contact
> > ----
> > contact 1 menu
> > ----
> 
> The contact's menu starts with one of those menu title things. Not sure how
> that'd look if it's not at the top of the menu. Is there a precedent for
> that?

You mean "Start chat", "Send files", ... ? If there's no other
contact, the previous "Actions" submenu will do, so I think just the
other items should go... like:

Authorization>
Set Availability>
User Info

Maybe Change Metacontact.

Now 2 things more:
 1) I just noticed that Jabber protocol uses  "Authorization" and "Set
Availability" submenus, while ICQ doesn't. I like the Jabber way most.

 2) Is it possible/viable to implement a special case in drag & drop:
If you drag a meta contact with just one contact over another meta
contact, do the same as drag and drop the protocol icon, that is, move
the contact. I understand if this is not implemented because it's
inconsistent or because you plan to add another feature like sending
the contact info to the destination, something like "Export Contact"


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