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List:       koffice-devel
Subject:    Re: KOffice split
From:       Johannes Simon <johannes.simon () gmail ! com>
Date:       2010-10-29 12:09:21
Message-ID: C11AB478-F96E-4823-B863-F4799AD42F87 () gmail ! com
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FYI, KChart will go with group B, as decided by its contributors.

Johannes.

Am 23.10.2010 um 11:16 schrieb Cyrille Berger Skott:

> Dear fellow members of the community,
> As you might be aware, after months of discussions, it has been concluded that the best \
> solution is to split the community. However, the split is going to happen at application \
> level. The maintainer of each application will be asked to consult his fellow developers to \
> decide in which group, A or B, the application will lived. The other group is free to fork \
> the application under a different name. It is also possible for the developers to change the \
> application name and ask that the current name is not used by any of the group. This can be \
> used as an opportunity for a fresh start. Currently, to the best of my knowledge the groups \
> are composed of the following applications: Group A: KWord
> Group B: KPresenter, Krita, Karbon, Kexi
> Since the license give the right for a fork, I can already mention that Group B will come \
> with a fork of KWord, under a name that has yet to be decided. Group A is free to fork any \
> application of Group B under a different name. Maintainers have until Sunday October 31th to \
> decide with which group to go. Applications that have not choosen a group will have to be \
> renamed by each group. The KDE e.V. board will be asked to decide what happen to the KOffice \
> name, the KOffice website, the KOffice mailing list, KOffice.org, KOffice wiki and the \
> KOffice bugzilla product. The recommendation from members of the CWG is to retire the name \
> KOffice altogether, which will allow both side to start on a fresh start and leave the past \
> behind. Then the application maintainers and developers of each group will have one week to \
> find a new name for their suite, and move to another place in the KDE subversion tree and to \
> rename or remove the applications that are in the other group. In the meantime, I am \
> suspending the KOffice release process, meaning that I will release Beta 3, but that the date \
> for the following release is undefined. The reason is that I do not feel confident that the \
> splitting will happen in time before the RC1, and I do not think it is a good idea to ship a \
> RC release that will get different applications than the final release. If the splitting \
> takes more time, I will proceed with one more beta. I also advise each group to ensure that \
> they have a release coordinator. I will urge readers of this letter to:
> 1) refrain discussion around the splitting outside the mailing list, or to do so in private \
> conversation 2) acknowledge, that at this point there is no sense in trying to place the \
> blame anywhere, we just have to accept the fact 3) remain civilised and polite in this \
>                 difficult moment
> -- 
> Cyrille Berger Skott
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> koffice-devel@kde.org
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-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">FYI, KChart will go with \
group B, as decided by its contributors.<div><br></div><div>Johannes.<br><div><br><div><div>Am \
23.10.2010 um 11:16 schrieb Cyrille Berger Skott:</div><br \
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style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: \
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-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div style="font-family: 'DejaVu Sans \
Mono'; font-size: 9pt; font-weight: 400; font-style: normal; "><div style="white-space: \
pre-wrap; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; \
text-indent: 0px; ">Dear fellow members of the community,</div><p style="white-space: pre-wrap; \
margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; text-indent: 0px; \
"></p><div style="white-space: pre-wrap; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; \
margin-right: 0px; text-indent: 0px; ">As you might be aware, after months of discussions, it \
has been concluded that the best solution is to split the community.</div><p \
style="white-space: pre-wrap; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; \
margin-right: 0px; text-indent: 0px; "></p><div style="white-space: pre-wrap; margin-top: 0px; \
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; text-indent: 0px; ">However, the split \
is going to happen at application level. The maintainer of each application will be asked to \
consult his fellow developers to decide in which group, A or B, the application will lived. The \
other group is free to fork the application under a different name. It is also possible for the \
developers to change the application name and ask that the current name is not used by any of \
the group. This can be used as an opportunity for a fresh start.</div><p style="white-space: \
pre-wrap; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; \
