--===============2032150811== Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart1603611.F1CQFihVy9"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --nextPart1603611.F1CQFihVy9 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wednesday, February 2, 2011, Pierre Stirnweiss wrote: > The statement "KOffice is a brand name that has precisely zero "real worl= d" > value" is actually expressing your own point of view show me who would buy it for any significant price due to its value as an=20 office suite brand. this isn't a mere "point of view", it's a cold fact. yo= u=20 can wish it to be otherwise, as a way to justify the large amount of valuab= le=20 energy and time you've thrown into this current fight, but that doesn't cha= nge=20 reality. and yes, i know you have put emotional value into "KOffice" as a name. in p= art=20 it's because you have all fought so much about so many things that you are= =20 clinging so dearly to this name, if even just as a symbol. but what would y= ou=20 do with it once you've got it? feel smugly proud that you won something tha= t=20 nobody else cares about, that has no practical use, and all at the expense = of=20 the health of your community? in exchange for time and energy that you will= =20 never get back? is that a trade you are willing to make? is that a trade yo= u=20 can afford to make? and is this what you envision for Calligra? does it embody the spririt of=20 Calligra as you want it to be? are you actually building Calligra up, or is= =20 this a major distraction to that? iow, what are your priorities? keep in mind that there are opportunities that exist right now for Calligra= =20 which won't last forever. they are slowly slipping into the past while you= =20 spend precious resources on this emotional drama.=20 > Sorry but the emotional > value I give to something is as "real world" as any other's value. a drug addict values his drugs. it doesn't justify the value he puts in the= =20 drugs nor does it make the drugs good for him. people can, and do, misplace= =20 value in things. > is actually what makes me contribute. Negating this personnal emotional > value is to my mind negating one of the fundament of involvment in Free > Software. i'm not negating it. i'm observing that you'd be better off investing that= =20 personal emotional value in something that can offer long term rewards for= =20 you. > Finnally, "Koffice" is a brand which has no real world value: coming from > one of the strongest advocate of "KDE is a name referring to the communit= y, > and not a name reffering to a mere product" sounds odd to me. I am sure y= ou > didn't mean: "Koffice (as in a community) has no real world value". i very much do believe that these communities have immense value. but also = i=20 fear that you are flushing your community down the toilet here. you can't b= e=20 constantly infighting in KOffice and then claim that KOffice has tremendous= =20 sentimental value because it represents a great community. the KOffice=20 community is broken and you aren't fixing it with this. Calligra is an=20 opportunity to not just mend things, but to take things to a whole new leve= l=20 of goodness. ironically, you're acting as if Calligra has very little value. if you true= ly=20 valued it you'd be engaging with full commitment instead of spending resour= ces=20 on this struggle. yes, i know it's because you're emotionally wrapped up in things. so take a= =20 step back, let the overwhelming emotions pass through you and come back to= =20 Calligra with passion and positivity.=20 i guarantee you that you will be better off investing in building Calligra = up=20 rather than fighting over the pieces that fell apart with KOffice. =20 > > You are dragging out an issue for no other > > reason than your own emotional benefit, because nobody other than you > > cares about who gets to be the next KOffice. >=20 > This issue is dragged not for anybody's emotional "benefit" but because of > the emotional weight attached to this. that is the tragedy, isn't it? it isn't to anyone's benefit (emotional or=20 otherwise) yet you all insist on doing it. stop hurting yourselves and thos= e=20 around you; start looking to what it will take to make the future of your=20 projects and communities truly bright. what is more important: this battle or the health of your community a year,= 2=20 years, 5 years from now? > It wastes time, energy, even electricity, I agree. Is it really that bad?= =20 yes, it really is that bad. you are risking the future health of your project. you are wasting energy t= hat=20 could be plowed into making your projects into the best apps in f/oss, inst= ead=20 putting that energy into a hole where you can never get it back. you are=20 chasing people away from your project at a moment when there is/was a good= =20 amount of positivity being built up around it. you are trading things of value for things of pain. =2D-=20 Aaron J. Seigo humru othro a kohnu se GPG Fingerprint: 8B8B 2209 0C6F 7C47 B1EA EE75 D6B7 2EB1 A7F1 DB43 KDE core developer sponsored by Qt Development Frameworks --nextPart1603611.F1CQFihVy9 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.15 (GNU/Linux) iEYEABECAAYFAk1JVvAACgkQ1rcusafx20MsRQCfURDEAuJ9ni7S16tMXJytlxQm rV4An1fSW+UUrUt6hrrjSJd4bt8isVBB =N+/T -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart1603611.F1CQFihVy9-- --===============2032150811== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ koffice-devel mailing list koffice-devel@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/koffice-devel --===============2032150811==--