text-indent: 0px; "></p><div style="white-space: pre-wrap; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; \
margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; text-indent: 0px; ">Currently, to the best of my knowledge \
the groups are composed of the following applications:</div><p style="white-space: pre-wrap; \
margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; text-indent: 0px; \
"></p><div style="white-space: pre-wrap; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; \
margin-right: 0px; text-indent: 0px; ">Group A: KWord</div><div style="white-space: pre-wrap; \
margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; text-indent: 0px; \
">Group B: KPresenter, Krita, Karbon, Kexi</div><p style="white-space: pre-wrap; margin-top: \
0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; text-indent: 0px; "></p><div \
style="white-space: pre-wrap; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; \
margin-right: 0px; text-indent: 0px; ">Since the license give the right for a fork, I can \
already mention that Group B will come with a fork of KWord, under a name that has yet to be \
decided. Group A is free to fork any application of Group B under a different name.</div><p \
style="white-space: pre-wrap; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; \
margin-right: 0px; text-indent: 0px; "></p><div style="white-space: pre-wrap; margin-top: 0px; \
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; text-indent: 0px; ">Maintainers have \
until Sunday October 31th to decide with which group to go. Applications that have not choosen \
a group will have to be renamed by each group.</div><p style="white-space: pre-wrap; \
margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; text-indent: 0px; \
"></p><div style="white-space: pre-wrap; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; \
margin-right: 0px; text-indent: 0px; ">The KDE e.V. board will be asked to decide what happen \
to the KOffice name, the KOffice website, the KOffice mailing list, <a \
href="http://KOffice.org">KOffice.org</a>, KOffice wiki and the KOffice bugzilla product. The \
recommendation from members of the CWG is to retire the name KOffice altogether, which will \
allow both side to start on a fresh start and leave the past behind. Then the application \
maintainers and developers of each group will have one week to find a new name for their suite, \
and move to another place in the KDE subversion tree and to rename or remove the applications \
that are in the other group.</div><p style="white-space: pre-wrap; margin-top: 0px; \
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; text-indent: 0px; "></p><div \
style="white-space: pre-wrap; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; \
margin-right: 0px; text-indent: 0px; ">In the meantime, I am suspending the KOffice release \
process, meaning that I will release Beta 3, but that the date for the following release is \
undefined. The reason is that I do not feel confident that the splitting will happen in time \
before the RC1, and I do not think it is a good idea to ship a RC release that will get \
different applications than the final release. If the splitting takes more time, I will proceed \
with one more beta. I also advise each group to ensure that they have a release \
coordinator.</div><p style="white-space: pre-wrap; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; \
margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; text-indent: 0px; "></p><div style="white-space: pre-wrap; \
margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; text-indent: 0px; ">I \
will urge readers of this letter to:</div><div style="white-space: pre-wrap; margin-top: 0px; \
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; text-indent: 0px; ">1) refrain \
discussion around the splitting outside the mailing list, or to do so in private \
conversation</div><div style="white-space: pre-wrap; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; \
margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; text-indent: 0px; ">2) acknowledge, that at this point \
there is no sense in trying to place the blame anywhere, we just have to accept the \
fact</div><div style="white-space: pre-wrap; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: \
0px; margin-right: 0px; text-indent: 0px; ">3) remain civilised and polite in this difficult \
moment</div><p style="white-space: pre-wrap; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: \
0px; margin-right: 0px; text-indent: 0px; "></p><div style="white-space: pre-wrap; margin-top: \
0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; text-indent: 0px; ">-- </div><div \
style="white-space: pre-wrap; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; \
margin-right: 0px; text-indent: 0px; ">Cyrille Berger \
Skott</div>_______________________________________________<br>koffice-devel mailing list<br><a \
href="mailto:koffice-devel@kde.org">koffice-devel@kde.org</a><br><a \
href="https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/koffice-devel">https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo \
/koffice-devel</a><br></div></span></blockquote></div><br></div></div></body></html>

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